Facts About the Vietnam War that Liberal Historians Ignore

[Sunni Man]

The Marines didn't draft men.

Incorrect.
Approximately 42,000 men were drafted into the Marine corps during the Vietnam war.

 

[GLASNOST]

That's the problem weaponized ignorance, he should read the book by Smedley Butler US Marine General, War is a racket, then he will understand who and what the industrial military complex is ...

That would require a certain level of literacy, don't you think?

 

[AZrailwhale]

Did they? collaborators tend to be killed it happened in WW2.

It’s funny, the ARVNs and US military didn’t go around killing collaborators. And if you are going to come back with the photo in the Tet Offensive, that guy was a PRVN senior officer captured in civilian clothes killing “collaborators”.

 

[AZrailwhale]

They didn't play by your rules, because your rules were no rules, Vietnam is about 12 thousand miles from the US, WTF were you even doing there? did you ever ask yourself that?

What were YOUR rules in Malaysia? What were you doing there? You had less excuse to be there than we did to be in Vietnam. Both Vietnam and the USA were SEATO members and our assistance was requested by the legitimate sitting government.

 

[fncceo]

The war is over Move On.

 

[GLASNOST]

It’s funny, the ARVNs and US military didn’t go around killing collaborators. ......

You are stupid. Whole Vietnamese villages of civilians were destroyed and the inhabitants massacred just for having a cache of rice.

 

[AZrailwhale]

You are stupid. Whole Vietnamese villages of civilians were destroyed and the inhabitants massacred just for having a cache of rice.

Bullshit. My Lai was publicized because it was such an abnormal event. The US couldn’t have hidden atrocities committed by forces that were largely composed of draftees.

 

[GLASNOST]

... Both Vietnam and the USA were SEATO members and our assistance was requested by the legitimate sitting government.

Lying doesn't bother you in the least does it.

 

[GLASNOST]

Bullshit. My Lai was publicized because it was such an abnormal event. The US couldn’t have hidden atrocities committed by forces that were largely composed of draftees.

You really are stupid.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Lying doesn't bother you in the least does it.

The Republic of Vietnam was as legitimate as the People’s Republic of Vietnam. Just like the Republic of Korea and the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. Post WWI the communists tried to set up a bunch of tyrannies claiming to legitimately represent the people; none of them did. Uncle Ho refused a fair election supervised by the UN. He insisted that he would only participate in one supervised by communist stooges and not open to investigation.

 

[GLASNOST]

Lying doesn't bother you in the least does it.

The Republic of Vietnam was as legitimate .....

No, it wasn't

.... the Republic of Korea ...

Yes, it is.

... the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

Yes, it is.

Post WWI the communists tried to set up a bunch of tyrannies claiming to legitimately represent the people; none of them did.

You are stupid.

Uncle Ho refused a fair election supervised by the UN.

You are a liar.

He insisted that he would only participate in one supervised by communist stooges and not open to investigation.

You are a liar.

 

[AZrailwhale]

No, it wasn't

Yes, it is.

Yes, it is.

You are stupid.

You are a liar.

You are a liar.

You are an ignorant idiotic ideologue.

 

[GLASNOST]

You are an ignorant idiotic ideologue.

Then you won't be devastated that I am putting you on ignore status. Buh-bye.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Then you won't be devastated that I am putting you on ignore status. Buh-bye.

Please put me on ignore, it is a badge of honor.

 

[Deadstick]

What were YOUR rules in Malaysia? What were you doing there? You had less excuse to be there than we did to be in Vietnam. Both Vietnam and the USA were SEATO members and our assistance was requested by the legitimate sitting government.

The so called Government in Vietnam wasn't legitimate, as for Malaya i aggree we shouldn't have been there, like many other places it was the final death throws of British Imperialism, but there are those who still think we are an Imperial power, or should be.

 

[Deadstick]

Incorrect Poindexter
I've read, studied, and attended lectures about the Vietnam war from both sides of the participants.

But didn't learn anything from it.

 

[Deadstick]

Bullshit. My Lai was publicized because it was such an abnormal event. The US couldn’t have hidden atrocities committed by forces that were largely composed of draftees.

That crime was shown because a journalist Semour Hersh exposed it, just like Assange exposed war crimes,also did you miss the phoenix program ? didn't torture and murder prisoners, pull the other one it's got bells on

 

[gipper]

Bullshit. My Lai was publicized because it was such an abnormal event. The US couldn’t have hidden atrocities committed by forces that were largely composed of draftees.

Yeah because bombing the **** out of civilians since WWII by the US military is so abnormal…LMFAO.

 

[Deadstick]

He was both, I think.

The Marines didn't draft men. One could volunteer for the draft (silly, isn't it) but I don't think it applied to the Marines, Navy, or Air Force. Being conscripted into the Army awarded you a 2 year stint. Volunteering afforded you 3 years. Volunteering for the Marines, Navy, and Air Force (as I recall) gave you 4 years of active service. 12 months of service in Vietnam for Army, 13 or 14(?) months for Marines. You could extend in 6 months increments on a voluntary basis.

With a 4 year committent it is feasible to have been compelled to serve twice in Vietnam .... but unlikely.

"Red Plateau" is an autobiography written by a North Vietnamese soldier during the war but I don't know if it's ever been put into film.

The vast majority of us were 19 (the minimum legal age for a combat posting) when we arrived. At 19 we were not allowed to vote or drink inside the US but to kill and die, that was another thing. We couldn't have found Vietnam on a map let alone know anything about Vietnam's history or its/our political situation. Just counting the days. "Getting short" or "ETS"(days left to going home) was our most cherished accomplishment. I was there in 1966-67 and the only other subject we talked about was the fact that the French had tossed us out and then there was the rumour that "the six day war" would have us sent directly to the Middle East to fight with the Israelis. To answer your question we were living in a bubble of ignorance and any discussions we had amongst ourselves were limited to "Someone told me that ...". I had a pen friend, Carol Cooke from Bolton (UK) with whom I corresponded. For no reason whatsoever I stopped writing her. The poor girl probably thought I'd been killed. I wish I could find her today to apologise and tell her the truth.

Very interesting, of course as a 19 year old lad like most of us we were not politically aware, too interested in girls and music, Bolton is only 20 miles from where i live, have you ever heard of the Bolton legend Fred Dibnha? i believe he was quite mad.

 

[GLASNOST]

The so called Government in Vietnam wasn't legitimate ......

Correct.