Facts About the Vietnam War that Liberal Historians Ignore

Deadstick said:
Very interesting, of course as a 19 year old lad like most of us we were not politically aware, too interested in girls and music,
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I doubt much has changed. It's true that teenagers of today ought to know more about the political situation but I'm sure it's just a matter of what's popular within their group. I might say that much depends upon your country but I've had to give that idea up (I've been in Sweden now for more than 40 years) and I've seen the madness Greta Thunberg spouts.
Deadstick said:
Bolton is only 20 miles from where i live, have you ever heard of the Bolton legend Fred Dibnha? i believe he was quite mad.
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I've been to the UK but never to Bolton. In fact the only thing I "knew" (for many, many years) was how many holes in Bolton Lancashire it took to fill the Albert Hall but only after a lo-o-o-o-ng time afterword did I realize the holes weren't in Bolton at all but in Blackburn! Oh well.
 
Sunni Man said:
Sorry, but I don't buy into your far leftist revision of history.
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Far left :abgg2q.jpg: the actions of several American Governments after Vietnam prove my point, and some Americans still believe Vietnam war was the right thing to do, probably by most who were there and just can't admit they were lied to and fooled.
 
GLASNOST said:
I doubt much has changed. It's true that teenagers of today ought to know more about the political situation but I'm sure it's just a matter of what's popular within their group. I might say that much depends upon your country but I've had to give that idea up (I've been in Sweden now for more than 40 years) and I've seen the madness Greta Thunberg spouts.

I've been to the UK but never to Bolton. In fact the only thing I "knew" (for many, many years) was how many holes in Bolton Lancashire it took to fill the Albert Hall but only after a lo-o-o-o-ng time afterword did I realize the holes weren't in Bolton at all but in Blackburn! Oh well.
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This is the story of Fred Dibnah Bolton legend, as for holes in roads it has not improved much since.
 
Deadstick said:
Far left :abgg2q.jpg: the actions of several American Governments after Vietnam prove my point, and some Americans still believe Vietnam war was the right thing to do, probably by most who were there and just can't admit they were lied to and fooled.
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He's just winding you up.
 
Deadstick said:
The so called Government in Vietnam wasn't legitimate, as for Malaya i aggree we shouldn't have been there, like many other places it was the final death throws of British Imperialism, but there are those who still think we are an Imperial power, or should be.
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The RVN was more legitimate than the PRVN which was installed at the point of Russian supplied bayonets. Ho either killed off or deported anyone opposed to his rule. Many of them wound up in the RVN and wanted nothing to do with his "workers' paradise". The fact that the PRVN was a tyranny was why Ho and Giap could accept the massive casualties incurred in his decades long invasion of the RVN. Anyone who complained disappeared.
 
Here's an educational interview about the Vietnam War with Colonel William Le Gro, author of the noted books Combat Operations in Vietnam 1972-1975 and Vietnam from Cease-Fire to Capitulation.

LINK TO VIDEO

Colonel Le Gro served in Vietnam in 1966 and 1967 as G-2, 1st Infantry Division, and was Director of Asian Studies at the Army War College from 1969 to 1971. From December 1972 until 29 April 1975, he was a senior staff officer with the U.S. Military Assistance Command. Vietnam, and its successor agency. the U.S. Defense Attache Office, Saigon.
 
Sunni Man said:
The VC / NVA had no qualms about executing civilians who didn't cooperate with their demands.
They also brutally tortured until death any captured American soldiers.
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Zebra said:
true?
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Glasnot:
No. Not true! It is a lie!

Sunni Man:
You have No idea what you're talking about.
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That is putting it mildly. It is amazing to see anyone in 2024 denying that the Viet Cong executed civilians and POWs. I take it he's never heard of the Hue Massacre, which far exceeded My Lai in size and brutality. None other than liberal icon Adlai Stevenson admitted in 1964 that Viet Cong were killing thousands of civilians.

Adlai Stevenson and the Vietnam War: A Stirring Reminder
 
Zebra said:
The Hue Massacre was terrible!
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I should add, though, that the Viet Cong did not torture to death every single American soldier they captured. They did this in some cases, but not in the majority of cases, because the NVA wanted as many American soldiers taken alive as possible.

However, when it came to torturing and murdering civilians, the Viet Cong put Al Qaeda and ISIS to shame. Yet, at most anti-war rallies, you saw plenty of Viet Cong flags and heard people claiming that the Viet Cong were the good guys. Sick.

It is worth remembering all the false promises that North Vietnam and the Viet Cong made during the war, promises that the anti-war people blindly repeated, such as that North Vietnam had no interest in conquering South Vietnam but only in expelling "foreign invaders," and that the south would have virtual autonomy/self-rule after Saigon fell. When the Communists quickly made it clear that they had no intention of keeping these oft-repeated promises, and when the Communists proceeded to impose a reign of terror on the south, most anti-war folks said nothing.
 
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GLASNOST said:
I am a Vietnam veteran so leave your blanket crapola at the curb.
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You're a Vietnam veteran and you deny that the Viet Cong routinely murdered civilians??? That's like someone claiming they served in Iraq during the war against ISIS and then denying that ISIS frequently murdered or brutalized civilians who opposed them. One would naturally suspect that either the person did not really serve in Iraq or that they were lying for ideological reasons.

How could any genuine Vietnam veteran not know about the Viet Cong's abundantly documented record of atrocities and brutality???

Even Stanley Karnow admitted the truth about the Hue Massacre in the second edition of his famous book Vietnam: A History.
 
GLASNOST said:
I am a Vietnam Veteran and I deny all forms of BS propaganda. Speak the truth and I'll support you, otherwise take a hike.
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No you are denying facts. Anyone can brag about being a veteran on the internet which means nothing
 
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