The War Is Going Better Than You Think - New York Times

[Robert W]

Obama opposes the TRUMPwar

That figures. He never gave a damn about this country to begin with.

 

[kyzr]

That figures. He never gave a damn about this country to begin with.

Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11

Even Obama campaign aides concede Rev. Wright's rhetoric is "inflammatory."

abcnews.com

 

[rightwinger]

That figures. He never gave a damn about this country to begin with.

Obama got Iran to abandon its nukes without war

 

[toomuchtime_]

Obama got Iran to abandon its nukes without war

Just the opposite is true. The ayatollahs got Obama to abandon US policy on nuclear proliferation and international terrorism without war.

 

[rightwinger]

Just the opposite is true. The ayatollahs got Obama to abandon US policy on nuclear proliferation and international terrorism without war.

You are making shit up again
Iran abandoned their enriched uranium
Can’t be denied

 

[toomuchtime_]

You are making shit up again
Iran abandoned their enriched uranium
Can’t be denied

We don't know if they did or not because JCPOA only allowed the inspectors to inspect sites Iran approved of. We have no idea what was going on in the rest of Iran. The inspectors had no freedom of movement in Iran and Iran had a long history of deceiving IAEA inspectors to violate NPT.

US policy at the time was no enrichment because that was the only way to be sure Iran would not use those facilities to produce weapons grade uranium. That was Obama's position at the start of negotiations, and it took two years for the ayatollahs to break him down and get him to agree to legitimize Iran's enrichment program. The ayatollahs beat him down to the point where he was afraid to criticize their imperialist activities in the ME or their proxy war against Israel, America's closest and most reliable ally, or their savage treatment of the Iranian people for fear they would not agree to JCPOA.

Everyone knew at the time that it was a terrible deal, and when Obama went to Congress for approval of it, he couldn't get enough Democrats to support JCPOA until he acknowledged it substantially increased the risk of attacks on Israel and agreed to a large increase in military aid to Israel to offset the increased danger he was creating for them.

It was a great political victory for Obama but a great loss to US foreign policy.

 

[rightwinger]

We don't know if they did or not because JCPOA only allowed the inspectors to inspect sites Iran approved of. We have no idea what was going on in the rest of Iran. The inspectors had no freedom of movement in Iran and Iran had a long history of deceiving IAEA inspectors to violate NPT.

US policy at the time was no enrichment because that was the only way to be sure Iran would not use those facilities to produce weapons grade uranium. That was Obama's position at the start of negotiations, and it took two years for the ayatollahs to break him down and get him to agree to legitimize Iran's enrichment program. The ayatollahs beat him down to the point where he was afraid to criticize their imperialist activities in the ME or their proxy war against Israel, America's closest and most reliable ally, or their savage treatment of the Iranian people for fear they would not agree to JCPOA.

Everyone knew at the time that it was a terrible deal, and when Obama went to Congress for approval of it, he couldn't get enough Democrats to support JCPOA until he acknowledged it substantially increased the risk of attacks on Israel and agreed to a large increase in military aid to Israel to offset the increased danger he was creating for them.

It was a great political victory for Obama but a great loss to US foreign policy.

They handed over their supplies of enriched uranium and then inspectors were allowed to verify they have no weapons program

Yes, you can fantasize that they have a super sercret stash. But experts look at more than just uranium, they verify the paper trail to be sure they are not buying the supplies to enrich more uranium

Trump hated the deal because it was an Obama success

 

[toomuchtime_]

They handed over their supplies of enriched uranium and then inspectors were allowed to verify they have no weapons program

Yes, you can fantasize that they have a super sercret stash. But experts look at more than just uranium, they verify the paper trail to be sure they are not buying the supplies to enrich more uranium

Trump hated the deal because it was an Obama success

Again, the inspectors were only allowed to inspect sites Iran approved, so they had no way of knowing what Iran was doing in the rest of the country. Under NPT Iran was required to notify the IAEA of any new construction of enriching facilities, but both Nanatanz and Fordow were built in secret right under the noses of IAEA.

JCPOA was a great political success for Obama, but a great failure for American foreign policy.

 

[rightwinger]

Again, the inspectors were only allowed to inspect sites Iran approved, so they had no way of knowing what Iran was doing in the rest of the country. Under NPT Iran was required to notify the IAEA of any new construction of enriching facilities, but both Nanatanz and Fordow were built in secret right under the noses of IAEA.

JCPOA was a great political success for Obama, but a great failure for American foreign policy.

Not true
Iran did not give permission to inspect all sensitive military facilities

Does not equate to there being Uranium there

 

[toomuchtime_]

Not true
Iran did not give permission to inspect all sensitive military facilities

Does not equate to there being Uranium there

Iran did not give permission to inspect all sites, so there was no way to know what was going on in sites the inspectors didn't see and with Iran's long history of deceiving IAEA inspectors, there was no way to verify Iran was living up to the deal. As long as Iran was enriching uranium, it had a credible nuclear threat to support its imperialist agenda in the ME.

Trust but verify was a great line, but JCPOA didn't allow the US to verify Iran was keeping the deal in areas the inspectors didn't see.

 

[Cassandro]

They handed over their supplies of enriched uranium

Where did those supplies go?

 

[Robert W]

Obama got Iran to abandon its nukes without war

You were fooled by Iran.

 

[Robert W]

Not true
Iran did not give permission to inspect all sensitive military facilities

Does not equate to there being Uranium there

Obama only made it appear he controlled Iran. Trump shows us all how to control Iran.

 

[rightwinger]

Obama only made it appear he controlled Iran. Trump shows us all how to control Iran.

Looks like Iran has him by the balls

 

[Robert W]

Obama got Iran to abandon its nukes without war

How did Iran get so many back in operation and hide them in deep tunnels far underground?