The US could Save $5.6B a year if it Switched from Coal to Solar – study

[Toddsterpatriot]

I just threw that in there gratuitously. I wouldn't say it follows directly, but it's a common enough topic in such discussions.

How Hot Do Solar Panels Get And How Does It Affect My System?

The hotter solar panels get, the less efficiently they generate energy, but they can still generate enough power to run your home.

www.solarreviews.com

IIRC, NASA was initially interested because neighbors had actually complained of excess heat drifting over from some solar farms. Unsurprisingly, the panels being dark do get hot. E.g., a black roof tends to get hot while a whitish one remains cool.

Don't tell ding.
He'll explain that hot solar panels will trigger a new glacial cycle.

 

[ReinyDays]

Just a quick update ... the original solar panels the hippies were using were designed to produce heat ... hot water specifically ... and not electricity ...

Just a historical footnote ...

 

[Grumblenuts]

Just a quick update ... the original solar panels the hippies were using were designed to produce heat ... hot water specifically ... and not electricity ...

Just a historical footnote ...

I'm sure any fossilized hippies who may have survived will be pleased to learn that solar hot water heaters are still being designed and that the technology has advanced tremendously since they were just hippies.

Evacuated Tube Collector for Solar Hot Water System

Alternative Energy Tutorial about using an Evacuated Tube Collector to increase the temperature and produce solar hot water and home solar heating

www.alternative-energy-tutorials.com

 

[ReinyDays]

I'm sure any fossilized hippies who may have survived will be pleased to learn that solar hot water heaters are still being designed and that the technology has advanced tremendously since they were just hippies.

Evacuated Tube Collector for Solar Hot Water System

Alternative Energy Tutorial about using an Evacuated Tube Collector to increase the temperature and produce solar hot water and home solar heating

www.alternative-energy-tutorials.com

Hippies also has solar-power clothes dryers ... peanut butter and jelly sandwich powered bicycles ... acid powered imaginations ...

How has the technology of putting a pan of water out in the sun been advancing? ... hippies were all about passive designs, blending in with nature rather than trying to control nature ... bees are easy to keep and produce candle wax ... instead of mining, refining, manufacturing, shipping, stocking, inventorying and all else to putting in an electric light ...

The sad truth is we aren't using renewables to replace fossil fuels ... we're just using more energy ... conservation is the opposite of technology ...

 

[ding]

Man loves nature so much he built civilization to protect himself from it.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Hippies also has solar-power clothes dryers ... peanut butter and jelly sandwich powered bicycles ... acid powered imaginations ...

How has the technology of putting a pan of water out in the sun been advancing? ... hippies were all about passive designs, blending in with nature rather than trying to control nature ... bees are easy to keep and produce candle wax ... instead of mining, refining, manufacturing, shipping, stocking, inventorying and all else to putting in an electric light ...

The sad truth is we aren't using renewables to replace fossil fuels ... we're just using more energy ... conservation is the opposite of technology ...

As Al Gore would say, "Oh, I agreeEEE."

However, "Duda Solar 180 Liter Standard Passive Water Heater"
Like it or not, the "standard" is now evacuated tubes.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Man loves nature so much he built civilization to protect himself from it.

Civilization concentrates power, extending human control over the rest of nature, including over other human beings.[13]

Civilization, as its etymology (see below) suggests, is a concept originally associated with towns and cities. The earliest emergence of civilizations is generally connected with the final stages of the Neolithic Revolution in West Asia, culminating in the relatively rapid process of urban revolution and state-formation, a political development associated with the appearance of a governing elite.

Same as organized religion.

 

[ReinyDays]

Man loves nature so much he built civilization to protect himself from it.

You must not know any hippies if you think they're men ... well, what a Texan would consider men ... do you wear a kotex pad en miserationem when your wife is seeing her flowers? ... didn't think so ...

 

[jc456]

Hey, anyone say how it’s cheaper yet?

 

[Toro]

It's going to cost us $5.6T because this transition has not been properly thought out ...

 

[elektra]

I'm sure any fossilized hippies who may have survived will be pleased to learn that solar hot water heaters are still being designed and that the technology has advanced tremendously since they were just hippies.

Evacuated Tube Collector for Solar Hot Water System

Alternative Energy Tutorial about using an Evacuated Tube Collector to increase the temperature and produce solar hot water and home solar heating

www.alternative-energy-tutorials.com

in temecula california we had a solar water heater installed by pg&e

it worked great in the summer, in the fall, winter, and spring, we never ever had hot water, not a drop, it sucked

 

[Grumblenuts]

From what little I've heard, yeah, PG&E does suck.

 

[abu afak]

An easy claim to make for a state that imports energy and produces a very tiny amount of energy.

Abuafuk's ideas are all proven false. We can simply look at how the government gives 60% of the cost to all solar and wind projects/corporations and how the corporations then give part of our money back as campaign donations.

Aba fuc can not show us anywhere in the USA where the price of electricity has gone down.

Traditional sources of electricity cost 30$ per mwh, green energy costs, $200 per mwh.


Anything different is only temporary government policy dictating the price.

 

[justoffal]

It's total bullshit.... The laws of physics are what they are. Coal is a direct energy product translated by boiler and turbine machinery in centralized locations. Switching the equivalent Gigawattage over to intermittent power requiring 300 percent of the conductor carriage is bound to cost exponentially more per unit.

 

[abu afak]

It's total bullshit.... The laws of physics are what they are. Coal is a direct energy product translated by boiler and turbine machinery in centralized locations. Switching the equivalent Gigawattage over to intermittent power requiring 300 percent of the conductor carriage is bound to cost exponentially more per unit.

Coal has to be dug up/mined and transported every day for 20 yrs at increasing wage costs, (and the nasty ash disposed of) a solar plant is basically a one time cost.
You need a course in finance and physics.
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[justoffal]

Coal has to dug up/mined and transported every day for 20 yrs, (and the nasty ash disposed of) a solar plant is basically a one time cost.
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That's why most coal powered plants are built near the mines and near cooling water. Yes the ash is nasty...but it can also be fertilizer and used for asphalt products. Also the cost of Transmission is 300% for intermittent because it takes 3 megs of intermittent to replace one meg of conventional. The final conclusion is that we either accept a higher cost for what we consider to be higher cause or we put much less money into stack technologies.

 

[abu afak]

That's why most coal powered plants are built near the mines and near cooling water. Yes the ash is nasty...but it can also be fertilizer and used for asphalt products. Also the cost of Transmission is 300% for intermittent because it takes 3 megs of intermittent to replace one meg of conventional. The final conclusion is that we either accept a higher cost for what we consider to be higher cause or we put much less money into stack technologies.

I suggest you look at about TEN other threads I bumped up to refute Elektera and now.... You.
It (wind AND solar) are even cheaper in Texas, with a worried Governor trying to make new rules to protect O&G.
Oklahoma is app 40% renewable/wind.

Farmers and Ranches get paid annually per Turbine. The newest Cash Crop across he plains.
Bulletproof.
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[Grumblenuts]

Largest Farm to Grow Crops Under Solar Panels Proves To Be A Bumper Crop For Agrivoltaic Land Use — AGRITECTURE

This agrivoltaic farm generates enough to power 300 private homes, and grows tomatoes, turnips, carrots, squash, beets, lettuce, kale, chard, and peppers.

www.agritecture.com

 

[justoffal]

I suggest you look at about TEN other threads I bumped up to refute Elektera and now.... You.
It (wind AND solar) are even cheaper in Texas, with a worried Governor trying to make new rules to protect O&G.
Oklahoma is app 40% renewable/wind.

Farmers and Ranches get paid annually per Turbine. The newest Cash Crop across he plains.
Bulletproof.
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Its not cheaper... To insist so is absolute nonsense. It is literally impossible for it to be cheaper.
Now if you want to come down off of that horse and say that it's worth paying more for it then okay. But cheaper? No way in hell. As for the farmers I say good for them! They should be remunerated. Who knows maybe that income will be invested into their agricultural interests and bring down the cost of food. I'm not close-minded about the subject.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Coal has to be dug up/mined and transported every day for 20 yrs at increasing wage costs, (and the nasty ash disposed of) a solar plant is basically a one time cost.
You need a course in finance and physics.
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a solar plant is basically a one time cost.

Don't forget the extra cost for the power plant you'll be using after the sun sets.
Or the trillions for battery backup.
You need multiple courses in finance and physics.