Zone1 "Did Jesus become Messiah at His conception?"

Did Jesus become Messiah or Moshiach at His conception?

  • Yes, Jesus became Moshiach ben David, Moshiach the Passover Lamb at His conception.

    Votes: 1 25.0%
  • I am not certain and I believe Messiah Yeshua - Jesus may have became Messiah at his birth.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I am not certain and I believe Messiah Yeshua - Jesus became Messiah at baptism by John at Jordan?

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I believe that Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus became Messiah the Passover Lamb at the temptation by Satan.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Jesus was given more and more of the "Spirit of Moshiach" during successive events in His life.

    Votes: 1 25.0%
  • Other answer, please be specific in a reply.

    Votes: 2 50.0%

  • Total voters
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God sent Jesus to be The Messiah.
Wtf you think he tested Abraham for? Shits and giggles?
No! He wanted to see if any of mankind was worth what he was going to do.
Luckily Abraham passed the test for us.


Yes!

I totally agree with you that Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus was indeed the Jewish Messiah, specifically, Moshiach ben David, [Messiah the Passover Lamb].

I do believe thought that some extremely interesting and unusual events are being set up in the tiny nation of Israel though.


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Hint: I believe that the last name of the guy who leads the Palestinians is almost certainly NOT a coincidence?!

Who broughtest down kings to destruction, and brokest easily their power in pieces, and the glorious from their bed. 7 Who heardest judgment in Sina, and in Horeb the judgments of vengeance. 8 Who anointedst kings to penance, and madest prophets successors after thee. 9 Who wast taken up in a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot of fiery horses. 10 Who art registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son, and to restore the tribes of Jacob.





 
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Truth: Paul was appointed by Jesus Christ as an Apostle to give doctrine as directed by Heaven via inspiration of God's Holy Spirit. He spoke as directed. There was no one more versed in the Old Testament teachings and Law than Paul....aka Saul, who studied under the most respected authority on Jewish Law and Scripture in the 1st century. Gamaliel.

To suggest that any supposed Jewish or Christian Theologian had more knowledge than any Christ Appointed Apostle is exactly the point. One must dismiss the actual content of the Holy Scriptures in some attempt to void the truth delivered through the Holy Spirit of God.

Its clear. God no longer speaks through PROPHECY.......He speaks through the Words delivered by Jesus Christ. (Hebrews 1:1-3), these words were delivered ONCE......not many times over the 21 hundred years since. (Jude 3)

The Faith has been delivered as promised by Jesus Christ. How does God speak to man in the 21st century? In order to reach your conclusions you must suggest that God has not changed His method of delivering truth to man since the beginning. The Holy Scriptures reveal that God has changed His method of communicating with man since the begging.
Examples from the scriptures: With Adam and Moses God spoke "mouth to mouth" directly (Gen. 3:9, Numbers 12:8). With the Old Prophets of antiquity God spoke and directed through Visions and Dreams (Isa. 1:1) But then God declared He no longer speaks directly to man or through the prophets (Heb. 1:1-2)

God speaks through Jesus examples: "He that reject Me, and receives not MY WORDS has one that Judges him; THE WORD THAT I SPOKE.....THE SAME WILL JUDGE HIM ON THE LAST DAY" -- John 12:48

Jesus teaches through His Word as delivered. "Go ye therefore and make disciples of all nations.....TEACHING THEM THINGS THAT I HAVE COMMANDED YOU......." -- Matt. 28:18,19


But could it be pure coincidence that Atheists like Howard Storm, if they have a brush with death, report meeting Messiah Yeshua - Jesus who judges them based on the words of Jesus?

And could it be pure coincidence that former Atheist Howard Storm has a radical transformation in how he approaches life after the NDE that he reports having had in 1985?


4. The Life Review of Howard Storm​

Next, they wanted to talk about my life. To my surprise my life played out before me, maybe six or eight feet in front of me, from beginning to end.

The life review was very much in their control, and they showed me my life, but not from my point of view. I saw me in my life and this whole thing was a lesson, even though I didn’t know it at the time. They were trying to teach me something, but I didn’t know it was a teaching experience, because I didn’t know that I would be coming back. We just watched my life from beginning to the end. Some things they slowed down on, and zoomed in on and other things they went right through.

My life was shown in a way that I had never thought of before. All of the things that I had worked to achieve, the recognition that I had worked for, in elementary school, in high school, in college, and in my career, they meant nothing in this setting.

I could feel their feelings of sorrow and suffering, or joy, as my life’s review unfolded. They didn’t say that something was bad or good, but I could feel it. And I could sense all those things they were indifferent to. They didn’t, for example, look down on my high school shot-put record. They just didn’t feel anything towards it, nor towards other things which I had taken so much pride in.

What they responded to was how I had interacted with other people. That was the long and short of it. Unfortunately, most of my interactions with other people didn’t measure up with how I should have interacted, which was in a loving way. Whenever I did react during my life in a loving way they rejoiced.

Most of the time I found that my interactions with other people had been manipulative. During my professional career, for example, I saw myself sitting in my office, playing the college professor, while a student came to me with a personal problem. I sat there looking compassionate, and patient, and loving, while inside I was bored to death. I would check my watch under my desk as I anxiously waited for the student to finish.

I got to go through all those kinds of experiences in the company of these magnificent beings.

When I was a teenager my father’s career put him into a high-stress, twelve-hour-a-day job. Out of my resentment because of his neglect of me, when he came home from work, I would be cold and indifferent toward him. This made him angry, and it gave me further excuse to feel hatred toward him. He and I fought, and my mother would get upset. Most of my life I had felt that my father was the villain and I was the victim. When we reviewed my life I got to see how I had precipitated so much of that, myself. Instead of greeting him happily at the end of a day, I was continually putting thorns in him in order to justify my hurt.


 
Jesus is the eternal Son of God. Jesus is the Almighty God. The beginning and the end. Jesus walked and talked with Adam in the Garden of Eden and spoke to the prophets.
 
Jesus is the eternal Son of God. Jesus is the Almighty God. The beginning and the end. Jesus walked and talked with Adam in the Garden of Eden and spoke to the prophets.

I believe that you are correct. Near death experiencer Kevin L. Zadai reports being told by Messiah Yeshua - Jesus that when Matthew chapter four was happening, Jesus could remember CREATING former Covering Cherub Helel who was now asking his own Creator less than positive questions?
 
What was Robert Marshall's response to your email?

I personally am really impressed by what Robert Marshall has accomplished in less than two years. I have very few questions for him personally because what I have been doing is listening to his books over and over again.

His books are astonishing and I cannot imagine how he could have made up what he is saying that he was told by Jesus.


I am so glad that Robert and his wife Carol include so many medical updates in their first book. All doctors and all nurses in all of this earth can be encouraged by what Robert and Carol Marshall are testifying to.

 
Or when the Holy Spirit descended on Him ...

jesus never claimed to be the jew messiah -

the 1st century events are the repudiation of judaism, false commandments claimed by the liar moses to be heavenly et al to reestablish the original heavenly goal for remission and nothing to do w/ saving jews as a particular group any more than anyone else.
 
jesus never claimed to be the jew messiah -

the 1st century events are the repudiation of judaism, false commandments claimed by the liar moses to be heavenly et al to reestablish the original heavenly goal for remission and nothing to do w/ saving jews as a particular group any more than anyone else.
According to Matthew, Luke, John, and Paul (who studied under the greatest and most learned Jewish Rabbi of the 1st century, Gamaliel (Acts 22:3), Jesus was born a Jew and practiced orthodox Judaism from cradle to grave.( Gal. 4:4) The only human to ever live on earth who lived by the very letter of Judaism under the LAW. Obedient even to facing death by Crucifixion (Phil. 2:7)

You can have any OPINION you want..........but you can't rewrite the Holy Scriptures to fit inside the obvious hate and bigotry that lives in your heart. Jesus was not a radical......He remains the most conservative Jew to have ever lived under the LAW.

Now show us how PAUL (SAUL) was wrong about Jewish history and only YOU are correct; having lived some 2100 years after the FACT.

 
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Obedient even to facing death by Crucifixion (Phil. 2:7)

facing death at the hands of the jews ...

by denying being the jew messiah or that there ever would be one made in the heavens and sent to save jews ...

was not a jew and never practiced judaism as the 1st century events are the repudiation of judaism, false commandments claimed heavenly et al as the reason for their notoriety - they did not fear the false religion..
 
facing death at the hands of the jews ...

by denying being the jew messiah or that there ever would be one made in the heavens and sent to save jews ...

was not a jew and never practiced judaism as the 1st century events are the repudiation of judaism, false commandments claimed heavenly et al as the reason for their notoriety - they did not fear the false religion..
Indeed.......at the hands of the Jews who did not follow the commandments of God....aka THE LAW as documented by the prophet Jeremiah even though God was a "husband" (married) to them. (Jeremiah 31:31-34) Simply because Jesus understood the words of the prophet and ushered in a NEW COVENANT as promised in prophecy did not make Jesus a radical (who lived and died as a loyal Jew), Jesus' life as a loyal Jew unto death simply allowed every letter of the Old Law to be fulfilled.

Jesus did not come to destroy the LAW of Moses.......He came to fulfill it, by living His earthly life sin free under the terms of THE LAW (Matthew 5:17) Thus giving Himself as the Lamb of God to be sacrificed at the alter of the LAW in order to offer salvation to the world. (John 1:29, Isa. 53:7)

It was THESE murderous Jews that were the actual radicals. The Jews who accepted Jesus as the Messiah (Savior) were the loyal remnant of the Jews who actually attempted to live by THE LAW.......this New Covenant was exclusive to the Jews for well over a decade. Paul quotes from 1 Kings 19:18 in demonstrating, ".........I have kept for MYSELF (Father God) 7 thousand men who have not bowed a knee to Baal"

The Apostle declared the truth when he recorded (Romans 9:1-33). "As it is written, Behold, I (Father God), I lay a stumbling stone, and rock of offense; (Jesus is that Rock -- ), and whosoever believeth on Him (Jesus) shall not be ashamed......." vs Rom. 9:33 There are some 100 verses declaring Jesus as THE ROCK of prophecy.

The Jews who converted to the New Testament Covenant of Jesus were not known as Christians until 10 years after the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus they were simply JEWS. (Acts 11:26)
 
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As promised by God in prophecy.....when the Jews disobeyed Him, He would destroy the nation of Israel, scattering it around the world, never to be complete again. (Jeremiah 19:7-13) Siege of Jerusalem (70 CE) - Wikipedia

Jesus told Israel of its destruction that would take place in that very generation (Matthew 23:36, 24:1-2, Mark 13:1-2)

The nation calling itself Israel is not the Israel of the Bible........no king appointed by God, no royal priesthood, no tribal ID, etc., they are governed by men not God.
 
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Jesus did not come to destroy the LAW of Moses.......He came to fulfill it

the 4th century christian bible is written by crucifiers same as in the days of jesus to write their bible of forgeries lies and fallacies the exact opposite for what jesus and those others gave their lives for - the original goal granted by the heavens liberation theology, self determination.

jesus knew perfectly well there are no commandments the liar moses claimed from the heavens used eventually by all three desert religions to persecute and victimize the innocent - the stone throwing jews eventually jesus from the beginning was destined to fall to their will.
 
the 4th century christian bible is written by crucifiers same as in the days of jesus to write their bible of forgeries lies and fallacies the exact opposite for what jesus and those others gave their lives for - the original goal granted by the heavens liberation theology, self determination.

jesus knew perfectly well there are no commandments the liar moses claimed from the heavens used eventually by all three desert religions to persecute and victimize the innocent - the stone throwing jews eventually jesus from the beginning was destined to fall to their will.
Who taught you to believe this?
 
facing death at the hands of the jews ...

by denying being the jew messiah or that there ever would be one made in the heavens and sent to save jews ...

was not a jew and never practiced judaism as the 1st century events are the repudiation of judaism, false commandments claimed heavenly et al as the reason for their notoriety - they did not fear the false religion..
What religion do you practice?
 
jesus never claimed to be the jew messiah -

the 1st century events are the repudiation of judaism, false commandments claimed by the liar moses to be heavenly et al to reestablish the original heavenly goal for remission and nothing to do w/ saving jews as a particular group any more than anyone else.
Do you believe God exists?
 
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the 4th century christian bible is written by crucifiers same as in the days of jesus to write their bible of forgeries lies and fallacies the exact opposite for what jesus and those others gave their lives for - the original goal granted by the heavens liberation theology, self determination.

jesus knew perfectly well there are no commandments the liar moses claimed from the heavens used eventually by all three desert religions to persecute and victimize the innocent - the stone throwing jews eventually jesus from the beginning was destined to fall to their will.
We are not addressing Catholicism, we are addressing the actual practice of Christianity by real men of history hundreds of years before the advent of a supposed God's mouthpiece (the invention of the Papal false doctrine invented by men in 320 AD.......when Rome incorporated the church as being a part of the state) and began using books that were not in the original cannon (i.e., the Apocrypha...extra books proven to be "uninspired" when a comparative scientific analysis was preformed against the thousands of manuscripts that existed before 320 AD

What you will not find in the Holy Scriptures is ChristMASS the pagan practice of Solstice (EASTER) or any of the other sabbaths borrowed from the JEWS (special mass and holidays). Not to mention the fact that Rome began dressing their clergy and separating the laity from the clergy......dressing the supposed leaders in some of the same garb (dress) used by the JEWS...etc., There is a great deal that's not found in the Holy Bible. Men who enjoy praying loud and appointing themselves as God's mouthpiece.

When Jesus clearly taught a warning about individuals such as these. "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are; for they love to pray in the synagogues and on street corners, that they may be seen of men; .......they have their reward." -- Matthew 6:5-6



The new testament began to be recorded between 50-100 CE. During this time period the actual apostles of the Lord and their converts began circulating letters (manuscripts) concerning the Acts of the Apostles (written by Luke the physician)...and other letters to the churches (individual congregations......not some unified central authority). These records are documented via history actual. List of early Christian writers - Wikipedia

There exists some 5800 Christian Greek manuscripts, far more than any other historical document taught in our supposed institutions of higher learning such as Socrates (who never drafted a single word of historical writing, everything that is taught as TRUTH comes from the records of Plato). Take for instance the adventures of Alexander the Great...taught as truth, not a word was written about him until over 300 years after his death.

Another history taught as truth simply because of a written record of eyewitnesses.........no one questions these records about Napoleon even though no one is around who witnessed these events.

The council of Nicaea did not create Jesus Christ or His divine nature. Early Christians from the 1st century on proclaimed proudly, "JESUS IS LORD".
 
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The council of Nicaea did not create Jesus Christ or His divine nature. Early Christians from the 1st century on proclaimed proudly, "JESUS IS LORD".

judaism collapsed 70 ce the stone throwing jews - were not those who understood jesus and the 1st century events ...

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liberation theology, self determination the repudiation of judaism false commandments et al is what they gave their lives for no where found in the 4th century christian bible and its affiliation w/ the worst of judaism.

little doubt in those days his followers may have proclaimed jesus a god unrelated to the biblical renderings who by the time of the 4th century a small minority had all but perished than in the hearts of those likewise who know to this day the true heavenly aspirations not found in any desert bible.
 
I personally am really impressed by what Robert Marshall has accomplished in less than two years. I have very few questions for him personally because what I have been doing is listening to his books over and over again.

His books are astonishing and I cannot imagine how he could have made up what he is saying that he was told by Jesus.


I am so glad that Robert and his wife Carol include so many medical updates in their first book. All doctors and all nurses in all of this earth can be encouraged by what Robert and Carol Marshall are testifying to.

But did he respond to your email?
 
judaism collapsed 70 ce the stone throwing jews - were not those who understood jesus and the 1st century events ...

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liberation theology, self determination the repudiation of judaism false commandments et al is what they gave their lives for no where found in the 4th century christian bible and its affiliation w/ the worst of judaism.

little doubt in those days his followers may have proclaimed jesus a god unrelated to the biblical renderings who by the time of the 4th century a small minority had all but perished than in the hearts of those likewise who know to this day the true heavenly aspirations not found in any desert bible.
Are you suggesting that Papyrus paper was still in use in the 4th century to the 21st century?

Strange that Jesus and His Apostles are found quoting from the Greek Septuagint Bible (which existed 200 years before the birth of Jesus. There at least 300 passages that quote the Greek Septuagint Text. Examples (Mark 7:6-7, Matthew 21:16).

When compared to the actual text found in the Septuagint from parcel and complete works from the books of Lev. and Deut. Numbers, Genesis, Exodus....etc., there is nothing lost in translation as Greek was the universal language of the 1st century and easily translated in other world languages.

Do not believe common sense........believe Duke University which demonstrates that works/records from Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, James, etc., existed between 125 Ad - 250 AD.

 
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