“Uncomfortable conversations”

[Grumblenuts]

I drove OTR for a couple years and walked around in every city I could, day and night. Mostly in the seedier districts because I'd enjoyed engaging with the street people while going to college in Philly so much. Yeah, it got downright scary at times.. but, I dunno.. Somehow the vast majority's welcoming kindness and generosity overwhelmed all that by a mile. I'm a big guy so have never been scared to go anywhere. I'd notice a party going on in some yard and start talking to whoever noticed me first. Once that ice was broken everything was great nearly every time. I learned what I came to learn. Other than cultural differences we're all the same.

 

[rightwinger]

BS ^^^^^^^^^^^ comparing numbers of
DEATHS is absolutely ON POINT. And comparing
numbers of GRIEVOUS injury is also ON POINT.

The issue is not the number of deaths, never has been.
If black on black murder resulted in a free pass for the killer, blacks would be protesting. But our prisons are full of blacks convicted of murder.

Not so with police who are given a free pass regardless of guilt.

There are plenty of times where blacks get away with murdering other blacks and there’s no outrage. Getting a murder conviction is not always easy. The fact is that when blacks kill other blacks there’s little interest in the cases, and that’s not because all blacks go to prison when they murder. I think your argument is ridiculous

Yea....tell it to all the blacks in prison how easy the court system is on them

 

[irosie91]

for several years, I walked RIGHT THRU ---the place now called EAST NY---twice per day----about a mile.

And lived to tell about it! So now you know what goes on everywhere. Wow. I'm sure no other white person has ever survived such an ordeal. You must have pictures and stories galore. Write a book! Tell us about how you dealt with Corn Pop. Go for it!

you are a little confused-----the area I describe is supposed to be the EPICENTER of police brutality---today it is one of the BLM epicenters-----it is the STOMPING GROUND of SAINT AL SHARPTON

 

[irosie91]

you didn't disprove the fact that it is RARE for a cop to unjustifiably kill someone = you are just babbling

Again you demonstrate how clueless Conservatives are.

Police are held to a higher standard than criminals, so comparing number of deaths is meaningless

The concern of BLM is the indifference (especially among conservatives) towards black deaths by police. In the past, Police just played the self defense card or resisting arrest and got a free pass.
Now we see video and realize how senseless and unnecessary these deaths are.

Accountability by police is not a bad thing

you got a video showing cops accosting adolescents in the street playing tiddlywinks getting beaten to death by cops? What do they do with the dying kids? The dying kids do not go to the local hospital?

 

[irosie91]

It means just what it says. I'll give you an example. A white person says something idiotic like why doesnt BLM care about Black on Black crime. The conversation that would follow would be uncomfortable for you because you would have to think and listen which apparently makes white people uncomfortable.

what are you talking about, butterfly ? What is "idiotic" about OBSERVING the fact that young black males shoot each other in New York City at an ALARMING rate-----and the fact does not instigate riots? What is ALARMING about the fact that despite the blatant IN THE STREET gunfights---the people in black areas like EAST NY can barely come up with a witness?. I observed that fact for many years-----just about the entire decade of the 1990s. It's nothing new----young black males shoot each other. There was a shoot out right in front of my house a few years ago-----the cops did check my surveillance tapes. BUT no one was talking. The good news is that no one got killed-----just one guy got a few bullets in his ass

" What is "idiotic" about OBSERVING the fact that young black males shoot each other in New York City at an ALARMING rate "

Its only idiotic to claim BLM doesnt care about that or pretend you are not attempting to change the conversation when saying this. It would be like me asking why dont whites care about the white on white violent crimes when youre talking about breast cancer.

?? what does breast cancer have to do with the out of sight murder rate---black on black--- in east NY (brooklyn) ?? The situation is very close to me because I lived in the midst of it for many years. If the BLM
movement were CONCERNED about the black on black murder rate --------why do they keep their concern a secret and even delve into moronic sophistry in trying to blame it on "white racism"?

" ?? what does breast cancer have to do with the out of sight murder rate---black on black--- in east NY (brooklyn) ?? "

I couldnt have set you up better if I had tried.

My answer to that is...exactly? What does the fact that people that are paid to prevent crime are killing, harassing, and brutalizing Black people have to do with Black on Black crime?

now you are positing an IDIOT question which suggests that YOU HAVE NO IDEA about that which goes on out there in the street. Out there in the streets-----there is lots of VIOLENCE. the cops face the same or even
more violence when they show up. In all my years of
confronting violent arrestees in padded rooms-----I have NEVER witnessed a cop pop in and shoot the handcuffed guy in the head. In fact---they made it
to jail ALIVE

I grew up in the streets and witnessed nearly everyday the violence the police instigate and actively support in Black communities. You cant tell me anything because I know what I personally witnessed along with like experiences from Black people all over the country.

ok-----can you describe a specific episode in which cops confronted, for no reason at all, random black
people for the purpose of instigating violence?. If you do not mind----it might help if you state the location of the event

Sure. One of my buddies decided not to run when the cops came after us for no reason. To this day he cant see good out of his left eye because the cops beat his ass. This was in Oakland CA. He was a straight A student and had never committed a crime in his life.

you guys were just sitting around reading superman comics and the COPS DESCENDED? tell me another idiot lie. What does his grade point average have to do with the situation? That's it? He cannot "see good" out of his left eye? An old man I know---severely crippled with the after effects of Polio----was ATTACKED by a black woman in her midthirties for NO REASON-----she tried to stick a box cutter in his eye------she did manage to put a slash in the palm of his left hand ----when he held it up to protect his eye from the bitch------he has some cutaneous sensory nerve damage-------because of todays politics-----the bitch got off scott free,

"you guys were just sitting around reading superman comics and the COPS DESCENDED? "

No. We were walking to the store and the cops descended. You asked for an episode. I didnt ask for and nor do I care that you accept it. Dont get angry about it. I have plenty of other personal experiences like a cop putting a gun to my head at the age of nine because I had committed the heinous crime of walking home from the playground. If you think that him getting his ass beat to the point they damaged his eyesight is no big deal then there really isnt a need to further the conversation. I mentioned that he was a straight A student because he wanted to join the military and become a pilot but was turned down due to his injuries.

for several years, I walked RIGHT THRU ---the place now called EAST NY---twice per day----about a mile.
How come I never saw even a GLIMMER of what you describe------in fact I never saw cops. What I did see----were the dead or near dead bodies of the young black males shot in the head by other black males. BTW ----did any of those BEATEN UP kids get medical care anywhere? I would have seen them too. I saw some other beaten up people------but not beaten up by cops. I am not sure how many will die in east NY --this weekend. I should add----that I did see lots of people complaining that the COP HAD HURT him/her----somehow nothing on examination no matter HOW MUCH I examined

" How come I never saw even a GLIMMER of what you describe---- "

Probably because you dont live in a Black community and youre white. I didnt just walk through my community twice a day for a couple of years. I lived there for 18 straight years before returning for 5 more. Your lack of experience is irrelevant to the subject. You can deny all you want but that wont change the facts.

wrong again----I also lived there for a time----HOWEVER no matter where you LIVE---you never
get to know what is going on compared to what the hospital staff in the area KNOWS. Everything and everyone------somewhere along the line----ends up in the hospital-----both the criminals and the people they injure and the cops -----EVERYONE. For years----just about everyone who got dragged off to RIKERS----got evaluated in my hospital------scores of them by me.
..... and the injured cops-----but that's ok
PIG LIFE DOES NOT MATTER
btw----do black cops love killing blacks too?

 

[22lcidw]

It means just what it says. I'll give you an example. A white person says something idiotic like why doesnt BLM care about Black on Black crime. The conversation that would follow would be uncomfortable for you because you would have to think and listen which apparently makes white people uncomfortable.

Do you ever believe we all overthink things?

 

[Rocko]

BS ^^^^^^^^^^^ comparing numbers of
DEATHS is absolutely ON POINT. And comparing
numbers of GRIEVOUS injury is also ON POINT.

The issue is not the number of deaths, never has been.
If black on black murder resulted in a free pass for the killer, blacks would be protesting. But our prisons are full of blacks convicted of murder.

Not so with police who are given a free pass regardless of guilt.

There are plenty of times where blacks get away with murdering other blacks and there’s no outrage. Getting a murder conviction is not always easy. The fact is that when blacks kill other blacks there’s little interest in the cases, and that’s not because all blacks go to prison when they murder. I think your argument is ridiculous

Yea....tell it to all the blacks in prison how easy the court system is on them

The burden of proof is on you to show that the conviction rate for blacks is higher than that of whites on murder charges.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

What the hell are people talking about? They talk race and racism all the time and then say it’s time for people to have uncomfortable conversations about race. What are they talking about?

Dude. Did you notice that you have to pay $15 to get informed?

This is a conversation that needs to happen, but it costs $15 to get informed

There is a book written by the brilliant Black man, Emmanuel Acho, who Oprah Winfrey interviewed recently that has drawn the attention of the racist white conservative mother fuckers. At his web site he promotes his book as having the answers to correct the AmeriKKKa racist problem; and he wants...

www.usmessageboard.com

The publishers have to be trying to market this to Black Lives Matter nut jobs, because the racist white people that is appears to be written for are not going to pay $15!

It's damn insanity.

 

[Andylusion]

BS ^^^^^^^^^^^ comparing numbers of
DEATHS is absolutely ON POINT. And comparing
numbers of GRIEVOUS injury is also ON POINT.

The issue is not the number of deaths, never has been.
If black on black murder resulted in a free pass for the killer, blacks would be protesting. But our prisons are full of blacks convicted of murder.

Not so with police who are given a free pass regardless of guilt.

There are plenty of times where blacks get away with murdering other blacks and there’s no outrage. Getting a murder conviction is not always easy. The fact is that when blacks kill other blacks there’s little interest in the cases, and that’s not because all blacks go to prison when they murder. I think your argument is ridiculous

Yea....tell it to all the blacks in prison how easy the court system is on them

Given the fact, that I would wager half of them honestly deserve the death penalty... yeah, they should be talking about how easy the court system is on them.

 

[Andylusion]

you didn't disprove the fact that it is RARE for a cop to unjustifiably kill someone = you are just babbling

Again you demonstrate how clueless Conservatives are.

Police are held to a higher standard than criminals, so comparing number of deaths is meaningless

The concern of BLM is the indifference (especially among conservatives) towards black deaths by police. In the past, Police just played the self defense card or resisting arrest and got a free pass.
Now we see video and realize how senseless and unnecessary these deaths are.

Accountability by police is not a bad thing

So what you are saying is, you don't care about black people dying.

That is in effect, what you are saying.

Because police killing criminals is unavoidable, as long as criminals fight or resist police.

Unavoidable.
So if you attack police for every single police caused death, you will have no police.

Which is in fact what we are seeing. All the areas where police are attacked, the police are disappearing. And I can't blame them. Who wants to be sent to prison for doing exactly what they are paid and taught to do?

So no police.

Result... chaos, crime, violence, death.

So you don't care about black people dying. You couldn't are less.

Black Americans Want Police to Retain Local Presence

It's not so much the volume of interactions Black Americans have with the police that troubles them or differentiates them from other racial groups, but rather the quality of those interactions.

news.gallup.com

But black people in general, don't support your position. They want police. They don't want them leaving. That's because they know how your views result in their deaths.

Once again, we on the right-wing... we're just flat out better people than you.

 

[Andylusion]

you didn't disprove the fact that it is RARE for a cop to unjustifiably kill someone = you are just babbling

Again you demonstrate how clueless Conservatives are.

Police are held to a higher standard than criminals, so comparing number of deaths is meaningless

The concern of BLM is the indifference (especially among conservatives) towards black deaths by police. In the past, Police just played the self defense card or resisting arrest and got a free pass.
Now we see video and realize how senseless and unnecessary these deaths are.

Accountability by police is not a bad thing

hahhahah
AGAIN--you do not prove anything...you do not disprove the facts--you are still babbling
....it doesn't matter if police are held to a higher standard---if they are not murdering anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahhahahaha DUH
...no self defense card----it is self defense

And police interaction with the public is not limited to just murder.

Beatings and physical intimidation also adds to the negative reputation of police.

Thankfully, the camera tells all.
If the guy has it coming, the camera will show that
If police overstep their authority, camera also shows that.

Most of the examples I've seen, the people getting beaten, deserved it. Again, the polls shows support for police, contrary to your BS crap based opinion.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

Why is the distinction between “crime” and interracial crime so important? BLM only cares when blacks are killed by whites and not a peep about blacks killing blacks. Sorry there’s no justification for that attitude

The problem with Black people's reasoning has to do with the disorderly evolution of events following the abolishment of slavery. It was not done correctly, because Black people were essentially illiterate and unable to represent themselves in the flawed government. The sympathetic white people did not have efficient solutions, because the technology (to smarten (black) people) was not available; and so, the racists, were better enabled by default of the representation equation and limits of the technology. And Black people have developed a culture that blames white people for their inadequacies.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

I grew up in the streets and witnessed nearly everyday the violence the police instigate and actively support in Black communities. You cant tell me anything because I know what I personally witnessed along with like experiences from Black people all over the country.

And, Black people do not know what to do other than to riot, and beg white people to write legislation that will make things right; and if they cannot do that, then defund the police, because the forces are programmed, in their training, with a racial bias against black people.

The solution is segregation; but black people are programmed to reject that, because the history of segregation was erroneously biased, because black people were deficient, because of the lack of technology and manpower to bring them "up to speed." And Black people remain a step, or two, behind in sophistication, because they could not build trust among themselves during the turbulent drug era of the 70's and 80's, and that has perpetuated and maintained their ghetto/gansta culture that blames white people for their inabilities to discipline their communities.

Black people need to have a municipality all to themselves - no white people fucking with them.

Understand me? You ever heard of Black Wall Street? Bet you can't do it again!

 

[Asclepias]

I grew up in the streets and witnessed nearly everyday the violence the police instigate and actively support in Black communities. You cant tell me anything because I know what I personally witnessed along with like experiences from Black people all over the country.

And, Black people do not know what to do other than to riot, and beg white people to write legislation that will make things right; and if they cannot do that, then defund the police, because the forces are programmed, in their training, with a racial bias against black people.

The solution is segregation; but black people are programmed to reject that, because the history of segregation was erroneously biased, because black people were deficient, because of the lack of technology and manpower to bring them "up to speed." And Black people remain a step or two behind in sophistication, because they could not build trust among themselves during the turbulent drug era of the 70's and 80's, and that has perpetuated and maintained their ghetto/gansta culture that blames white people for their inabilities to discipline their communities.

Black people need to have a municipality all to themselves - no white people fucking with them.

Understand me? You ever heard of Black Wall Street? Bet you can't do it again!

Unless its self segregation I aint falling for it. Theres no way my tax money is going to go to some white state institution that I cant go to. The problem with your theory is that whites have historically shown they cant bear dealing with the idea of Black people becoming prosperous. They have firebombed every thriving Black community in existence and either stolen the land after running the Blacks off or making it impossible for them to rebuild by using legislation. Ironically I had Black Wall Street in mind. Thats just one of many examples. Before Black people fell for the okie doke with Civil Rights they were better off than they are now. We should have stopped at voting rights. We should have known something was wrong when we were encouraged to shop and eat at white establishments. That killed the circulation of the Black dollar in the our communities. It brought the police in our communities as a control measure, and ultimately the war against drug to facilitate the Industrial Prison Complex.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

Oh my - you is real smart. That solves the problem and explains how Black people is in control.

Unless its self segregation I aint falling for it. Theres no way my tax money is going to go to some white state institution that I cant go to.

You think that white supremacy could pull that off in contemporary American society???

Do you think that white people could enact segregation that would go back to Jim Crow? And there would be Black people who would be so dumb as to remain in such a state???

And you think white racist would tolerate Black residents, because they need the labor???

Dude. Your thinking is so unsophisticated. You need some serious reprogramming - they fucked you up.

 

[harmonica]

you didn't disprove the fact that it is RARE for a cop to unjustifiably kill someone = you are just babbling

Again you demonstrate how clueless Conservatives are.

Police are held to a higher standard than criminals, so comparing number of deaths is meaningless

The concern of BLM is the indifference (especially among conservatives) towards black deaths by police. In the past, Police just played the self defense card or resisting arrest and got a free pass.
Now we see video and realize how senseless and unnecessary these deaths are.

Accountability by police is not a bad thing

hahhahah
AGAIN--you do not prove anything...you do not disprove the facts--you are still babbling
....it doesn't matter if police are held to a higher standard---if they are not murdering anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahhahahaha DUH
...no self defense card----it is self defense

And police interaction with the public is not limited to just murder.

Beatings and physical intimidation also adds to the negative reputation of police.

Thankfully, the camera tells all.
If the guy has it coming, the camera will show that
If police overstep their authority, camera also shows that.

hahahahhahaha
how many times are you going to fk up???!!!!
....you haven't proved shit--that's your last chance--I've given you many chances to prove police brutality or racism is a problem---and what do you do??? you babble crap

 

[irosie91]

from the butterfly

"Unless its self segregation I aint falling for it. Theres no way my tax money is going to go to some white state institution that I cant go to"

anyone know to what "white state institution"
asclepias refers

 

[$ecular#eckler]

I think he is referring to state colleges that receive federal funding in the context that there will be states that only allow black people to vote and states that only allow white people to vote - segregation.

 

[USAF 2023]

It means just what it says. I'll give you an example. A white person says something idiotic like why doesnt BLM care about Black on Black crime. The conversation that would follow would be uncomfortable for you because you would have to think and listen which apparently makes white people uncomfortable.

Why would it make White people uncomfortable ?Black Crime including Murders, Robber, Vandalism, other acts of Violence have increased over 100 percent in a lot of areas

 

[Asclepias]

It means just what it says. I'll give you an example. A white person says something idiotic like why doesnt BLM care about Black on Black crime. The conversation that would follow would be uncomfortable for you because you would have to think and listen which apparently makes white people uncomfortable.

Why would it make White people uncomfortable ?Black Crime including Murders, Robber, Vandalism, other acts of Violence have increased over 100 percent in a lot of areas

I answered this already. Most white people have an inferiority complex due to being last to civilization and having defective genes. This causes them extreme discomfort when their made up alternate reality is challenged with facts.