The Missile Lesson the West Can’t Ignore

[Failzero]

What gloves? We have not personally taken a single action against Russia nor for Ukraine other than to help Ukraine out selling them some stuff, and I'm loathe to understand why.

Frankly, since WWII, I'm wondering if this country really even has it in them to ever fight a real war again, to send battalions of men into meat grinders; for one thing, I don't think many of our kids these days have the mind for it to fight for their country, and I think the main impetus for building all these super-weapons is because America wants to sit in a clean room pushing buttons sipping a mocha latte while the actual combat goes on thousands of miles away, like playing a video game.

I’m talking about War in General ( Not just US wars , and I never said we were directly involved in the War of the European White folks goijng on in Ukraine vs Russia

 

[jacksonlamb]

I lost?
Shit -- boy, you proved my argument true.
You don't realize this, because you aren't paying attention.

Yep, you are a loser every time you post.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Yep, you are a loser every time you post.

And -you- shall no longer waste any more of my time.

 

[jacksonlamb]

And -you- shall no longer waste any of my time.

Your time is not valuable enough to waste.

 

[beagle9]

I think it less of being an ignored matter and more one of profitability.

There is big money to be made buying 10 million dollar bombs from Raytheon.
There is little money to be made from making thousands of low-tech drones with wood propellers.

Our generals would laugh at anyone offering such a weapon! For one thing, what would we do with them? The US military still feels relatively immune to territorial attack here on our mainland, so our military is primarily designed as an /offensive/ tool. Wood drones are something we might laugh by the hundreds if, say, we were at war with Canada or Mexico and fighting a border skirmish.

Our generals want space-based weapons they can launch from the moon and hit a postage stamp here on Earth--- pure bragging rights.

More to the point: the IRGC is dug in like ticks everywhere, impossible to locate from the sky, with a cache of small weapons and rockets they can shoulder fire or launch from the pack of a PU backed out from a garage then moved. Even drones won't do any good there. Iranian drones have been effective only because their attacks have been both far and wide and indiscriminent.

The only way to deal with that really is to fight a real war, get dirty, put boots on the ground and take that battle straight to them.

Yes, if the goal was to liberate the so called democratic loving citizen's of Iran, and to stop the IRGC in a bid to do regime change back to a time when the shaw of Iran was running the place, you are absolutely right.

This war seems to not be rooted in a clear directive to liberate the Iranian citizen's from the grip of a murderous regime, and so it is subject to change constantly in the directives all due to no one other than Israel wanting to take it all the way to the regime change directive. Pathetic is what it is, because those so called Iranian protesters are just cannon fotter now or worse if the regime stays in power.

 

[toobfreak]

Yes, if the goal was to liberate the so called democratic loving citizen's of Iran, and to stop the IRGC in a bid to do regime change back to a time when the shaw of Iran was running the place, you are absolutely right.

This war seems to not be rooted in a clear directive to liberate the Iranian citizen's from the grip of a murderous regime, and so it is subject to change constantly in the directives all due to no one other than Israel wanting to take it all the way to the regime change directive. Pathetic is what it is, because those so called Iranian protesters are just cannon fotter now or worse if the regime stays in power.

Well, Trump did tell Iran that he was going to soften up the regime and that it would then be up to the people to rise up and overthrow them themselves and put better people in, and to stay in hiding until we were done bombing, but I'm not sure how that is supposed to work nor when the bombing stops or who is coordinating this.

Maybe in a couple weeks?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Well, Trump did tell Iran that he was going to soften up the regime and that it would then be up to the people to rise up and overthrow them themselves and put better people in, and to stay in hiding until we were done bombing, but I'm not sure how that is supposed to work nor when the bombing stops or who is coordinating this.

Hmm. If only the US had special forces units created to free the oppressed.

 

[Failzero]

Hmm. If only the US had special forces units created to free the oppressed.

Airdrop small arms to protest organizers

 

[toobfreak]

Airdrop small arms to protest organizers

That is where I get fuzzy: I've heard there are a couple million loyal to the mullahs, the IRGC, etc., these people are heavily armed. The other 90-92 million Iranians cannot be very armed at all if arms if they are so routinely battered and murdered just for speaking out, so how are the 90 million going to rise up against the 2 million?

Pure attrition until the IRGC runs out of bullets? Are we going to drop arms to the protestors?

Only sure way I know of insuring regime change is to go in there guns ablazing and kick holy ass out of the IRGC until there is nothing left of them, and hand the country over to a friendly new leader with a new deal giving us a big cut of the Iranian oil action.

No more altruistic nation-saving like we did in Kuwait.

 

[Failzero]

That is where I get fuzzy: I've heard there are a couple million loyal to the mullahs, the IRGC, etc., these people are heavily armed. The other 90-92 million Iranians cannot be very armed at all if arms if they are so routinely battered and murdered just for speaking out, so how are the 90 million going to rise up against the 2 million?

Pure attrition until the IRGC runs out of bullets? Are we going to drop arms to the protestors?

Only sure way I know of insuring regime change is to go in there guns ablazing and kick holy ass out of the IRGC until there is nothing left of them, and hand the country over to a friendly new leader with a new deal giving us a big cut of the Iranian oil action.

No more altruistic nation-saving like we did in Kuwait.

100k AK/AKM rifles and 100k 9mm Semi auto pistols and pallets of ammo for all would turn the tide pronto

 

[toobfreak]

100k AK/AKM rifles and 100k 9mm Semi auto pistols and pallets of ammo for all would turn the tide pronto

I bet Joe Biden left better than that behind in new crates back in Afghanistan.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Airdrop small arms to protest organizers

Great idea!

 

[jacksonlamb]

I bet Joe Biden left better than that behind in new crates back in Afghanistan.

All set up by Trump's treaty, and he should have brought the troops and the goodies all home.

But no.

 

[beagle9]

Well, Trump did tell Iran that he was going to soften up the regime and that it would then be up to the people to rise up and overthrow them themselves and put better people in, and to stay in hiding until we were done bombing, but I'm not sure how that is supposed to work nor when the bombing stops or who is coordinating this.

Maybe in a couple weeks?

Stay in hiding ? The regime knows exactly where these people are, and I guarantee you that they are being killed off as we speak. No telling how many number in dead of these protesters that their are, otherwise that the regime has killed since the war has started and before it began.

The problem with not taking the regime out as fast as possible, is that the citizen's that were counting on liberation became sitting ducks. How could the citizen's who wanted liberation, take over an authoritarian regime that didn't allow those citizen's to possess weapons that would allow them to challenge the regime in that way ????
So was the war about the citizen's who wanted liberation along with the removal of the nuclear threat from the hands of evil, and if so where does the U.S. stand on accomplishing both goals ????

 

[beagle9]

Great idea!

The IRGC or secret police would immediately seize the weapons.

 

[jacksonlamb]

beagle9 means we have lost the war.

 

[beagle9]

100k AK/AKM rifles and 100k 9mm Semi auto pistols and pallets of ammo for all would turn the tide pronto

The protesters would never get their hands on the weapons.

 

[beagle9]

beagle9 means we have lost the war.

No, I'm saying that war's aren't won by air power alone, otherwise without ground pounding also. Now who that ground pounding force is going to be, uhhh undoubtedly it has not been activated yet. There's been talk of the kurds going in, but so far that hasn't happened. Any ideas ?

 

[beagle9]

Hmm. If only the US had special forces units created to free the oppressed.

We do, but we don't want to get pulled into a trap set up by what's left of the regime and it's outside allies that would love to see American soldier's slaughtered in some kind of trap specially set up for them.

 

[Failzero]

The protesters would never get their hands on the weapons.

Unless the mossad did delivery ?