Zone1 "Did Jesus become Messiah at His conception?"

[DennisPTate]

But did he respond to your email?

Not that I know of but what Robert Marshall has been doing is reading questions on various podcasts so unless I just happened to listen to a podcast where my question may have been answered, then he could have answered me and I would not know for sure. It seems that he is not answering e-mail in writing which is time consuming. It is amazing how much Robert Marshall has done in less than two years. I have heard podcasts by Robert Marshall, where the questions of many others were fully answered.

 

[BreezeWood]

Are you suggesting that Papyrus paper was still in use in the 4th century to the 21st century?

Strange that Jesus and His Apostles are found quoting from the Greek Septuagint Bible (which existed 200 years before the birth of Jesus. There at least 300 passages that quote the Greek Septuagint Text. Examples (Mark 7:6-7, Matthew 21:16).

When compared to the actual text found in the Septuagint from parcel and complete works from the books of Lev. and Deut. Numbers, Genesis, Exodus....etc., there is nothing lost in translation as Greek was the universal language of the 1st century and easily translated in other world languages.

Do not believe common sense........believe Duke University which demonstrates that works/records from Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, James, etc., existed between 125 Ad - 250 AD.

Dating the Oldest New Testament Manuscripts

quoting as recorded in their bible of forgeries lies and fallacies written by the same as the crucifiers of the 1st century ...

are those in the archives they preserved of the documents they used to write their 4th century christian bible ... and where might that be located.

where are the stone tablets claimed by moses w/ 10 commandments claimed etched in the heavens - destroyed before ever being witnessed by who made them up.

where is a single script written by jesus in reference to any of the claims made in the christian bible.

if the cause was not the repudiation of judaism, hereditary idolatry et al why did they murder him - the stone throwing jews.

 

[Clyde 154]

judaism collapsed 70 ce the stone throwing jews - were not those who understood jesus and the 1st century events ...

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liberation theology, self determination the repudiation of judaism false commandments et al is what they gave their lives for no where found in the 4th century christian bible and its affiliation w/ the worst of judaism.

little doubt in those days his followers may have proclaimed jesus a god unrelated to the biblical renderings who by the time of the 4th century a small minority had all but perished than in the hearts of those likewise who know to this day the true heavenly aspirations not found in any desert bible.

I did not know that Greece and its universal language were considered DESERT scripture. History actual proves that the Holy Scriptures existed some 285 years before the 1st century........translated into GREEK by the Jews themselves. Septuagint - Wikipedia


FYI: The OT canon provides everything.....the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, the entire history to include all the skeletons hidden in the Jewish closets. Such as Saul, Daivd...etc. and their sins against the LAWS of GOD.

Again.......no one is addressing the history actual that proves that ROME corrupted the Holy Scriptures, making the Catholic faith a part of the Roman State in order to continue its quest to conquer the world. The entire western world was governed by the STATE of ROME through Papal decree until the advent of the printing press that mass produced the actual content of both the O.T. and N.T righteous canon.......up until that time it was illegal for any lay person to own or read from the Bible (under penalty of death)......Translation was reserved by the Roman Empire via the use of an antiquated dead language (Latin), studied only by the Roman Catholic Clergy who brought the world such noble events as the Spanish Inquisition and 8 middle east Crusades.

The fact that Rome corrupted the Bible does not prevent the Original Text from ever having existed....to be freely translated through the scientific process of comparative analysis.

There are no passages in the NT that authorize SWORD POINT conversion. Whether one goes to heaven or hell is by personal choice, you either accept Jesus Christ as the price for salvation or you refuse. If you refuse, eat, drink and be merry, because once this life is over Darkness prevails and all hope is lost. Enjoy


Jesus did not come to feed the flesh, provide physical comfort or promise to make anyone wealthy.......Jesus came to Save the immortal Souls of men. Jesus turned such men away as those who simply wanted to feed the flesh .......He openly chastised them (John 6:26-27)

The poor will be among us ALWAYS (John 12:8)

 

[DennisPTate]

I did not know that Greece and its universal language were considered DESERT scripture. History actual proves that the Holy Scriptures existed some 285 years before the 1st century........translated into GREEK by the Jews themselves. Septuagint - Wikipedia


FYI: The OT canon provides everything.....the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, the entire history to include all the skeletons hidden in the Jewish closets. Such as Saul, Daivd...etc. and their sins against the LAWS of GOD.

Again.......no one is addressing the history actual that proves that ROME corrupted the Holy Scriptures, making the Catholic faith a part of the Roman State in order to continue its quest to conquer the world. The entire western world was governed by the STATE of ROME through Papal decree until the advent of the printing press that mass produced the actual content of both the O.T. and N.T righteous canon.......up until that time it was illegal for any lay person to own or read from the Bible (under penalty of death)......Translation was reserved by the Roman Empire via the use of an antiquated dead language (Latin), studied only by the Roman Catholic Clergy who brought the world such noble events as the Spanish Inquisition and 8 middle east Crusades.

The fact that Rome corrupted the Bible does not prevent the Original Text from ever having existed....to be freely translated through the scientific process of comparative analysis.

There are no passages in the NT that authorize SWORD POINT conversion. Whether one goes to heaven or hell is by personal choice, you either accept Jesus Christ as the price for salvation or you refuse. If you refuse, eat, drink and be merry, because once this life is over Darkness prevails and all hope is lost. Enjoy


Jesus did not come to feed the flesh, provide physical comfort or promise to make anyone wealthy.......Jesus came to Save the immortal Souls of men. Jesus turned such men away as those who simply wanted to feed the flesh .......He openly chastised them (John 6:26-27)

The poor will be among us ALWAYS (John 12:8)

Have you ever heard the theory that
after Emperor Constantine made "Christianity" the
official religion of the "Holy Roman Empire" that they
discussed how women had too much power in the early
second century Messianic Jewish movement that met mostly in
homes? They knew that in order to CONTROL the Christianity that
they wanted... .they needed to take Christianity out of HOMES
AND MOVE Christianity into big buildings...... and have a supposedly
"celibate" priesthood based somewhat on the writings of Paul?

In spite of these issues though....
the Roman Catholic Church and the Latter day Saints seems to have
some of the best teachings on the afterlife that I have found so far.

Zone1 Thread 'The Roman Catholic idea of "Purgatory?"'

Nov 24, 2025

Ever since I began to study near death experience accounts I have been thinking and thinking and thinking about the Roman Catholic idea of "Purgatory?"

The near death experience of former Atheist Howard Storm reminds me of the Catholic teachings on the State of the Dead in many ways.

I actually wondered if I could join the Roman Catholic church while I was still living in Nova Scotia, but the doctrine of "Transsubstantiation" was kind of challenging. Even though I could use the basics of String Theory, The Anthropic Principle, Tehilliard's Law of Complexity Consciousnes and many of the...

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• Forum: Religion and Ethics

 

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quoting as recorded in their bible of forgeries lies and fallacies written by the same as the crucifiers of the 1st century ...

are those in the archives they preserved of the documents they used to write their 4th century christian bible ... and where might that be located.

where are the stone tablets claimed by moses w/ 10 commandments claimed etched in the heavens - destroyed before ever being witnessed by who made them up.

where is a single script written by jesus in reference to any of the claims made in the christian bible.

if the cause was not the repudiation of judaism, hereditary idolatry et al why did they murder him - the stone throwing jews.

Are Jews and Christians going to burn in hell?

Or will they be equal to you in heaven?