Natural gas is certainly cleaner than coal or oil, but it still produces CO2 by the armful.Clean coal is perfectly fine.
But green idiots who aren't rational about nat gas or nuclear would stroke out over coal.
So you forgot already?
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Natural gas is certainly cleaner than coal or oil, but it still produces CO2 by the armful.Clean coal is perfectly fine.
But green idiots who aren't rational about nat gas or nuclear would stroke out over coal.
So you forgot already?
Natural gas is certainly cleaner than coal or oil, but it still produces CO2 by the armful.
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I've had a change of heart.You already forgot our previous discussion?
It produces hydrogen without producing any CO2. That is the desirable point. Do you think there's no waste in the production of the gasoline that goes in your car?There has been a development in the past few months of a solar PV panel that will directly electrolyze water, turning it into hydrogen and oxygen.; all with sunshine.
Right. With efficiency around 30%. And then you have to store the hydrogen.
Then you have to get it to the fuel cell. Efficiency maybe 60%.
So you've turned 100 kilowatts of solar output into maybe 18 kilowatts of hydrogen output.
How many should we order?
I've had a change of heart.
It produces hydrogen without producing any CO2. That is the desirable point. Do you think there's no waste in the production of the gasoline that goes in your car?
So what. The fuel is free and endless.It produces hydrogen without producing any CO2.
Right.
About 18% of the electricity generated by the panel ends up
as the output of the hydrogen fuel cell.
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If we believe the ^ above green numbers, that would make hydrogen 30-44 cents/kwh.
Is price no object in AOC/Crick economics? Is that desirable?
Do you think there's no waste in the production of the gasoline that goes in your car?
Do you think it approaches the 82% loss for solar hydrogen?
So what. The fuel is free and endless.
And buying $1,000,000 worth of fossil fueled equipment isn't "like" buying more, it IS buying more because you will be paying for fuel till it gives up the ghost.Buying $1,000,000 worth of equipment to get that free fuel is just like buying $5,000,000 worth.
Let me know when your grandchildren break even on your investment.
And buying $1,000,000 worth of fossil fueled equipment isn't "like" buying more, it IS buying more because you will be paying for fuel till it gives up the ghost.
Florida, under FP&L, is chock-a-block with solarPV fields but I have never once had my power so much as flicker due to them only working in daylight. Is that something YOU suffer from? Can you identify where all these people are going without power because their utilities are relying on solarPV working on moon and star light?Reliable power, still better than unreliable power.
Still weak on economics I see.
Florida, under FP&L, is chock-a-block with solarPV fields but I have never once had my power so much as flicker due to them only working in daylight. Is that something YOU suffer from? Can you identify where all these people are going without power because their utilities are relying on solarPV working on moon and star light?
FP&L has dramatically cut their emissions with all those solarPV fields and the modest increase my rates have undergone is due almost entirely to increases in the cost of fossil fuels.If you keep enough extra power plants on standby, you can do a lot of expensive, stupid green stuff.
Of course, that requires natural gas.
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Green hydrogen
Wrong.
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