Zone1 Jesus was a Cult?

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I am guessing you think I am here to "win" the thread, this thread, or any thread .... and that I care whether or not you accept my proof. There are those who do and those who don't. I have circumnavigated the earth overland and I am certain flat-earthers are not impressed. Ask me if it causes me any lost sleep. Christianity is a CULT and I have proved it. Deal with it in your own way. It is YOUR PROBLEM, not mine.

You are here to subvert. You are a subversive.

 

[Hafar1014]

That's true. My opinion isn't proof but it is the proof itself that has shaped my opinion.

Thats valid youre going to upset ding dong

 

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Thats valid youre going to upset ding dong

You think circular logic is valid? Of course you do. SMH.

 

[Clyde 154]

The circular argument is quoting the bible as reference to anything at all.

You can't even decide if the authors of the bible are referring to Jesus or to god, so the hokus-pokus method is to say they are one and the same while still maintaining (falsely) that you believe in one god.

Pointing to what is printed upon currency is your motivating support of god? Ho-ho.

I have presented reports by historical facts. You are offering a circular argument by quoting the superstitious bible. My case is solid, yours is fantasy.

He witnessed the birth of the Messiah, is that it? Are there any other miracles he can attest to?

I'd really like to hear a sensible argument against accusing Christianity of being a CULT. It seems there are none. But I'll keep the idea open just in case.

More circular reason based upon your logical fallacy? Why continue the never ending ignorant circle? With "respect".......you have the right to your opinion as per the guaranteed rights found to exist in this free republic founded upon principles of Blackstone's commentaries that deeply referenced the Holy Bible.....I will never ignore the facts in evidence based upon emotional disconnect to the reality that surrounds us.

Blackstone's commentaries on the laws of England: lawshun.com/article/how-many-bible-verses-are-in-blackstones-commantary-of-law

I do find it highly illogical and hypocritical that you would use this very system of personal freedoms, all backed by those same principles documented by history actual.........to declare them as useless and cultish.

"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." -- Luke 23:24

 

[GLASNOST]

More circular reason based upon your logical fallacy?

If you had anything worth saying you would have said it by now. But alas ....... nothing. But that's good! You base your belief upon nothing and that's what you've got. Congradulations! You have suceeded!

 

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If you had anything worth saying you would have said it by now. But alas ....... nothing. But that's good! You base your belief upon nothing and that's what you've got. Congradulations! You have suceeded!

Your hate fueled rhetoric isn't worth saying but you still say it. But to your point, Clyde has said worthwhile things. So you are wrong. Again.

 

[Clyde 154]

If you had anything worth saying you would have said it by now. But alas ....... nothing. But that's good! You base your belief upon nothing and that's what you've got. Congradulations! You have suceeded!

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The NT nor OT ever cites the apocrypha either.

Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him

1 Enoch 1:9 is a pivotal eschatological prophecy describing the Lord’s return with heavenly hosts to execute divine judgment, destroy the ungodly, and establish peace for the righteous. Famously cited in the New Testament book of Jude (verses 14–15), it outlines a final reckoning against sinners for their harsh words and wicked acts.

 

[Churchill]

Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him

1 Enoch 1:9 is a pivotal eschatological prophecy describing the Lord’s return with heavenly hosts to execute divine judgment, destroy the ungodly, and establish peace for the righteous. Famously cited in the New Testament book of Jude (verses 14–15), it outlines a final reckoning against sinners for their harsh words and wicked acts.

I agree that is a compelling example, I won't contest it here. But the key question that my own post arose from is how does one determine which ancient literature is inspired?

After all there is no inspired book that tells us which other books are inspired, there are even schools of thought that say the epistles are not inspired and we should only heed the gospels and acts.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

After all there is no inspired book that tells us which other books are inspired, there are even schools of thought that say the epistles are not inspired and we should only heed the gospels and acts.

The NT is built on the "Old." The OT as we have it today Is the inspired Word.
Beyond that, If it doesnt conflict with the Bible you know, some of these books are worth being familiar with -- after all, Jesus and the apostles did refrence them. We do know some are NOT legitimate. This is where discernment comes in

 

[Clyde 154]

I agree that is a compelling example, I won't contest it here. But the key question that my own post arose from is how does one determine which ancient literature is inspired?

After all there is no inspired book that tells us which other books are inspired, there are even schools of thought that say the epistles are not inspired and we should only heed the gospels and acts.

The question? How to determine the inspired text over the "apocryphal" text? The use of the scientific method of comparative analysis eliminates the supposed inspired from the canon of the 27 books that make up the New Testament.

Comparative Analysis is a method that makes side by side comparisons of the actual historical texts in the early church (these writings that were manually copied by hand on cheap paper by candlelight in early 2nd century through the 3rd century).

One must realize that the canon of the N.T. contains the very center of all Christian Faith. Without this canon, there would be no method to determine true faith and a faith constructed upon the unprovable text of the Apocrypha.

These 27 books have stood as truth for 21 hundred years... and the scriptures remain unbroken, as promised by Jesus Christ. "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My Words will never pass away...." -- Matt. 24:35

There are no actual historical manuscripts to compare? First and foremost we have the "Dead Sea Scrolls". The scrolls demonstrates accuracy of the N.T. record. Jesus is often found quoting from the O.T. "Septuagint" version of the O.T. (Greek). Greek was the universal language of the 1st century. These quotes from Jesus perfectly match with O.T. text. The Septuagint version of the O.T. was officially adopted by the Jewish leaders (6 Rabbis) around 285-246 BC as recorded by history in the "Letter of Aristus".

 

[GLASNOST]

..... how does one determine which ancient literature is inspired?

If you tweak it then you have created a CULT. CHRISTIANITY IS A CULT OF JUDAISM. That is the whole point of this thread. The Jews created (ambiguous) the Messiah, what it means, and how to identify it. Christians are saying, "No, no, no, Jesus is the Messiah and you Jews have now murdered him!" The Jews also said there is only one God but the Christians came along afterwards to say, "No, no, no, God is three!". That is the CULT and that is why we are here in this discussion.

 

[Churchill]

If you tweak it then you have created a CULT. CHRISTIANITY IS A CULT OF JUDAISM. That is the whole point of this thread. The Jews created (ambiguous) the Messiah, what it means, and how to identify it. Christians are saying, "No, no, no, Jesus is the Messiah and you Jews have now murdered him!" The Jews also said there is only one God but the Christians came along afterwards to say, "No, no, no, God is three!". That is the CULT and that is why we are here in this discussion.

By the same kind of reasoning then modern radical atheism too is a cult, if you want to argue that with me go ahead, I'm willing to do that.

Are you opposed to a cult of Christ or all cults in general?

 

[Hafar1014]

You think circular logic is valid? Of course you do. SMH.

The NT is built on the "Old." The OT as we have it today Is the inspired Word.
Beyond that, If it doesnt conflict with the Bible you know, some of these books are worth being familiar with -- after all, Jesus and the apostles did refrence them. We do know some are NOT legitimate. This is where discernment comes in

The NT has nothing to do with the OT

 

[Churchill]

The question? How to determine the inspired text over the "apocryphal" text? The use of the scientific method of comparative analysis eliminates the supposed inspired from the canon of the 27 books that make up the New Testament.

Comparative Analysis is a method that makes side by side comparisons of the actual historical texts in the early church (these writings that were manually copied by hand on cheap paper by candlelight in early 2nd century through the 3rd century).

One must realize that the canon of the N.T. contains the very center of all Christian Faith. Without this canon, there would be no method to determine true faith and a faith constructed upon the unprovable text of the Apocrypha.

These 27 books have stood as truth for 21 hundred years... and the scriptures remain unbroken, as promised by Jesus Christ. "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My Words will never pass away...." -- Matt. 24:35

There are no actual historical manuscripts to compare? First and foremost we have the "Dead Sea Scrolls". The scrolls demonstrates accuracy of the N.T. record. Jesus is often found quoting from the O.T. "Septuagint" version of the O.T. (Greek). Greek was the universal language of the 1st century. These quotes from Jesus perfectly match with O.T. text. The Septuagint version of the O.T. was officially adopted by the Jewish leaders (6 Rabbis) around 285-246 BC as recorded by history in the "Letter of Aristus".

Are you claiming that one can prove that a piece of literature was supernaturally inspired?

 

[GLASNOST]

By the same kind of reasoning then modern radical atheism too is a cult, if you want to argue that with me go ahead, I'm willing to do that.

I made a statement. Deal with it.

Are you opposed to a cult of Christ or all cults in general?

Read the title of this thread.

 

[Churchill]

I made a statement. Deal with it.

Read the title of this thread.

That doesn't tell me whether you are opposed to all cults or just some, are you or aren't you?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

That doesn't tell me whether you are opposed to all cults or just some, are you or aren't you?

Christianity fills the definition of a cult. I'm okay with that. The non believing world will say we follow a "man". We say he was much more than that

 

[Churchill]

Christianity fills the definition of a cult. I'm okay with that. The non believing world will say we follow a "man". We say he was much more than that

Right to the thread is more or less vacuous, stating the obvious.

 

[GLASNOST]

That doesn't tell me whether you are opposed to all cults or just some, are you or aren't you?

If it's not in my OP then why would you expect me to tell you my whole life's story?