Zone1 Jesus was a Cult?

[GLASNOST]

I’ve always said that Christianity is a Cult because it blasphemes God, the Messiah, and the covenant in so many ways. Here are seven Bible Quotes that support my point.

 

[Clyde 154]

Its not surprising in the least that "gullible" people exist today, willing to believe that which will bring them self contentment..........suspending all logic reason..

Satan leads these type of people away with his lies. (John 8:44). Its simply a mark of these times.........Satan knows the finality of his deceit. "But understand this, that in these last days will come times of difficulty. People will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,......heartless......." (2 Tim. 3:1-2)

What is a cult? Obviously........if said religion/group does not agree with your own projected faith or lack thereof......IT MUST BE A CULT.

You can self define.........what makes a movement a cult regardless of the facts in evidence. The most obvious point that proves the reality of true Bible Believing Christianity is not a cult.....are the historical facts in evidence.

These supposed cult indicator points are destroyed by the simple hypothetical question. Would God allow the following facts if Jesus Christ is not the actual Messiah that God predicted?

Christianity began with One Simple Son of a Carpenter and 12 close friends.........today this supposed CULT that began with the Son of a Carpenter now encompasses 2.6 Billion of the worlds population....31% of the total world population making it the largest religion on earth.

Do you expect that ONLY you and perhaps......(the .02 percent of YOUR CULT) are the only sane people on earth........it's the 2.6 Billion people that are living a lie?

 

[GLASNOST]

Its not surprising in the least that "gullible" people exist today, willing to believe that which will bring them self contentment.......... suspending all logic reason..

Absolutely true, and to prove it ........

Satan leads these type of people away with his lies.

... here you are gullibly believing in Satan without logic or reason.

 

[GLASNOST]

What is a cult?

I already told you .....

... it blasphemes God, the Messiah, and the covenant in so many ways.

Maybe you need to read it again.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Sure, in the beginning.

And then Paul began to transform it into something much more.

 

[GLASNOST]

..... Paul began to transform it into something much more.

Better or worse?

 

[jacksonlamb]

Both. Mankind is not perfect, to organized religion imitates that fact.

And institutions will develop into protecting those who are the elite and direct.

Nonethess, James Talarico vs white nationalist Christianity is fascinating me.

I don't see Talarico winning, but this is still fascinating.

 

[Votto]

I’ve always said that Christianity is a Cult because it blasphemes God, the Messiah, and the covenant in so many ways. Here are seven Bible Quotes that support my point.

A cult for me is anything placed above God. Did Jesus place anything above God? No. He was all about the Father's business.

But even churches can become cults when the focus shifts from God to an organization or a cult of personality.

Jim Jones is a perfect example of what I'm taking about. Originally, he started out as a Christian church, but the man became preoccupied with Marxism, stating that the church was not "socially just" enough, or today he would say it was not "woke" enough. Here was a man who was bisexual and wanted to embrace communism in all its facets, a true democrat, and he was willing to ignore the teachings of Christianity to achieve his goals. So, he decided to move his congregation out of the homophobic and capitalistic land he despised, and into the jungles of Central America, where he eventually had his congregation all drink cool aid and die because his movement was all about him and the Marxism he lived his life by, and not Christ.

If you look at his life, you will see that Jim Jones lived his life for a political cult. In fact, politics is the largest cult on earth bar none all across the globe. Remember, both religion and politics are ideologies teaching people what to believe and how they should live their lives, which is why the subject is often side steps during friendly social encounters. Yea, no one likes to be told what to believe and how they should live their lives generally. At the same time, these issue of how society should live their lives determines their future because belief is all we really have. Belief is the catalyst for our future actions, and really is all we really are.

Pretty much all religions around the world point to Jesus as being a man of God. In fact, most are based upon the Bible.

If you read the life of Jesus, you can see that his life was dedicated to the will of his Father, as his Father's will was all about reaching out to the people. Cult of personalities never do that.

 

[alang1216]

I’ve always said that Christianity is a Cult because it blasphemes God, the Messiah, and the covenant in so many ways. Here are seven Bible Quotes that support my point.

Depends on what you mean by 'cult'. To me, a cult is a group of followers centered around a single person viewed as special in some way. When the cult leader dies the cult can continue or dissolve. If it survives the death of the leader, it becomes a religion. You join a cult, you are raised in a religion. Every religion began as a cult.

 

[Hafar1014]

Its not surprising in the least that "gullible" people exist today, willing to believe that which will bring them self contentment..........suspending all logic reason..

Satan leads these type of people away with his lies. (John 8:44). Its simply a mark of these times.........Satan knows the finality of his deceit. "But understand this, that in these last days will come times of difficulty. People will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,......heartless......." (2 Tim. 3:1-2)

What is a cult? Obviously........if said religion/group does not agree with your own projected faith or lack thereof......IT MUST BE A CULT.

You can self define.........what makes a movement a cult regardless of the facts in evidence. The most obvious point that proves the reality of true Bible Believing Christianity is not a cult.....are the historical facts in evidence.

These supposed cult indicator points are destroyed by the simple hypothetical question. Would God allow the following facts if Jesus Christ is not the actual Messiah that God predicted?

Christianity began with One Simple Son of a Carpenter and 12 close friends.........today this supposed CULT that began with the Son of a Carpenter now encompasses 2.6 Billion of the worlds population....31% of the total world population making it the largest religion on earth.

Do you expect that ONLY you and perhaps......(the .02 percent of YOUR CULT) are the only sane people on earth........it's the 2.6 Billion people that are living a lie?

Christianity began with the lie of original sin and the slaughter of the Gnostics

 

[Clyde 154]

Christianity began with the lie of original sin and the slaughter of the Gnostics

Catholic or JEW, or simply pissed at the world?


There is no concept of Original Sin found in the actual content of the Holy Scriptures. Your very first accusation is based upon a fallacy. The sin spoken of in the OLD TEXT, is the sin committed by ADAM that brought death to all mankind. (Romans 5:12-14)

The Holy Scriptures explain in detail that everyone is born without sin........after birth each man/women is responsible for their own sins, sin is not inherited. "Father,s shall not be put to death for their fathers, nor shall children be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death because for his own sin." -- Deut. 24:16

A simple passage points out the LOGICAL FALLACY you are attempting to invoke. Sin is the act of breaking God's LAW. "Whosever COMMITTETH SIN.........transgresseth also the law; for sin is the transgression of the LAW." -- 1 John 3:4

If anyone is born into sin.........original sin, How could Jesus Christ have walked the earth without sin since Jesus was born of woman, born under the law? -- Gal. 4:4

CLEARLY CHRISTIANITY DOES NOT TEACH NOR ENDORSE ORIGINAL SIN. Simply show us the book, chapter and verse that contains the words ORIGINAL SIN.

 

[TNHarley]

nor shall children be put to death for their fathers

And then he breathed again, and ordered the slaughter of all children because of the sins of the father.

 

[jacksonlamb]

I know a person who worships in the old Cathar way in Europe.

Interesting enough.

 

[GLASNOST]

A cult for me is anything placed above God.

That's only one example. Christianity displays many examples. I am telling you that Christianity is a CULT.

 

[Churchill]

I’ve always said that Christianity is a Cult because it blasphemes God, the Messiah, and the covenant in so many ways. Here are seven Bible Quotes that support my point.

Jesus in essence claimed that people's interpretation of scripture was sometimes wrong. To say he "blasphemed" means to interpret what he said as blasphemy.

There is no absolute in scriptural literature, interpretation is unavoidable and that might be intentional for all I know.

How does one even decide which ancient literature is the genuine "Word of God"?

Now the NT does say that the Jews were entrusted to preserve God's Word, but as to the NT that is subjective, tradition. The NT nor OT ever cites the apocrypha either.

 

[GLASNOST]

Jesus in essence claimed that people's interpretation of scripture was sometimes wrong.

He claimed?

To say he "blasphemed" means to interpret what he said as blasphemy.

No. that's wrong. If he made those interpretations then, yes, he was most definitely a blasphemer

How does one even decide which ancient literature is the genuine "Word of God"?

THAT is the point. Genuine = "Original". What is genuine/original? OK, before we deal the cards the dealer says, "Jokers are wild!". Then mid-play you want to use an Ace as a wild card. The rules were already in place before the game started and that is the "original". You are, therefore, the blasphemer. If you don't like the game or the rules then start your own and you can call it anything you want. Christianity. Scientology. Islam. Buddhism. Hare Krishna. But don't redefine the original and think you know better. You don't.

Now the NT does say ....

Screw the New testament. We can say without doubt it is a blaspheme.

 

[Churchill]

He claimed?

Well attributed to him in the Gospels, for example his remarks about saving a life on the Sabbath.

No. that's wrong. If he made those interpretations then, yes, he was most definitely a blasphemer

To even accuse him of blasphemy one has to interpret scripture.

THAT is the point. Genuine = "Original". What is genuine/original? OK, before we deal the cards the dealer says, "Jokers are wild!". Then mid-play you want to use an Ace as a wild card. The rules were already in place before the game started and that is the "original". You are, therefore, the blasphemer. If you don't like the game or the rules then start your own and you can call it anything you want. Christianity. Scientology. Islam. Buddhism. Hare Krishna. But don't redefine the original and think you know better. You don't.

Screw the New testament. We can say without doubt it is a blaspheme.

What game? what rules? Anyone can accuse anyone else of blasphemy and to do so one must interpret scripture differently to how the accused interprets it.

 

[GLASNOST]

He claimed?

Well attributed to him in the Gospels,

Exactly. Someone else claimed.

To even accuse him of blasphemy one has to interpret scripture.

You're not making sense.

What game? what rules?

You don't know? Who founded the idea of a/the Messiah? Now you know.

Anyone can accuse anyone else of blasphemy and to do so one must interpret scripture differently to how the accused interprets it.

You've just entered the realm of jibberish.

 

[Churchill]

Exactly. Someone else claimed.

That can be said of all scripture, so what of it?

You're not making sense.

That's because you seem to have trouble understanding English.

You don't know? Who founded the idea of a/the Messiah? Now you know.

That wasn't being discussed, you spoke of games, what games are you referring to?

You've just entered the realm of jibberish.

Give me an example of blaspheming...

 

[GLASNOST]

That can be said of all scripture

Correct.

That's because you seem to have trouble understanding English.

Do you really want to turn this into a personal joust? Wouldn't you rather stick to the subject of Cultism and Jesus?

That wasn't being discussed, you spoke of games, what games are you referring to?

I offered you an analogy in my previous post and I'm offering you an additiional hint - see below.

Give me an example of blaspheming...

I'll give you two:
1). Claiming to be the Messiah
2). Claiming the Messiah (third person) had arrived.

Shall we return to the game, the rules, and who "called it"?