PATRIOTISM: Robert Swan Mueller III vs Donald J. Trump

[rightwinger]

His re-election does not alter the evidence in Mueller's report that trump obstructed justice. Nor does it alter the evidence Smith presented in his indictments that trump was guilty of the crimes for which he was indicted in the 2020 election plot case and the theft of classified docs.

And then Judge Cannon locked up the evidence

 

[BS Filter]

You people take the cake. The prosecution was before the American people, a case they failed to make because he was reelected

But in the back of your warped TDS mind, you still think Trump colluded with Putin, of course today, you claim that the Jews control him

Hilarious!

You people really are retarded.

I have to admit, I thought at one point that the Left was half retarded, but after they ran Joe Biden who have full stage dementia lying their arses off about it the whole way, I now believe them to be fully retarded.

His re-election does not alter the evidence in Mueller's report that trump obstructed justice. Nor does it alter the evidence Smith presented in his indictments that trump was guilty of the crimes for which he was indicted in the 2020 election plot case and the theft of classified docs.

Impeach the bastard. That'll teach him.

 

[theHawk]

We all know Donald J. Trump puts himself forward as America's Greatest Patriot. He's compared himself to George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and other Presidents. I've always found his announcements to be more protestations of "Look at me, I'm better than the Me you know!"

Mueller vs Trump - PATRIOTISM: This thread is NO about the Death of Robert Mueller. It's about Patriotism. For starters Contrast below with what we know about Donald Trump and the Vietnam War. Then contrast what Trump believes an Executive can and should do with what Mueller and COMEY saw as Executive overreach

In 1968, not many men with blue blood were signing up to shed it in Vietnam. But after a close friend and lacrosse teammate at Princeton died in battle, Mr. Mueller joined the Marine Corps. After Officer Candidate School and the Army’s Ranger School — Marines trained as Rangers often led long-range reconnaissance patrols, hunt-and-kill missions with a high mortality rate — he shipped out to the Dong Ha combat base, on the northern edge of South Vietnam, near enemy territory.

“You were scared to death of the unknown,” he told Mr. Graff 40 years later. “More afraid in some ways of failure than death, more afraid of being found wanting.” That species of intense fear, he said, “animates your unconscious.”

On his first tour, as a second lieutenant, he earned a Bronze Star for valor on Dec. 11, 1968, while leading an outgunned rifle platoon ambushed in Quang Tri province by an enemy armed with rocket-propelled grenades, machine guns and mortars.

His citation said he “personally led a fire team across the fire-swept area terrain to recover a mortally wounded Marine,” and it commended his “courage, aggressive initiative and unwavering devotion to duty at great personal risk.”

Four months later, he was shot through the thigh with an AK-47 round while leading his platoon to rescue American soldiers under a lethal Vietcong attack. He was awarded the Purple Heart.



more:

4 of the Most Dramatic Moments From the Mueller Report​

B4 Trump we had gone down the road to Becoming Bankrupt- Two ways Gradually, then suddenly Bush unilaterally reauthorize Stellarwind unilaterally March 11, 2004, asserting his power overrode the Constitution

"Of greater concern to Mr. Mueller and Mr. Comey was their determination that the program violated the Constitution’s protections against illegal searches and seizures. They convinced Attorney General John Ashcroft that he could not reauthorize Stellarwind. But Mr. Bush did so, unilaterally, on the morning of March 11, 2004, asserting in effect that his power overrode the Constitution."

"Russia Russia Russia"- Mueller Report does not exonerate him - Trump proclaimed that he had been totally exonerated

The report concluded that Russia had systemically sought to help Mr. Trump win the election, and that the candidate and his campaign had encouraged their clandestine assistance. It laid out 10 cases in which the president and his aides had sought to impede the F.B.I. investigation. Its key passage read: “While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

But the attorney general, while keeping the text of the report secret, ostensibly to redact sensitive information, announced only that “the Special Counsel’s investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense.”

Mr. Trump proclaimed that he had been “totally exonerated.”

What a load of shit.

Mueller used typical fed scare tactics to get a plea deal with Paul Manafort. Then when Manafort refused to lie about Trump he reneged the deal and threw him in prison as if he was a terrorist. Mueller was a disgusting piece of shit.

 

[Votto]

His re-election does not alter the evidence in Mueller's report that trump obstructed justice. Nor does it alter the evidence Smith presented in his indictments that trump was guilty of the crimes for which he was indicted in the 2020 election plot case and the theft of classified docs.

Political impeachments are just political Kabuki theatre as the Left showed the world with their myriad of impeachments against Trump, and are awaiting to do again if and when they take the House. They were just slinging as much poo against the wall to see if any of it would stick thanks to their TDS.

Therefore, their only goal is to drag their opponent through the political mire to destroy them politically. That is the goal, unless you have a partisan House and Senate to agree to remove them from office, that is. But even then, you have voters to face afterwards

And since Trump was reelected by voters, it proves that you failed in your objectives, by using Mueller as your tool.

But you refuse to concede that all of you are a bunch of political hack failures.

You are a FAILURE!

How does it feel?

You people truly are incompetent.

 

[Dante]

What a load of shit.

Mueller used typical fed scare tactics to get a plea deal with Paul Manafort. Then when Manafort refused to lie about Trump he reneged the deal and threw him in prison as if he was a terrorist. Mueller was a disgusting piece of shit.

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Even the Great Wikipedia laughs at you:

On January 19, 2017, the eve of Trump's presidential inauguration, it was reported that Manafort was under active investigation by multiple federal agencies including the Central Intelligence Agency, National Security Agency, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Director of National Intelligence, and the financial crimes unit of the Treasury Department. Investigations were said to be based on intercepted Russian communications as well as financial transactions. CNN reported in September 2017 that Manafort was wiretapped by the FBI "before and after the election ... including a period when Manafort was known to talk to President Donald Trump." The surveillance of Manafort reportedly began in 2014, before Donald Trump announced his candidacy for President of United States. According to a subsequent CNN editor's note, however: "On December 9, 2019, the Justice Department Inspector General released a report regarding the opening of the investigation on Russian election interference and Donald Trump's campaign. In the report, the IG contradicts what CNN was told in 2017, noting that the FBI team overseeing the investigation did not seek FISA surveillance of Paul Manafort".

Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who was appointed on May 17, 2017, by the Justice Department to oversee the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections and related matters, took over the existing criminal probe involving Manafort.[8][166] On July 26, 2017, the day after Manafort's United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence hearing and the morning of his planned hearing before the United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary, FBI agents at Mueller's direction conducted a raid on Manafort's Alexandria, Virginia home, using a search warrant to seize documents and other materials, in regard to the Russian meddling in the 2016 election. Initial press reports indicated Mueller obtained a no-knock warrant for this raid, though Mueller's office has disputed these reports in court documents. United States v. Paul Manafort was analyzed by attorney George T. Conway III, who wrote that it strengthened the constitutionality of the Mueller investigation.

Former Trump attorney John Dowd denied March 2018 reports by The New York Times and The Washington Post that in 2017 he had broached the idea of a presidential pardon for Manafort with his attorneys.

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[Dante]

What a load of shit.

Mueller used typical fed scare tactics to get a plea deal with Paul Manafort. Then when Manafort refused to lie about Trump he reneged the deal and threw him in prison as if he was a terrorist. Mueller was a disgusting piece of shit.

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Congressional investigations​

In May 2017, in response to a request of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI), Manafort submitted over "300 pages of documents ... included drafts of speeches, calendars and notes from his time on the campaign" to the Committee "related to its investigation of Russian election meddling." On July 25, he met privately with the committee.

A congressional hearing on Russia issues, including the Trump campaign-Russian meeting, was scheduled by the Senate Committee on the Judiciary for July 26, 2017. Manafort was scheduled to appear together with Trump Jr., while Kushner was to testify in a separate closed session. After separate negotiations, both Manafort and Trump Jr. met with the committee on July 26 in closed session and agreed to turn over requested documents. They are expected to testify in public eventually.

The United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence concluded in its August 2020 final report that as Trump campaign manager "Manafort worked with Kilimnik starting in 2016 on narratives that sought to undermine evidence that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. election" and to direct such suspicions toward Ukraine. The report characterized Kilimnik as a "Russian intelligence officer" and said Manafort's activities represented a "grave counterintelligence threat." The investigation found:

Manafort's presence on the Campaign and proximity to Trump created opportunities for the Russian intelligence services to exert influence over, and acquire confidential information on, the Trump Campaign. The Committee assesses that Kilimnik likely served as a channel to Manafort for Russian intelligence services, and that those services likely sought to exploit Manafort's access to gain insight [into] the Campaign...On numerous occasions over the course of his time of the Trump Campaign, Manafort sought to secretly share internal campaign information with Kilimnik...Manafort briefed Kilimnik on sensitive campaign polling data and the campaign's strategy for beating Hillary Clinton

 

[Dante]

Political impeachments are just political Kabuki theatre as the Left showed the world with their myriad of impeachments against Trump

"Myriad" You're a clown

Evidence was presented

 

[Dante]

Political impeachments are just political Kabuki theatre as the Left showed the world with their myriad of impeachments against Trump, and are awaiting to do again if and when they take the House. They were just slinging as much poo against the wall to see if any of it would stick thanks to their TDS.

Therefore, their only goal is to drag their opponent through the political mire to destroy them politically. That is the goal, unless you have a partisan House and Senate to agree to remove them from office, that is. But even then, you have voters to face afterwards

And since Trump was reelected by voters, it proves that you failed in your objectives, by using Mueller as your tool.

But you refuse to concede that all of you are a bunch of political hack failures.

You are a FAILURE!

How does it feel?

You people truly are incompetent.

Article II, Section 4:

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

President Donald Trump was impeached twice during his single term in office. In each case, he was acquitted on all counts by the Senate.

The first impeachment trial stemmed from a call President Trump had with the President Volodymyr Zelenskyy of Ukraine in which President Trump asked the Ukrainian President to announce two investigations: one involving his potential opponent in the upcoming 2020 presidential election and a second into unsubstantiated allegations that entities within Ukraine had interfered in the 2016 presidential election. At the time of the call, the Office of Management and Budget had frozen $400 million in military aid to Ukraine at the direction of the President. The contents of the call initially came to light through an intelligence community whistleblower report, but a summary of the call was later made public by President Trump.

The House investigation proceeded in two phases....

The House later took action to explicitly approve the impeachment investigation by adopting a resolution authorizing the House committees "to continue their ongoing investigations as part of the existing House of Representatives inquiry into whether sufficient grounds exist . . . to impeach Donald John Trump." ...Some Executive Branch officials, however, made the individual determination to cooperate with the impeachment inquiry and, as a result, the Intelligence Committee was able to hold a number of investigative hearings and issue a report outlining their findings. The record established in the fact finding phase was then provided to the Judiciary Committee.

Phase two of the impeachment investigation was conducted by the Judiciary Committee...the President with abuse of power, alleging that he had used the powers of his office to solicit Ukraine’s interference in the 2020 election and had conditioned official acts, such as the release of military aid to Ukraine and a White House visit, on President Zelenskyy agreeing to announce the investigations. ...second article charged the President with obstruction of the House impeachment investigation by directing the "unprecedented, categorical, and indiscriminate defiance of subpoenas issued by the House of Representatives." "This abuse of office," the article alleged, was "subversive of constitutional government" and "nullif[ied] a vital constitutional safeguard vested solely in the House of Representatives."

...

The Senate trial was characterized by deep partisan divides and complicated disagreements over questions of law and fact, including presidential motive. But one clear constitutional conflict that arose during the trial involved the proper relationship between impeachment and criminal law. Trial briefs and debate made clear that the House managers and President Trump’s attorneys reached very different conclusions on the question of whether "high crimes and misdemeanors" require evidence of a criminal act or other legal violation. The House, consistent with past impeachment practice, asserted that for purposes of Article II "high Crimes and Misdemeanors" "need not be indictable criminal offenses." In response, however, the President’s attorneys asserted that an "impeachable offense must be a violation of established law," and that the articles "fail[ed] to allege any crime or violation of law whatsoever, let alone ‘high Crimes and Misdemeanors,’ as required by the Constitution." The acquittal provided no clear resolution to these conflicting positions, but the debate over a link between illegal acts and impeachable acts appears to have had some impact on individual Senators. Indeed, the House’s managers’ failure to allege an explicit criminal act appears, along with criticism of the House investigation and failure of the House to prove its case, to have been among the primary reasons given for acquittal.

As the Senate trial proceeded, it became apparent that a major point of contention would be whether the Senate would call its own witnesses....

Ultimately, the Senate acquitted President Trump on both counts. Article I failed by a vote of 48-52 while Article II failed by a vote of 47-53.20

The second Trump impeachment occurred a year later in the waning days of the Trump presidency following the events on January 6, 2021, at the U.S. Capitol...In the end, the First Amendment arguments made by the former President’s attorneys do not appear to have had an impact on Senators, as only one Senator who voted to acquit the former President mentioned the First Amendment in the formal explanation of his vote.

Although a majority of Senators voted to convict, former President Trump was ultimately acquitted by a vote of 57-43.


On February 13, 2021, the U.S. Senate voted 57-43 to acquit President Donald Trump on a charge of inciting an insurrection at the Capitol, falling short of the two-thirds majority (votes) needed for conviction. Although a majority voted guilty—including seven Republicans—it was not enough to convict.

 

[Votto]

Article II, Section 4:

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

President Donald Trump was impeached twice during his single term in office. In each case, he was acquitted on all counts by the Senate.

The first impeachment trial stemmed from a call President Trump had with the President Volodymyr Zelenskyy of Ukraine in which President Trump asked the Ukrainian President to announce two investigations: one involving his potential opponent in the upcoming 2020 presidential election and a second into unsubstantiated allegations that entities within Ukraine had interfered in the 2016 presidential election. At the time of the call, the Office of Management and Budget had frozen $400 million in military aid to Ukraine at the direction of the President. The contents of the call initially came to light through an intelligence community whistleblower report, but a summary of the call was later made public by President Trump.

The House investigation proceeded in two phases....

The House later took action to explicitly approve the impeachment investigation by adopting a resolution authorizing the House committees "to continue their ongoing investigations as part of the existing House of Representatives inquiry into whether sufficient grounds exist . . . to impeach Donald John Trump." ...Some Executive Branch officials, however, made the individual determination to cooperate with the impeachment inquiry and, as a result, the Intelligence Committee was able to hold a number of investigative hearings and issue a report outlining their findings. The record established in the fact finding phase was then provided to the Judiciary Committee.

Phase two of the impeachment investigation was conducted by the Judiciary Committee...the President with abuse of power, alleging that he had used the powers of his office to solicit Ukraine’s interference in the 2020 election and had conditioned official acts, such as the release of military aid to Ukraine and a White House visit, on President Zelenskyy agreeing to announce the investigations. ...second article charged the President with obstruction of the House impeachment investigation by directing the "unprecedented, categorical, and indiscriminate defiance of subpoenas issued by the House of Representatives." "This abuse of office," the article alleged, was "subversive of constitutional government" and "nullif[ied] a vital constitutional safeguard vested solely in the House of Representatives."

...

The Senate trial was characterized by deep partisan divides and complicated disagreements over questions of law and fact, including presidential motive. But one clear constitutional conflict that arose during the trial involved the proper relationship between impeachment and criminal law. Trial briefs and debate made clear that the House managers and President Trump’s attorneys reached very different conclusions on the question of whether "high crimes and misdemeanors" require evidence of a criminal act or other legal violation. The House, consistent with past impeachment practice, asserted that for purposes of Article II "high Crimes and Misdemeanors" "need not be indictable criminal offenses." In response, however, the President’s attorneys asserted that an "impeachable offense must be a violation of established law," and that the articles "fail[ed] to allege any crime or violation of law whatsoever, let alone ‘high Crimes and Misdemeanors,’ as required by the Constitution." The acquittal provided no clear resolution to these conflicting positions, but the debate over a link between illegal acts and impeachable acts appears to have had some impact on individual Senators. Indeed, the House’s managers’ failure to allege an explicit criminal act appears, along with criticism of the House investigation and failure of the House to prove its case, to have been among the primary reasons given for acquittal.

As the Senate trial proceeded, it became apparent that a major point of contention would be whether the Senate would call its own witnesses....

Ultimately, the Senate acquitted President Trump on both counts. Article I failed by a vote of 48-52 while Article II failed by a vote of 47-53.20

The second Trump impeachment occurred a year later in the waning days of the Trump presidency following the events on January 6, 2021, at the U.S. Capitol...In the end, the First Amendment arguments made by the former President’s attorneys do not appear to have had an impact on Senators, as only one Senator who voted to acquit the former President mentioned the First Amendment in the formal explanation of his vote.

Although a majority of Senators voted to convict, former President Trump was ultimately acquitted by a vote of 57-43.


On February 13, 2021, the U.S. Senate voted 57-43 to acquit President Donald Trump on a charge of inciting an insurrection at the Capitol, falling short of the two-thirds majority (votes) needed for conviction. Although a majority voted guilty—including seven Republicans—it was not enough to convict.

DNC hypocrisy is about as bad as their stupidity. Your selective outrage is duly noted, along that with the corrupt Swamp.



Again, the Senate acquitted Trump as well as did voters whom you failed to make a good case for.

You people are either incompetent or a liars.

Which is it?

 

[Dante]

DNC hypocrisy is about as bad as their stupidity. Your selective outrage is duly noted, along that with the corrupt Swamp.



Again, the Senate acquitted Trump as well as did voters whom you failed to make a good case for.

You people are either incompetent or a liars.

Which is it?

A majority voted to convict

and he is a convicted felon, so...

 

[theHawk]

Investigations were said to be based on intercepted Russian communications as well as financial transactions.

Yea bullshit, what “communications”? With WHO?

What “financial transactions”? Be specific.

 

[Mick2]

“Robert Mueller just died,” Trump posted on Truth Social. “Good, I’m glad he’s dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people!”

The world has simply never seen something like this.

Do you believe Steven Hatfill agrees with Trump's take or your take regarding Mueller?

 

[Mick2]

. United States v. Paul Manafort was analyzed by attorney George T. Conway III, who wrote that it strengthened the constitutionality of the Mueller investigation.



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WTF does 2003 personal tax evasion by Manafort have to do with Russia's alleged influence campaign on elections in 2016?

 

[Correll]

We all know Donald J. Trump puts himself forward as America's Greatest Patriot. He's compared himself to George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and other Presidents. I've always found his announcements to be more protestations of "Look at me, I'm better than the Me you know!"

Mueller vs Trump - PATRIOTISM: This thread is NO about the Death of Robert Mueller. It's about Patriotism. For starters Contrast below with what we know about Donald Trump and the Vietnam War. Then contrast what Trump believes an Executive can and should do with what Mueller and COMEY saw as Executive overreach

In 1968, not many men with blue blood were signing up to shed it in Vietnam. But after a close friend and lacrosse teammate at Princeton died in battle, Mr. Mueller joined the Marine Corps. After Officer Candidate School and the Army’s Ranger School — Marines trained as Rangers often led long-range reconnaissance patrols, hunt-and-kill missions with a high mortality rate — he shipped out to the Dong Ha combat base, on the northern edge of South Vietnam, near enemy territory.

“You were scared to death of the unknown,” he told Mr. Graff 40 years later. “More afraid in some ways of failure than death, more afraid of being found wanting.” That species of intense fear, he said, “animates your unconscious.”

On his first tour, as a second lieutenant, he earned a Bronze Star for valor on Dec. 11, 1968, while leading an outgunned rifle platoon ambushed in Quang Tri province by an enemy armed with rocket-propelled grenades, machine guns and mortars.

His citation said he “personally led a fire team across the fire-swept area terrain to recover a mortally wounded Marine,” and it commended his “courage, aggressive initiative and unwavering devotion to duty at great personal risk.”

Four months later, he was shot through the thigh with an AK-47 round while leading his platoon to rescue American soldiers under a lethal Vietcong attack. He was awarded the Purple Heart.



more:

4 of the Most Dramatic Moments From the Mueller Report​

B4 Trump we had gone down the road to Becoming Bankrupt- Two ways Gradually, then suddenly Bush unilaterally reauthorize Stellarwind unilaterally March 11, 2004, asserting his power overrode the Constitution

"Of greater concern to Mr. Mueller and Mr. Comey was their determination that the program violated the Constitution’s protections against illegal searches and seizures. They convinced Attorney General John Ashcroft that he could not reauthorize Stellarwind. But Mr. Bush did so, unilaterally, on the morning of March 11, 2004, asserting in effect that his power overrode the Constitution."

"Russia Russia Russia"- Mueller Report does not exonerate him - Trump proclaimed that he had been totally exonerated

The report concluded that Russia had systemically sought to help Mr. Trump win the election, and that the candidate and his campaign had encouraged their clandestine assistance. It laid out 10 cases in which the president and his aides had sought to impede the F.B.I. investigation. Its key passage read: “While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

But the attorney general, while keeping the text of the report secret, ostensibly to redact sensitive information, announced only that “the Special Counsel’s investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense.”

Mr. Trump proclaimed that he had been “totally exonerated.”

The investigation was looking for evidence of collusion.

He found none, despite looking for years.


The only rational conclusion, is to drop the accusation.

And move on.

Mueller, was not the man he was 50 years earlier. He failed to have the courage to do that.

He had to use weasel words, to make it look like he did NOT just tear the nation apart over bullshit.


At least to TRY to make it look like that. Only willful dupes fell for it.

 

[Mac1958]

Trump is simply a predator. He looks at the American Flag and sees dollar signs for himself.

Gold-plated dollar signs, of course.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You pos, Robert Mueller was a war hero (unlike Trump) who as tough (unlike Trump) and wasn't used by anybody.

Enough with your imaginary bullshit

And Trump has a tendency of belittling war heroes, and of doing disrespectful things around those who have died.

Then he'll claim he's the one who's pro-military. It's a JOKE.

 

[Correll]

Trump is simply a predator. He looks at the American Flag and sees dollar signs for himself.

Gold-plated dollar signs, of course.

The people that make up maga, we aren't going away.

Even if you managed to destroy our leader, and take back power, we will still be here.

What do you plan to do, when we want our interests represented in policy?

 

[jacksonlamb]

 

[Correll]

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No, he wouldn't have. Because that would have made him look like a total clown.

So, he talked shit, and used weasel words, to cover his own ass.

 

[Mac1958]

The people that make up maga, we aren't going away.

Even if you managed to destroy our leader, and take back power, we will still be here.

What do you plan to do, when we want our interests represented in policy?

Here's what you and your fellow Trumpsters will clearly never understand, and why I've given up on you here:

I actually have MANY AGREEMENTS with you people on issues. There is a link in my sig that DEMONSTRATES that. And I'm watching you BLOW IT because you have been convinced that you are more intelligent and more accurately-informed than anyone who doesn't think like you.

I'm WATCHING YOU BLOW IT.

As I said BACK IN 2017 WHEN TRUMP WAS FIRST ELECTED (Post 135):

What worries me more than anything else is that Trump & Co will **** things up quickly and badly, before the Democratic party can marginalize these people. If that happens, they return to power, and probably worse than ever..

You won't understand this. You won't believe this. You'll deny this. You'll just dismiss this. Because you're not nearly as intelligent or accurately-informed as you think you are.

So I have to WATCH YOU BLOW IT.

Now go play with someone else. Dealing with you Dunning-Kruger subjects is depressing. I know damn well I've just wasted my time.