Jesus was a rich conservative industrialist

[elektra]

Jesus,
Was he poor.
The most powerful man in the world, poor? A Liberal?

Nope, not at all.

Jesus's advice results in record profit for early fisherman.

John 21 - Jesus and the Miraculous Catch of Fish - Bible Gateway

Jesus and the Miraculous Catch of Fish

21 Afterward Jesus appeared again to his disciples, by the Sea of Galilee.[a] It happened this way: 2 Simon Peter, Thomas (also known as Didymus), Nathanael from Cana in Galilee, the sons of Zebedee, and two other disciples were together. 3 “I’m going out to fish,” Simon Peter told them, and they said, “We’ll go with you.” So they went out and got into the boat, but that night they caught nothing.

4 Early in the morning, Jesus stood on the shore, but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus.

5 He called out to them, “Friends, haven’t you any fish?”

“No,” they answered.

6 He said, “Throw your net on the right side of the boat and you will find some.” When they did, they were unable to haul the net in because of the large number of fish.

7 Then the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, “It is the Lord!” As soon as Simon Peter heard him say, “It is the Lord,” he wrapped his outer garment around him (for he had taken it off) and jumped into the water. 8 The other disciples followed in the boat, towing the net full of fish, for they were not far from shore, about a hundred yards.[c] 9 When they landed, they saw a fire of burning coals there with fish on it, and some bread.

10 Jesus said to them, “Bring some of the fish you have just caught.” 11 So Simon Peter climbed back into the boat and dragged the net ashore. It was full of large fish, 153, but even with so many the net was not torn. 12 Jesus said to them, “Come and have breakfast.” None of the disciples dared ask him, “Who are you?” They knew it was the Lord. 13 Jesus came, took the bread and gave it to them, and did the same with the fish. 14 This was now the third time Jesus appeared to his disciples after he was raised from the dead.

Yes, early in history, Jesus proves the value of Capitalism as a way to avoid Socialism.

 

[emilynghiem]

Jesus,
Was he poor.
The most powerful man in the world, poor? A Liberal?

Nope, not at all.

Jesus's advice results in record profit for early fisherman.

John 21 - Jesus and the Miraculous Catch of Fish - Bible Gateway

Jesus and the Miraculous Catch of Fish

21 Afterward Jesus appeared again to his disciples, by the Sea of Galilee.[a] It happened this way: 2 Simon Peter, Thomas (also known as Didymus), Nathanael from Cana in Galilee, the sons of Zebedee, and two other disciples were together. 3 “I’m going out to fish,” Simon Peter told them, and they said, “We’ll go with you.” So they went out and got into the boat, but that night they caught nothing.

4 Early in the morning, Jesus stood on the shore, but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus.

5 He called out to them, “Friends, haven’t you any fish?”

“No,” they answered.

6 He said, “Throw your net on the right side of the boat and you will find some.” When they did, they were unable to haul the net in because of the large number of fish.

7 Then the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, “It is the Lord!” As soon as Simon Peter heard him say, “It is the Lord,” he wrapped his outer garment around him (for he had taken it off) and jumped into the water. 8 The other disciples followed in the boat, towing the net full of fish, for they were not far from shore, about a hundred yards.[c] 9 When they landed, they saw a fire of burning coals there with fish on it, and some bread.

10 Jesus said to them, “Bring some of the fish you have just caught.” 11 So Simon Peter climbed back into the boat and dragged the net ashore. It was full of large fish, 153, but even with so many the net was not torn. 12 Jesus said to them, “Come and have breakfast.” None of the disciples dared ask him, “Who are you?” They knew it was the Lord. 13 Jesus came, took the bread and gave it to them, and did the same with the fish. 14 This was now the third time Jesus appeared to his disciples after he was raised from the dead.

Yes, early in history, Jesus proves the value of Capitalism as a way to avoid Socialism.

I will agree with you that the "abundance mentality" is the success formula of the financially independent who know the process of investing in and growing wealth
by investing in and serving others

(vs. the "scarcity mentality" that keeps people trapped in victimhood, oppression,
and feeling enslaved or dependent on others out of powerlessness)

However, the concept of teaching people to fish and support themselves independently
is universal and not limited to just capitalism.

The Green/sustainable programs and liberal outreach in microlending and business training are based on this principle.

See also Grameen Foundation | Connecting the World's Poor to Their Potential
Ithaca Hours - Local Currency - Ithaca, New York

Any number of "fair trade" progressive groups (where farmers or other workers are trained to manage their own resources under their own shared ownership instead of selling out to third party brokers who take most of their profits) are also based on "free enterprise" which capitalism is based on as well.

 

[elektra]

However, the concept of teaching people to fish and support themselves independently
is universal and not limited to just capitalism

You are right, failing Socialist have introduced the concepts of Capitalism into their societies.

Except, Grameen is a Socialist failure now responsible for poverty in all they have touched.

Small loans given to people who had no concept of loans, now forced to work for Grameen, not even close to the ideals Jesus expressed.

 

[amrchaos]

Jesus,
Was he poor.
The most powerful man in the world, poor? A Liberal?

Nope, not at all.

Jesus's advice results in record profit for early fisherman.

John 21 - Jesus and the Miraculous Catch of Fish - Bible Gateway

Jesus and the Miraculous Catch of Fish

21 Afterward Jesus appeared again to his disciples, by the Sea of Galilee.[a] It happened this way: 2 Simon Peter, Thomas (also known as Didymus), Nathanael from Cana in Galilee, the sons of Zebedee, and two other disciples were together. 3 “I’m going out to fish,” Simon Peter told them, and they said, “We’ll go with you.” So they went out and got into the boat, but that night they caught nothing.

4 Early in the morning, Jesus stood on the shore, but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus.

5 He called out to them, “Friends, haven’t you any fish?”

“No,” they answered.

6 He said, “Throw your net on the right side of the boat and you will find some.” When they did, they were unable to haul the net in because of the large number of fish.

7 Then the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, “It is the Lord!” As soon as Simon Peter heard him say, “It is the Lord,” he wrapped his outer garment around him (for he had taken it off) and jumped into the water. 8 The other disciples followed in the boat, towing the net full of fish, for they were not far from shore, about a hundred yards.[c] 9 When they landed, they saw a fire of burning coals there with fish on it, and some bread.

10 Jesus said to them, “Bring some of the fish you have just caught.” 11 So Simon Peter climbed back into the boat and dragged the net ashore. It was full of large fish, 153, but even with so many the net was not torn. 12 Jesus said to them, “Come and have breakfast.” None of the disciples dared ask him, “Who are you?” They knew it was the Lord. 13 Jesus came, took the bread and gave it to them, and did the same with the fish. 14 This was now the third time Jesus appeared to his disciples after he was raised from the dead.

Yes, early in history, Jesus proves the value of Capitalism as a way to avoid Socialism.

I am of the understanding that the disciples,along with Jesus aid, caught alot of fish. But what I am missing is what did they do with that fish?

Did they sell it? That is Capitalism
Did they give some away?--That sounds a bit like socialism.

Or did they let the fish rot in the net? Now that would be Communism!!

 

[elektra]

Jesus,
Was he poor.
The most powerful man in the world, poor? A Liberal?

Nope, not at all.

Jesus's advice results in record profit for early fisherman.

John 21 - Jesus and the Miraculous Catch of Fish - Bible Gateway

Jesus and the Miraculous Catch of Fish

21 Afterward Jesus appeared again to his disciples, by the Sea of Galilee.[a] It happened this way: 2 Simon Peter, Thomas (also known as Didymus), Nathanael from Cana in Galilee, the sons of Zebedee, and two other disciples were together. 3 “I’m going out to fish,” Simon Peter told them, and they said, “We’ll go with you.” So they went out and got into the boat, but that night they caught nothing.

4 Early in the morning, Jesus stood on the shore, but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus.

5 He called out to them, “Friends, haven’t you any fish?”

“No,” they answered.

6 He said, “Throw your net on the right side of the boat and you will find some.” When they did, they were unable to haul the net in because of the large number of fish.

7 Then the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, “It is the Lord!” As soon as Simon Peter heard him say, “It is the Lord,” he wrapped his outer garment around him (for he had taken it off) and jumped into the water. 8 The other disciples followed in the boat, towing the net full of fish, for they were not far from shore, about a hundred yards.[c] 9 When they landed, they saw a fire of burning coals there with fish on it, and some bread.

10 Jesus said to them, “Bring some of the fish you have just caught.” 11 So Simon Peter climbed back into the boat and dragged the net ashore. It was full of large fish, 153, but even with so many the net was not torn. 12 Jesus said to them, “Come and have breakfast.” None of the disciples dared ask him, “Who are you?” They knew it was the Lord. 13 Jesus came, took the bread and gave it to them, and did the same with the fish. 14 This was now the third time Jesus appeared to his disciples after he was raised from the dead.

Yes, early in history, Jesus proves the value of Capitalism as a way to avoid Socialism.

I am of the understanding that the disciples,along with Jesus aid, caught alot of fish. But what I am missing is what did they do with that fish?

Did they sell it? That is Capitalism
Did they give some away?--That sounds a bit like socialism.

Or did they let the fish rot in the net? Now that would be Communism!!

Well, first as it states, they ate the fish.

Second, I am sure that these fisherman were not in the business of giving away fish, I think its safe to say they dried the fish, preserved the fish, sold the fish, traded the fish. They marketed their labor, their private property, as they always did.

Socialism, this was not.

 

[thebrucebeat]

Jesus,
Was he poor.
The most powerful man in the world, poor? A Liberal?

Nope, not at all.

Jesus's advice results in record profit for early fisherman.

John 21 - Jesus and the Miraculous Catch of Fish - Bible Gateway



Yes, early in history, Jesus proves the value of Capitalism as a way to avoid Socialism.

I am of the understanding that the disciples,along with Jesus aid, caught alot of fish. But what I am missing is what did they do with that fish?

Did they sell it? That is Capitalism
Did they give some away?--That sounds a bit like socialism.

Or did they let the fish rot in the net? Now that would be Communism!!

Well, first as it states, they ate the fish.

Second, I am sure that these fisherman were not in the business of giving away fish, I think its safe to say they dried the fish, preserved the fish, sold the fish, traded the fish. They marketed their labor, their private property, as they always did.

Socialism, this was not.

Scriptural evidence?
None.
Capitalist wet dream?
Definitely!
If a man asks for your shirt, give him your cloak as well.
Then ask him for ten bucks and if he doesn't have it tell him you will finance at 25%.
You're a moron.

 

[Moonglow]

Jesus was a rich industrialist in a pre-industrial world...well isn't that nice??

 

[elektra]

Jesus was a rich industrialist in a pre-industrial world...well isn't that nice??

Yep, he was, of course there were projects of that time on the scale of an industry. Pyramids come to mind, Roman Aqueducts, building of cities, farming, are these not industries? What about the slave trade, was this not an industry?

Yes, there was industry back then, minting of coins, another industry, Roman pottery another industry.

Do you believe there was no industry in the world before the Industrial Revolution?

 

[MaryL]

Ya'all realize Jesus was fiction, right? like the Will o' the wisp or sasquatch or the chucacabra or vampires. Yeah. You knew that already.

 

[elektra]

I am of the understanding that the disciples,along with Jesus aid, caught alot of fish. But what I am missing is what did they do with that fish?

Did they sell it? That is Capitalism
Did they give some away?--That sounds a bit like socialism.

Or did they let the fish rot in the net? Now that would be Communism!!

Well, first as it states, they ate the fish.

Second, I am sure that these fisherman were not in the business of giving away fish, I think its safe to say they dried the fish, preserved the fish, sold the fish, traded the fish. They marketed their labor, their private property, as they always did.

Socialism, this was not.

Scriptural evidence?
None.
Capitalist wet dream?
Definitely!
If a man asks for your shirt, give him your cloak as well.
Then ask him for ten bucks and if he doesn't have it tell him you will finance at 25%.
You're a moron.

Well, technically they worked for the Roman Empire, not themselves, not under the free system of Capitalism, which is good, Jesus was the opposite of the times, teaching something new, freedom, the choice to choose.

A rich man in many ways, able to provide fish to his followers, not the opposite which would be telling his flock to ask the government to rule and regulate their religious beliefs.

Jesus taught the people to break away from the ideas that government tell you how to think.

Jesus advocating deregulation, like a good Capitalist.

One God was the idea Jesus marketed, that was free market Capitalism, Tea Party Capitalism. Taking the control away from Government that ruled and regulated, thought.

 

[elektra]

Ya'all realize Jesus was fiction, right? like the Will o' the wisp or sasquatch or the chucacabra or vampires. Yeah. You knew that already.

The idea that we are free to think and express ourselves as we believe was fiction?

 

[Vandalshandle]

Every now and then, one feels the need to visit an alternative universe...and this thread certainly fills the bill! However, I can not stay long because, well, it is kind of like taking an LSD trip. One does not know just how to get back to the real world if one stays too long...

 

[Moonglow]

So I see you are trying to twist capitalism and Jesus......yeah everything was cool with Jesus and free capitalism until it collapsed upon itself in 1929...

 

[elektra]

So I see you are trying to twist capitalism and Jesus......yeah everything was cool with Jesus and free capitalism until it collapsed upon itself in 1929...

Jesus spoke against governments that were not Capitalist.

Jesus did not like the system of government that existed and advocated against the governments control of thought.

Free Capitalism, that never existed, the collapse of stocks? I guess that is better than confronting your ideas.

 

[thebrucebeat]

So I see you are trying to twist capitalism and Jesus......yeah everything was cool with Jesus and free capitalism until it collapsed upon itself in 1929...

Jesus spoke against governments that were not Capitalist.

Jesus did not like the system of government that existed and advocated against the governments control of thought.

Free Capitalism, that never existed, the collapse of stocks? I guess that is better than confronting your ideas.

You know nothing about our laissez-faire economy and how it destroyed our economy, do you?

 

[elektra]

So I see you are trying to twist capitalism and Jesus......yeah everything was cool with Jesus and free capitalism until it collapsed upon itself in 1929...

Jesus spoke against governments that were not Capitalist.

Jesus did not like the system of government that existed and advocated against the governments control of thought.

Free Capitalism, that never existed, the collapse of stocks? I guess that is better than confronting your ideas.

You know nothing about our laissez-faire economy and how it destroyed our economy, do you?

Yes, the innocent liberal/progressive is never responsible for anything, are they, go start a thread about it and see how successful you are. Should be brilliant, I can't wait.

 

[Avatar4321]

Parable of the laborers. Parable of the Talents.

Jesus was rich, just his riches were different than the worlds standards.

He was conservative in that He was restoring the faith of His Father.

He worked hard as a builder and than in his ministry. I suppose that could make him an industrialist.

BTW giving away fish doesn't make you liberal. Having the government take the fish from the other fisherman and having the government give those away does.

 

[Moonglow]

Parable of the laborers. Parable of the Talents.

Jesus was rich, just his riches were different than the worlds standards.

He was conservative in that He was restoring the faith of His Father.

He worked hard as a builder and than in his ministry. I suppose that could make him an industrialist.

BTW giving away fish doesn't make you liberal. Having the government take the fish from the other fisherman and having the government give those away does.

Evidently God provided the fish and loaves of bread available, fortunately God is not stingy and does not mind people taking his blessings of the Earth...

 

[thebrucebeat]

Jesus spoke against governments that were not Capitalist.

Jesus did not like the system of government that existed and advocated against the governments control of thought.

Free Capitalism, that never existed, the collapse of stocks? I guess that is better than confronting your ideas.

You know nothing about our laissez-faire economy and how it destroyed our economy, do you?

Yes, the innocent liberal/progressive is never responsible for anything, are they, go start a thread about it and see how successful you are. Should be brilliant, I can't wait.

Just say "No, I know nothing about it" and move on.

 

[Moonglow]

So I see you are trying to twist capitalism and Jesus......yeah everything was cool with Jesus and free capitalism until it collapsed upon itself in 1929...

Jesus spoke against governments that were not Capitalist.

Jesus did not like the system of government that existed and advocated against the governments control of thought.

Free Capitalism, that never existed, the collapse of stocks? I guess that is better than confronting your ideas.

Then render unto Caesar what is Caesar's' and render unto God what is God's. Does not sound like a man with a philosophy that revolted against his govt. of Rome..He did not like his own religious leaders either, but it has nothing to do with unfettered capitalism....


Now stocks failed because the unregulation of business was what the leaders of the US believed in unbridled capitalism. The only requirements by law were on trusts and monopolies which killed competition. Capitalism has been successful but it has been altered during the years to protect consumers and require businesses to act in an ethical manner..but now we have a new problem...

Rising human population and increasing per capita consumption of finite resources have brought mankind face to face with the limits of the planet. If the rest of the world could potentially consume planetary resources at the same per capita rate as the US and Europe, developed countries would have plenty to sell to developing countries, and vice versa. There would be economic growth everywhere. Instead the world is facing an economic crisis. The resource limits of the planet are impeding global economic growth and consequently causing the current economic crisis. This is the first time that the resource limits of the planet have caused an economic crisis.

with the population explosion of the last 40 years we see..

Even though global economic growth is slowing, many developing countries are growing rapidly. Growing labor pools in developing countries are competitively taking work away from developed countries. The migration of industries is an obvious example of migration of jobs from developed to developing countries. Part of growth in developing countries is coming at the cost of growth in developed countries.

Free Capitalism Free Capitalism New Capitalism Sustainable Capitalism Free Capitalism

Jesus did not have the problems we face today in free capitalism..If you are going to try and use Jesus to expound your theory then some quotes from Jesus on the subject would help your position...fyi