Zebra
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Facts About the Vietnam War that Liberal Historians Ignore
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GLASNOST
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Some and some. I was a soldier in Vietnam 1966 - 67. In 1967 I met three Viet Kong in black pajamas up at the Buddha on the hill in Nha Trang who offered me a cup of tea. They didn't push me, punch me, grab me, restrain me, capture me, torture me, imprison me, or kill me. As I've already stated, I am a Vietnam veteran. When I hear someone spewing propaganda about it I will tell you it is bullshit.
Zebra
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i see …
it was a tea war.
a competition who offered the best tea
never any shooting, never any killing …..
that is just propagannda …….
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the history books must be re.written …..
Sunni Man
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NVA up north were a different animal.
Well trained dedicated soldiers who knew their business.
They fought hard and didn't surrender.
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Well trained dedicated soldiers who knew their business.
They fought hard and didn't surrender.
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GLASNOST
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No, you don't
You are an idiot making absurd conclusion about a serious subject.
Another absurd statement.
I am a Vietnam veteran. You don't know shit. You are not worth communicating with. You and me are finished.
Zebra
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Zebra
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what is propaganda for you?
there4eyeM
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The Vietnamese wasted their troops in protracted, ineffective war that only prolonged misery. They did not understand the U.S.
The Americans wasted their troops in protracted, ineffective war that only prolonged misery. They did not understand the Vietnamese.
Both sides chose conflict over patience and negotiation. The ultimate outcome was predictable to those who understood history and particularly that of Vietnam. The biggest mistake was Uncle Ho's. He could have just shut up and waited a while for the Americans to (typically) get tired, bored, distracted and leave. That's how it finished anyway. In any case neither side truly cared in any human way about their own nations.
The Americans wasted their troops in protracted, ineffective war that only prolonged misery. They did not understand the Vietnamese.
Both sides chose conflict over patience and negotiation. The ultimate outcome was predictable to those who understood history and particularly that of Vietnam. The biggest mistake was Uncle Ho's. He could have just shut up and waited a while for the Americans to (typically) get tired, bored, distracted and leave. That's how it finished anyway. In any case neither side truly cared in any human way about their own nations.
Sunni Man
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The Vietnamese people just wanted to be free and run their own country.
The French had colonized Vietnam and treated the people as 3rd class citizens for around a century.
Then WWll broke out and the Japanese invaded Vietnam . They were far worse than the French had been.
When Japan wes finally defeated. The French returned. But this time the Vietnamese had weapons and know how to effectively fight a standing army.
They drove out the French.
Next, here comes the Americans and it took over a decade of fighting before they packed their bags and left Vietnam to the Vietnamese people.
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The French had colonized Vietnam and treated the people as 3rd class citizens for around a century.
Then WWll broke out and the Japanese invaded Vietnam . They were far worse than the French had been.
When Japan wes finally defeated. The French returned. But this time the Vietnamese had weapons and know how to effectively fight a standing army.
They drove out the French.
Next, here comes the Americans and it took over a decade of fighting before they packed their bags and left Vietnam to the Vietnamese people.
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Zebra
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Yes … Vietnam to the Vietnamese!
GLASNOST
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Whew! Boy, you really don't know anything about that war. After the French were defeated Vietnam was scheduled to hold nation-wide DEMOCRATIC ELECTIONS (1953? 1954?) but the US invaded the country and plunged Vietnam into war instead.
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Mushroom
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You mean like Ukraine? And Kuwait? That they should have just given up and allowed themselves to be subjugated without a fight?
Mushroom
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You forgot the step where at the treaty that ended the French-Indochina War, the nation was divided into two nations just as Korea had been. And South Vietnam was a separate nation that was being attacked by their Northern Neighbor. Just as South Korea had been a decade earlier.
By this definition, the US and UN should have stayed out of the Korean War, as if North Korea took them over they would also be "Korean".
GLASNOST
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Not true.
Soupnazi630
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yes that is truth
South vietnam was a seperate and legitimate nation.
Ming was the aggressor who attacked them,
Mushroom
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Yes, it is. Created at the same time that North Vietnam was in the Geneva Conference of 1954.
Just because you do not like something does not mean it is not true.
there4eyeM
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Everyone knew who would win "elections", and that could not be tolerated by the containment policy of the time. Strategic policy was blinded by ideology and a knee-jerk reaction to another ideology. "Elections" never happened and, totalitarians being as they are (sociopaths and empathy-lacking), the powers in the North fomented violence in the South, a land of corruption, sloth and egoism in the cities and industrious "peasants" in the countryside. There are many similarities to Korea, enough to tempt too close comparison. Ideology, religion, philosophy and diverse 'interests' made a perfect nest for war to hatch. A country with "too many dollars and not enough sense", thinking itself invincible, waded in, plan-less and, essentially, clue-less. Blood and treasure flowed for years, quite to the benefit of a few, at the dear cost to many.
Because of what reduced to a difference of economic approaches, a people fought foreigners and each other for decades, only to become the country they have been for a long time. So much was sacrificed to ideology with no genuine benefit to humanity!
Because of what reduced to a difference of economic approaches, a people fought foreigners and each other for decades, only to become the country they have been for a long time. So much was sacrificed to ideology with no genuine benefit to humanity!
GLASNOST
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It looks to me that your tunnel vision has left you with false information.
Just because you do not like the facts does not mean it is not true.
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