Zone1 Jesus was a Cult?

[Ace Nova]

I have proved that Christianity is a CULT. I gave Christians an opportunity to inject some info that might refute the CULT status of Christianity but all they have (so far) is Bible quotes and personal insults.
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Christianity was one of the first Cults within the Roman Empire - you are correct!

The word "Cult" has only recently been regarded as a 'slur' due to the overuse of the term in modern media - typically referring to "radical groups". But throughout history, the word "Cult" has rarely been used to specify only "radical groups".

Almost all religions were referred to as "Cults" during ancient times. It would be the equivalent of using the word "Sect" in modern times.

cult​

noun​

ˈkəlt

Synonyms of cult
1
: a (small) group (such as an organization or religious sect) with tenets and practices regarded as coercive, insular, or dangerous
… cults use indoctrination methods that "program" beliefs through hypnosis, repetition, and behavior modification techniques …—Steven A. Hassan

People alive in the 1980s and 1990s might remember the public fear that satanic cults were abusing and sacrificing children.—H. Colleen Sinclair

… their beliefs and behavior become increasingly unusual, leading outside observers to describe the group as a cult.—Steven Monacelli


—often used before another noun
a cult leader

2
a
: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (such as a film or book)
They criticized how the media promotes the cult of celebrity.

Debating ideas will get us farther than covering the cult of personality.—Johanna Maska, quoted in Time

b
: the object of such devotion
Like many professional athletes, he became a cult of sorts …—Roger Barbee


—often used before another noun
a cult classic
As perfume skyrocketed, certain fragrances assumed cult status …—Jacqueline Kilikita
c
: a group of people characterized by such devotion
the singer's cult of fans

a cult of admirers


—often used before another noun
Specializing in artisanal popsicles, this colorful spot has since built a cult following.—Michelle Matthews

3
: a system of religious beliefs and rituals
also : its body of adherents
the cult of Dionysus

an ancient fertility cult

In ancient Egypt, temples dedicated to specific religious cults or gods functioned as lucrative businesses.—Kate McMahon


4
: formal religious veneration : worship

5
: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator
health cults



That said - calling Christianity as a "whole" a cult would be doing yourself a disservice. For one - for anyone that understands history and has faith - it's certainly not an issue. For two - by definition - a "Cult" refers to a small or "minority" group of people.

The Catholic Church - plus all other Christian denominations has the most followers in the world - over 2.6+ BILLION PEOPLE - making it a "standard" - and its values are the foundation of Western Civilization. Far from a "small group of people"

So you tend to look silly when making broad, prejudicial, generalizations that are intended to persecute and mock.

That said - if you would take the time to do some research and determine which "Sects" of Christianity are more extreme/radical and name the specific Sects as "A Christian Cult" you would get much more respect from anyone who knows more than the basics.


Good Luck!

 

[luiza]

I’ve always said that Christianity is a Cult because it blasphemes God, the Messiah, and the covenant in so many ways. Here are seven Bible Quotes that support my point.

Sensible to spell it as Cult .

I guess that with the help of the top Jews and Rome — and later Constantine — the Essene monk was the first modern False Flag .

Absolute cheek to think you could get the Sheeple to swallow such a silly story .
But they did and a few still do .

Universe must be akin to being flabbergasted as it watches or does whatever it does to reflect on events .

 

[Ace Nova]

You forgot to mention the Catholics who definitely were not Christian and did great evil to many innocent people throughout the last two millennia.

Catholic Church's Role in Persecution: Historical Overview​

The Catholic Church has been involved in various acts of persecution over the past two millennia, primarily during periods of religious conflict, political power struggles, and doctrinal disputes. These actions were often justified as efforts to preserve orthodoxy, maintain social order, or defend Christian unity.

• Early and Medieval Persecutions:
  
  
  • The Church faced persecution itself in the Roman Empire, but after Constantine’s Edict of Milan (313 AD), it became a dominant religious and political force. From that point, the Church began to exert authority over religious dissent.
  • The Inquisition, established in the 12th century and notably institutionalized in Spain in 1478, targeted heretics, Jews, Muslims, and converts suspected of secretly practicing their former faiths. The Spanish Inquisition is one of the most infamous examples, involving torture, imprisonment, and executions.
  • The Albigensian Crusade (1209–1229) was a military campaign sanctioned by the Church against the Cathars in southern France, resulting in mass killings and the destruction of entire communities.
  • The Northern Crusades (12th–14th centuries) were campaigns against pagan tribes in Northern Europe, often involving forced conversions and violence.
  • The Church responded to Protestant Reformation with aggressive measures. The St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre (1572), though led by French Catholic factions, was supported by Catholic authorities and resulted in the deaths of thousands of Huguenots (French Protestants).
  • In England, Catholics were persecuted under Queen Elizabeth I, with laws imposing fines, imprisonment, and execution for loyalty to the Pope.
  • The Roman Inquisition intensified during this period, targeting Protestants, heretics, and those accused of blasphemy or witchcraft.

While the Church has also been a major force for good—providing education, healthcare, and humanitarian aid—its historical role in persecution remains a significant and controversial aspect of its legacy. The Church has formally apologized for many of these actions, especially under Pope John Paul II, but the impact of past policies continues to be debated.

For every one wrong you list about the Catholic Church I can name 1000 or more "rights" the Church has done for humanity as a whole.

The scales of Judgement would favor the Body of The Catholic Church and it would not be close.

The Catholic Church is the single most charitable organization on Earth and has been for the past 1500+ years.

There's a VERY HIGH PROBABILTY that you or anyone else on this forum would not exist (in your current form) nor would we be discussing the subject on computers over the internet had the Catholic Church not existed.

Far from perfect, as we humans are - as is the Catholic Church. As God made mankind in his image - the Catholic Church was founded on the teachings and principles of "The Very Best of Humanity - Jesus Christ - Given from God to humanity and from humanity, Back to God - As a Ransom for Many - Giving humanity Communion with God"

The Catholic Church is very much a reflection of mankind thriving to be "The image of God" as it was written in Genesis. The imperfections within the Church - and the mistakes, scandals, etc that have occurred reflect less than 1% of the body of the Catholic Church as a whole.

Last time I checked - 99% isn't 100% but it's still an A+.

 

[GLASNOST]

Christianity was one of the first Cults within the Roman Empire ...

Yes, I can see that.

That said - calling Christianity as a "whole" a cult would be doing yourself a disservice.

No, not at all. I stand very firmly by my words.

Christianity is a CULT due to its misrepresentation of both God and the Messiah ..... particularly with regards the Messiah.

You cannot just wish that away by conjury and superstition exceeding the power of nature.

For one - for anyone that understands history and has faith - it's certainly not an issue.

Faith has nothing to do with anything. If you want to use it as a side-note then I have no problem with that but it isn't on the menu of proving or disproving the CULT of Christianity. THAT is what we are here for.

For two - by definition - a "Cult" refers to a small or "minority" group of people.

Are you seriously saying that a "CULT" can grow out of its CULTist status? Now, it is you who is "doing yourself a disservice".

The Catholic Church - plus all other Christian denominations has the most followers in the world - over 2.6+ BILLION PEOPLE - making it a "standard" - and its values are the foundation of Western Civilization. Far from a "small group of people"

So ..... you really are saying that the number of followers can determine whether any idea is a CULT or not. Tsk-tsk.

So you tend to look silly when making broad, prejudicial, generalizations that are intended to persecute and mock.

I am making no broad, prejudicial generalisations nor am I mocking or persecuting anyone or thing. I have provided a video plus my own specific (not broad or general) view on the matter.

If you are feeling mocked then I suggest you take a couple of steps back and look again. There is one problem, your problem.

... if you would take the time to do some research and determine which "Sects" of Christianity are more extreme/radical

I am calling all of Christianity a CULT. Dividing it up into order of CULT or "Sects" in grades of extreme or radical can be discussed elsewhere.

and name the specific Sects as "A Christian Cult" you would get much more respect from anyone who knows more than the basics.

Personal respect? Do you honestly think that concerns me? Do you believe that I submitted the video in the OP, and have stated my opinion for the purpose of gathering respect? I don’t think you are here for the right reasons. Interesting info about the history of the use of the term CULT but otherwise you have lost the thread.

Christianity is a CULT, plain and simple.

 

[GLASNOST]

You can build a cult with anything. I could argue Amway is cult like.

Yes, fine. I agree. But start your own thread about it. This one is about Jesus and Christianity.

 

[Ace Nova]

Sensible to spell it as Cult .

I guess that with the help of the top Jews and Rome — and later Constantine — the Essene monk was the first modern False Flag .

Absolute cheek to think you could get the Sheeple to swallow such a silly story .
But they did and a few still do .

Universe must be akin to being flabbergasted as it watches or does whatever it does to reflect on events .

The same conspiracy theories you spew come from Rome (The very same people you despise) - they've been saying the same things about the Church since the times of Nero. Followed by protestant agendas done primarily to further their cause - culminating within the New World - when the Founding Fathers - many of them Protestants and Free Masons - felt the Catholic Church could "threaten" the "Separation of Church and State" - a founding principle of the United States.

Anti-Catholic rhetoric and propaganda spread so much that it took over 180 years before the United State would elect a Catholic president - John F Kennedy - and a madman from an extremely biased society at the time, ended his life before he could finish a single term. Madness.

And although the Founding Fathers had what could be perceived as "just cause" to refrain from allowing a Catholic President - they should have been enlightened to the fact that the Protestant Sects of Christianity were a much bigger "threat" to the Separation of Church and State - and based on the course of history - to current day - it holds true.

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[GLASNOST]

You forgot to mention the Catholics who .... did great evil to many innocent people throughout the last two millennia.

... and/but ...

For every one wrong you list ... I can name 1000 or more "rights" the Church has done.

The CULT of Christianity on display.

 

[Ace Nova]

Yes, I can see that.


No, not at all. I stand very firmly by my words.

Christianity is a CULT due to its misrepresentation of both God and the Messiah ..... particularly with regards the Messiah.

You cannot just wish that away by conjury and superstition exceeding the power of nature.

Faith has nothing to do with anything. If you want to use it as a side-note then I have no problem with that but it isn't on the menu of proving or disproving the CULT of Christianity. THAT is what we are here for.

Are you seriously saying that a "CULT" can grow out of its CULTist status? Now, it is you who is "doing yourself a disservice".

So ..... you really are saying that the number of followers can determine whether any idea is a CULT or not. Tsk-tsk.

I am making no broad, prejudicial generalisations nor am I mocking or persecuting anyone or thing. I have provided a video plus my own specific (not broad or general) view on the matter.

If you are feeling mocked then I suggest you take a couple of steps back and look again. There is one problem, your problem.

I am calling all of Christianity a CULT. Dividing it up into order of CULT or "Sects" in grades of extreme or radical can be discussed elsewhere.

Personal respect? Do you honestly think that concerns me? Do you believe that I submitted the video in the OP, and have stated my opinion for the purpose of gathering respect? I don’t think you are here for the right reasons. Interesting info about the history of the use of the term CULT but otherwise you have lost the thread.

Christianity is a CULT, plain and simple.

If Christianity is a "cult" then so is every other ideology on Earth - every religion - every political party. Do you regard Western Civilization as a whole as a cult since it is BASED ON THE PRINCIPLES OF CHRISTIANITY?

Such a silly argument.

So no, it is no longer a "Cult" by definition although certain specific Sects could be regarded as "cults" in the modern day meaning.

But if it makes you feel better calling it a cult - the more power to you - just don't get upset when someone tells you that if you live in the West, you're "part of the cult in some form" - indirectly or not.

 

[GLASNOST]

Sensible to spell it as Cult .

The same conspiracy theories you spew come from Rome

Hmmm. You might be interested to know that the term "conspiracy theory" has only recently been regarded as a 'slur' due to the overuse of the term in modern media ..... Has no one ever told you that?

 

[Ace Nova]

... and/but ...

The CULT of Christianity on display.

Sure - whatever floats your boat. Not sure why you have so much hatred towards Christians as a whole - other than the fact I'm guessing you're prejudice and believe that all Christians are conservative, Bible Thumping, extremists that think they are "holier than though" and that you will burn in hell unless you follow exactly what they say. Many Christian Sects don't even agree with each other on many Biblical translations - especially with the more extreme Sects.

At most - maybe 10%-20% of Christians worldwide feel that way about others. Most modern day Catholics certainly do not.

And feel free to do your own research on the facts regarding the Charity of the Catholic Church - you don't need to be a part of 'the cult" to read and understand facts, numbers and ratios.

 

[GLASNOST]

If Christianity is a "cult" then so is every other ideology on Earth - every religion

And that would be relevant because ..... why?

Do you regard Western Civilization as a whole as a cult since it is BASED ON THE PRINCIPLES OF CHRISTIANITY?

You might want to prove that case before you get yourself into even deeper hot water than you are stewing in at this moment. But anyway, we are not talking about western Civilisation ..... are we?

.... if it makes you feel better calling it a cult - the more power to you

You really do think I've come for the purpose of feeling good or "better". You are not here with earnest intentions.

.... just don't get upset when someone tells you that if you live in the West, you're "part of the cult in some form" - indirectly or not.

Again with the "feeling good" or "getting upset" obsession and it demonstrates that you are definitly not "feeling good or better". Try distancing your feelings and stick with the discussion about Christianity and whether or not it is a CULT. Can you do that?

 

[Ace Nova]

And that would be relevant because ..... why?

You might want to prove that case before you get yourself into even deeper hot water than you are stewing in at this moment. But anyway, we are not talking about western Civilisation ..... are we?

You really do think I've come for the purpose of feeling good or "better". You are not here with earnest intentions.

Again with the "feeling good" or "getting upset" obsession and it demonstrates that you are definitly not "feeling good or better". Try distancing your feelings and stick with the discussion about Christianity and whether or not it is a CULT. Can you do that?

It is relevant because if you use the word "cult" describing the church - by definition so is every other ideology on Earth - including your own ideologies. So if that's how you wish to use the term in the modern day meaning - you're free to do so.
Just understand that when you use the term "cult" in that way - it translates to its very basic and historic meaning - meaning (just about) any ideological or religious group with a strong following.

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Christianity by country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Western Civilization - started by the ideologies of Ancient Greece - during The reign and empire of Alexander The Great - were soon adopted by Rome - within 500 years Rome adopted Christianity as the major religion of the Empire - it was a good match - although enemies for the first 300 years - the ideologies of both Rome and Christianity can be similar in regards to governing the state - and most Christians understood that "Give onto Caesar what is Caesars and unto God what is God's" taught a certain level of "separation of church and state" So the Emperor retained most governing powers while the Pope and Church leaders focused on teaching the people the principles of Christianity and what made them different than the pagan religions at the time - which by nature, would influence the culture, laws and principles within the Empire.

This marriage of Rome and Christianity along with some of the founding principles of Egypt/Greece - is what the "New World" was established on - especially the US.

Other than some of the more extreme Christian views - there is not much disagreement between the majority of the Western Countries and Christianity - even countries like France (who do not actively practice Christianity) continue to use the principles of Christianity among their society, culture and government.

 

[GLASNOST]

But if it makes you feel better calling it a cult - the more power to you

Feeling better? If discussing Christianity makes you feel worse then you shouldn’t engage in the subject.

The same conspiracy theories you spew

Conspiracy theories.

For every one wrong you list about the Catholic Church I can name 1000 or more "rights".

What-about-ism.

you tend to look silly

Personal slander.

making broad, prejudicial, generalizations that are intended to persecute and mock

Absurd conclusions.

whatever floats your boat

Boats and more personal comments.

you're prejudice

Still more personal comments. Sooner or later you’ll be bringing ”hatred” into your repertoire of insults.

you have so much hatred towards Christians.

Yep! I knew you'd bring hatred into the discussion! Christianity is a CULT. Stick to that subject and offer something useful in disproving Christianity is a CULT or go elsewhere ... and take your hatred with you. I don't have time for that shit. Go to bed and leave us adults here to discuss serious matters. Go now ...

 

[GLASNOST]

... you use the word "cult" describing the church .

Yes, the Christian Church. Christianity is a CULT. I have already proved it.

 

[Mashmont]

That's only one example. Christianity displays many examples. I am telling you that Christianity is a CULT.

Is Alabama football a cult because of Nick Saban? Or does his system produce such great results that people are understandably enamored with him? The situation with President Trump is identical. His fantastic results are why people stick with him.

 

[GLASNOST]

Is Alabama football a cult because of Nick Saban?

I never heard of him. Does he preach religion?

 

[Ace Nova]

Yes, the Christian Church. Christianity is a CULT. I have already proved it.

Just a few words of advice - when posters on message boards say, "I won the thread, You lost the thread" or things like, "I already proved it"

Whether you're "right" or "wrong" - statistically/psychologically it is a 'sign of weakness" and 'doubt in your argument'

The Illuminated and intellectuals let their words speak for themselves so that the world can read, understand and learn from their words.

It's not about "winning" "losing" or "proving" you're right.

Knowledge is what you post - Wisdom is understanding the potential effectiveness of your post - Assertion allows you to relax and let the world decide.

"For All the World is a Stage"