Zone1 Prophet Joseph Smith reminds me of near death experiencer Howard Storm.

[DennisPTate]

I personally have studied with Latter day Saint Elders a lot since 2018. One of the reasons as to why I do not feel free to become a full fledged Latter day Saints is because I am more likely to invest many hours over the coming four weeks in re-reading the near death experience of former Atheist Howard Storm, or near death experiencer Robert Marshall, or near death experiencer Kevin L. Zadai, [but I am unlikely to put a lot of time into reading the writings of Prophet Joseph Smith].

There are many simple reasons for this but one of them is that tend to be less than totally thrilled with the way that people wrote two centuries ago. I generally prefer modern near death experience accounts over two hundred year old writings. Frankly, I invest even more time in studying NDE accounts even more than the Jewish and Christian scriptures, because NDE accounts are assisting me to understand the Jewish and Christian scriptures. NDE accounts assisted me to understand the entire Bible in a new light since 1990.

I will give you a quotation from former Atheist and near death experiencer Howard Storm that I know that my LDS friends will be able to dig up similar ideas from The Book of Mormon or from The Bible?

[Howard Storm]:

The Future of the United States​

Howard Storm recorded how his light being friends told him, in 1985, that the Cold War would soon end, because, “God is changing the hearts of people to love around the world.”

Storm states, “Since the time in 1985 when I was told these things about the future the Cold War ended with little bloodshed due to the hearts of people being unwilling to tolerate oppressive regimes.”

Storm described what the light beings told him concerning the way things will be on Earth in about 2185.

He asked the light beings the question, “Will the United States be the leader of the world in this change?”

The light beings replied, “The United States has been given the opportunity to be the teacher for the world, but much is expected of those to whom much has been given. The United States has been given more of everything than any country in the history of the world and it has failed to be generous with the gifts.

“If the United States continues to exploit the rest of the world by greedily consuming the world’s resources, the United States will have God’s blessing withdrawn.

“Your country will collapse economically which will result in civil chaos. Because of the greedy nature of the people, you will have people killing people for a cup of gasoline.

“The world will watch in horror as your country is obliterated by strife. The rest of the world will not intervene because they have been victims of your exploitation. They will welcome the annihilation of such selfish people.

“The United States must change immediately and become the teachers of goodness and generosity to the rest of the world.

“Today the United States is the primary merchant of war and the culture of violence that you export to the world. This will come to an end because you have the seeds of your own destruction within you. Either you will destroy yourselves or God will bring it to an end if there isn’t a change.”

Storm states, “I don’t know if the richest country in the history of the world is doomed to lose God’s blessing or if the people of the United States will become the moral light of the world. How long will God allow the injustice to continue? The future lies in the choices we make right now. God is intervening in direct ways in human events. May God’s will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven!”

In his 2000 book, “My Descent into Death,” Storm described possible timelines of a future Golden Age and a possible future of immense destruction. According to Storm, we currently live in a time when humanity is caught up in materialism, greed, and selfishness. Environmental degradation is worsening. Nations are aggressive and militaristic. Religion is more institutional than spiritual. We’re at a critical turning point. Humanity is choosing between two paths: destruction or transformation. If humanity fails to change, from between the 2030s to the 2060s, there will be worldwide environmental disasters (earthquakes, volcanoes, storms), the power grid will be sabotaged, a global financial collapse will occur, wars will break out around the world (no nuclear war), and social chaos will be widespread. A utopian future can occur between the 2100s and the 2200s – but only if humanity changes course now. This utopia will be a “Golden Age” when all war, poverty, and injustice are eliminated. The Earth will be healed and sustainably managed. Governments will be based on wisdom and compassion, not power. Spiritual beings will interact more openly with humanity. Life will be guided by divine love, not fear. But if destruction occurs before this utopia, there will be a recovery period between the 2060s and the 2100s when communities will emerge based on cooperation, love, and service. People will return to spiritual values. Technology will be reintroduced gradually, used ethically and sustainably. Storm was told that the future is not fixed. Our choices now will determine whether we face destruction or a spiritual rebirth.

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I would love it if any Christians here on the forum would give quotations from either The Bible or from The Book of Mormon that are in agreement, or at least seem to be in agreement ,with what was shown to former Atheist and near death experiencer Howard Storm.

Here are verses in Jeremiah that remind me of what was shown to Howard Storm.

31“Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. 33But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
35Thus says the Lord,
Who gives the sun for a light by day,
The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
Who disturbs the sea,
And its waves roar
(The Lord of hosts is His name):
36“If those ordinances depart
From before Me, says the Lord,
Then the seed of Israel shall also cease
From being a nation before Me forever.”
37Thus says the Lord:
“If heaven above can be measured,
And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
For all that they have done, says the Lord.
38“Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, that the city shall be built for the Lord from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate. 39The surveyor’s line shall again extend straight forward over the hill Gareb; then it shall turn toward Goath. 40And the whole valley of the dead bodies and of the ashes, and all the fields as far as the Brook Kidron, to the corner of the Horse Gate toward the east, shall be holy to the Lord. It shall not be plucked up or thrown down anymore forever.”

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[The Sage of Main Street]

I personally have studied with Latter day Saint Elders a lot since 2018. One of the reasons as to why I do not feel free to become a full fledged Latter day Saints is because I am more likely to invest many hours over the coming four weeks in re-reading the near death experience of former Atheist Howard Storm, or near death experiencer Robert Marshall, or near death experiencer Kevin L. Zadai, [but I am unlikely to put a lot of time into reading the writings of Prophet Joseph Smith].

There are many simple reasons for this but one of them is that tend to be less than totally thrilled with the way that people wrote two centuries ago. I generally prefer modern near death experience accounts over two hundred year old writings. Frankly, I invest even more time in studying NDE accounts even more than the Jewish and Christian scriptures, because NDE accounts are assisting me to understand the Jewish and Christian scriptures. NDE accounts assisted me to understand the entire Bible in a new light since 1990.

I will give you a quotation from former Atheist and near death experiencer Howard Storm that I know that my LDS friends will be able to dig up similar ideas from The Book of Mormon or from The Bible?



I would love it if any Christians here on the forum would give quotations from either The Bible or from The Book of Mormon that are in agreement, or at least seem to be in agreement ,with what was shown to former Atheist and near death experiencer Howard Storm.

Here are verses in Jeremiah that remind me of what was shown to Howard Storm.

All Hail Hallucinations!

This unreliable fantasy is similar to the childish, degenerate, and escapist Hippies' claim that drugs can induce a vision of a reality that lies beyond superficial human perceptions. Tuning in to cartoons.

 

[DennisPTate]

All Hail Hallucinations!

This unreliable fantasy is similar to the childish, degenerate, and escapist Hippies' claim that drugs can induce a vision of a reality that lies beyond superficial human perceptions. Tuning in to cartoons.

Robert and Carol Marshall have included more updates from the medical team who were involved in his case than any other near death experiencer that I know of.

Because Mrs. Carol Marshall was a Speech Language Pathologist she was able to connect with the doctors and nurses who worked on her husband's case much better than most family members of a flatlining patient can do.

I dare you to skip through and listen to the medical updates that is given in his book:

44 Hours in Heaven audio | 44 Hours In Heaven

44 Hours In Heaven Audio Book

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Here is what Messiah Yeshua - Jesus taught Robert Marshall during the forty three hours and twenty eight minutes that he was with Jesus during his third episode of flatlining plus being brain dead.

This is some of the most impressive Theology that I have ever listened to in my sixty six years. Robert Marshall had essentially zero background in Theology but he came back with an absolutely brilliant book about what Jesus taught him.

My Walk With Jesus audio | 44 Hours In Heaven

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This will give you an idea of the medical updates:

[Robert Marshall]

Question:

What is the book 44 Hours In Heaven About?




This is a true story and testimony from a man named Robert, who died three times on May 19th, 2024. He explains how he died by suffocating, drowning in his blood in his lungs, acute hypoxic respiratory failure, and cardiac arrest. The result was his suffering oxygen deprivation to his brain for a total of approximately 90 minutes and about his visits to Heaven each time he died.


Each time he died, he went to Heaven. The 1st time he went to Heaven was for 15 minutes; the 2nd time was for 17 minutes; and the 3rd time was for 43 hours and 28 minutes. In the book 44 Hours in Heaven, he shares what Heaven is like, the conversations he had with Jesus, and what he learned.



The following excerpt from chapter 10 in the book "44 Hours In Heaven" contains what Jesus commanded Robert to do.


Jesus said, "You will worship Me in truth and spirit, and you will do as I command you."


Jesus then told him what He would require him to do, “You will worship Me in Truth and Spirit, and you will do as I command you.”


“In doing so, you will share how and why you were given life again."


“You will share with anybody that I put in your path and will entertain any questions about what I shared and taught you from anybody who asks.”
[Robert Marshall]

What is the book 44 hours in heaven abou | 44 Hours In Heaven Ministries

With only one known case worldwide, Robert's story provides the world's first living testimony of a man who died and spent 44 hours in Heaven. He was taught by Jesus about Heaven and how to understand the Bible. Robert shares his entire experience in Heaven and with Jesus.

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Here is another one of Robert Marshall's medical updates:

"Upon entering the emergency room, the admission staff quickly observed the medical emergency: I was having difficulty breathing. I was immediately escorted to the care area of the ER and met with a member of the medical team who performed the perfunctory vital signs and symptom identification.


The hospital staff responded to my symptoms and ordered a new CT scan and a broader, all- encompassing blood test. The results showed I had “unstable/abnormal vital signs and life-threatening conditions,” as described in my medical record. I was at risk of my airway being blocked by the mass indicated on the CT scan and I needed emergency intubation with ventilator support. They moved me to a surgical suite, inserted the oral intubation tube, and admitted me to the ICU immediately."

Emergency Room Medical Note:

IMPRESSION:

Increased inflammatory change in the deep left neck soft tissues with worsening swelling of the epiglottis and moderate to severe airway narrowing. Additional inflammatory change involving the left submandibular fossa and submandibular gland as well as the left anterior belly of the digastric. Findings suggest worsening infectious pharyngitis/tonsillitis/epiglottitis. No drainable collection.


Left glossotonsillar sulcus fullness persists. Although superimposed infection is likely, evaluation for an underlying malignancy should be pursued. Direct visualization and tissue sampling may be warranted by ENT. Follow-up CT neck with contrast in one to 3 months is recommended to confirm resolution.

No cervical lymphadenopathy by size criteria.

Incidental severe spinal canal narrowing C5-6 due to ossification of the posterior longitudinal ligament.

For the next two days, I rested comfortably, my body fighting the infection with the help of IV antibiotics, and the intubation tube that kept the mass away from my airway.

[Robert and Carol Marshall, Forty Four Hours in Heaven," page 13]

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[DennisPTate]

All Hail Hallucinations!

This unreliable fantasy is similar to the childish, degenerate, and escapist Hippies' claim that drugs can induce a vision of a reality that lies beyond superficial human perceptions. Tuning in to cartoons.

Here is an idea that you might actually have some fun with.....
and the fans of Prophet Joseph Smith might want to do a search for the idea of "Multiple Mortal Probations?"


.....

Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is an American politician, media personality, and businessman who is the 47th president of the United States. A member of the Republican Party, he served as the 45th president from 2017 to 2021.

English is the language that makes certain ancient 'riddles or dark sayings of the wise" more clear and easy to understand because there is a "riddle" of sorts in each of our names that seems to come out more clearly in English, than in any other language that I know of, [but I must admit that I am biased]. Almost anybody who knows their way around in terms of spiritual matters will know that a significant part of the Lost Tribes of Ephrayim and Menasseh migrated to the British Isles, [as well as even all the way to Japan].

D= in English is a little different in Hebrew but it is the Dalet and begins the name David. It is good to look at the name David in Hebrew because the gifted Prophet Kim Clement said that Mr. Donald J. Trump was "HaShem's David."

0 = the omega in Greek is the last letter of the Greek alphabet. Many from the Tribe of Dan migrated to Greece and the Tribes of Dan and Judah tend to end up being put together, even if they don't want to be together. The last letter of the Hebrew alphabet is Tav and Z in English.

The name David in Hebrew is דָּוִד (or sometimes spelled דויד), which originates from the root dôwd and means "beloved" or "uncle". Derived from the Hebrew Bible, it is famously associated with King David. In English, the name is spelled David and is pronounced /ˈdeɪ.vɪd/.
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Key Details Regarding the Name David:
Hebrew Spelling: דָּוִד (Biblical/Modern) or דויד (often found in the Book of Chronicles).
Pronunciation: Biblical Hebrew is Dāwîḏ, modern Hebrew is David.
Meaning: "Beloved," "uncle," or "favorite".

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n - is an interesting letter than we English speaking use for infinity in terms of the sign ^n or "to the nth power."

a is of course the letter for a beginning or for a new beginning.

l means fifty in Latin and fifty is the number for Jubilee which is about the cancellation of debts as revealed through Moses.

d again.... is interesting and could be viewed as an orbital pattern that returns again and again to that "Davidic calling in life."

This is merely the first part of the "Riddle that is there in the very name of Mr. Donald John Trump!

Here is an article that if you will read it in full you will have a much better idea of how powerful "The High Cabal" that Sir Winston Churchill referred to may actually have a more powerful grouping in London, England, even than their branch that is there in Jerusalem and New York?

Thread 'Is there a "riddle or dark saying" in the name Mr. Donald John Trump?'

Apr 29, 2026

Let's imagine that the eight thousand five hundred wealthiest of the wealthy have chosen "Twenty Four Elders" to run most of their affairs for them?

Let's imagine that there are twenty four Elder Women and Twenty four Elder men, forty eight humans in total.

What is likely the favourite language for the majority of those forty eight humans who have been given power over the nations to implement "Malthusian Catastrophe Theory" and it's modern descendant or grandchild, "Neo-Malthusianism?"

Is the favourite language of most of those forty eight people Hebrew?

Or could it perhaps be...

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[markef]

I personally have studied with Latter day Saint Elders a lot since 2018. One of the reasons as to why I do not feel free to become a full fledged Latter day Saints is because I am more likely to invest many hours over the coming four weeks in re-reading the near death experience of former Atheist Howard Storm, or near death experiencer Robert Marshall, or near death experiencer Kevin L. Zadai, [but I am unlikely to put a lot of time into reading the writings of Prophet Joseph Smith].

There are many simple reasons for this but one of them is that tend to be less than totally thrilled with the way that people wrote two centuries ago. I generally prefer modern near death experience accounts over two hundred year old writings. Frankly, I invest even more time in studying NDE accounts even more than the Jewish and Christian scriptures, because NDE accounts are assisting me to understand the Jewish and Christian scriptures. NDE accounts assisted me to understand the entire Bible in a new light since 1990.

I will give you a quotation from former Atheist and near death experiencer Howard Storm that I know that my LDS friends will be able to dig up similar ideas from The Book of Mormon or from The Bible?



I would love it if any Christians here on the forum would give quotations from either The Bible or from The Book of Mormon that are in agreement, or at least seem to be in agreement ,with what was shown to former Atheist and near death experiencer Howard Storm.

Here are verses in Jeremiah that remind me of what was shown to Howard Storm.

Mormonism is a lie, not the truth.

 

[DennisPTate]

Mormonism is a lie, not the truth.

But all religions are being given more and more and more light at this time in history and former deceptions, [or partial deceptions], can now be looked at differently.

10. What Is the Best Religion?​

I asked God: “What is the best religion on the planet? Which one is right?” And Godhead said, with great love: “I don’t care.” That was incredible grace.

They come and they go, they change. Buddhism has not been here forever, Catholicism has not been here forever, and they are all about to become more enlightened. More light is coming into all systems now. There is going to be a reformation in spirituality that is going to be just as dramatic as the Protestant Reformation. There will be lots of people fighting about it, one religion against the next, believing that only they are right.

Everyone thinks they own God, the religions and philosophies, especially the religions, because they form big organizations around their philosophy. When Godhead said, “I don’t care,” I immediately understood that it is for us to care about. It is important, because we are the caring beings. It matters to us and that is where it is important. What you have is the energy equation in spirituality. Ultimate Godhead does not care if you are Protestant, Buddhist, or whatever. It is all a blooming facet of the whole. I wish that all religions would realize it and let each other be. It is not the end of each religion, but we are talking about the same God. Live and let live. Each has a different view. And it all adds up to the Big Picture; it is all important.

I went over to the other side during my NDE with a lot of fears about toxic waste, nuclear missiles, the population explosion, the rainforest. I came back loving every single problem. I love nuclear waste. I love the mushroom cloud; this is the holiest mandala that we have manifested to date, as an archetype. It, more than any religion or philosophy on earth, brought us together all of a sudden, to a new level of consciousness. Knowing that maybe we can blow up the planet fifty times, or 500 times, we finally realize that maybe we are all here together now. For a period they had to keep setting off more bombs to get it in to us. Then we started saying, “we do not need this any more.” Now we are actally in a safer world than we have ever been in, and it is going to get safer. So I came back from my NDE loving toxic waste, because it brought us together. These things are so big. As Peter Russell might say, these problems are now “soul size.” Do we have soul size answers, YES!

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Now we must wonder if every deception that any human ever fell into, sets us on a course of action that becomes a part of our long term "Soul Mission?"

This fits with the idea that Adam and Eve "Fell Upwards" through their being deceived by Satan in Eden?

1. Introduction To Missions and the NDE​

Near-death experiences (NDEs) challenge the idea that life is random or meaningless. NDErs often return convinced that they were sent back because of an important “mission” still remaining for them to finish. NDE testimonies show our mission is a purposeful plan developed by us in spirit realms before birth, lived out in life on Earth through free will and destiny, and reviewed in the light when this life ends. This sense of mission is revealed in many ways: through encounters with a Being of Light, Jesus Christ, a “presence”, angelic beings, spirit guides, departed loved ones, a Council of Elders, an inner voice, or even vivid memories of existence before birth or between lives. The details may differ, but the core message is that every soul comes to Earth for spiritual growth that matters not only personally, but collectively and divinely.

Many of the NDE testimonies referenced in this article are drawn from firsthand accounts generously shared on the Near-Death Experience Research Foundation (NDERF.org) website. I gratefully acknowledge NDERF and its founders, Dr. Jeffrey Long and Jody Long, for their decades of dedication to collecting, preserving, and publishing the world’s most comprehensive archives of NDE testimonies. Their ongoing research and stewardship of these testimonies make it possible for readers, researchers, and NDErs alike to deepen their understanding of the profound insights reported during NDEs.

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Because Latter day Saints and Roman Catholics tend to take near death experience accounts more seriously than other denominations of Christianity do they are in a special position to understand what is being revealed through NDE accounts at this critical time in history.

All of us tend to be deceived on at least some questions.

[Charismatic Visionary Rick Joyner, The Final Quest] :
The Evil Army

I saw a demonic army so large that it stretched as far as I could see. It was separated into divisions, with each carrying a different banner. The foremost and most powerful divisions were Pride, Self righteousness, Respectability, Selfish Ambition, and Unrighteous Judgment, but the largest of all was Jealousy. The leader of this vast army was the Accuser of the Brethren himself. I knew that there were many more evil divisions beyond my scope of vision, but these were the vanguard of this terrible horde from hell that was now being released against the church.

The weapons carried by this horde had names on them: the swords were named Intimidation; the spears were named Treachery; and their arrows were named Accusations, Gossip, Slander and Faultfinding. Scouts and smaller companies of demons with such names as Rejection, Bitterness, Impatience, Un-forgiveness and Lust were sent in advance of this army to prepare for the main attack. I knew in my heart that the church had never faced anything like this before.

The main assignment of this army was to cause division. It was sent to attack every level of relationship-churches with each other, congregations with their pastors, husbands and wives, children and parents, and even children with each other. The scouts were sent to locate the openings in churches, families or individuals that rejection, bitterness, lust, etc., could exploit and make a larger breech for the divisions that were coming.

The most shocking part of this vision was that this horde was not riding on horses, but on Christians! Most of them were well-dressed, respectable, and had the appearance of being refined and educated. These were Christians who had opened themselves to the powers of darkness to such a degree that the enemy could use them and they would think that they were being used by God. The Accuser knows that a house divided cannot stand, and this army represented his ultimate attempt to bring such complete division to the church that she would completely fall from grace.​

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[DennisPTate]

All Hail Hallucinations!

This unreliable fantasy is similar to the childish, degenerate, and escapist Hippies' claim that drugs can induce a vision of a reality that lies beyond superficial human perceptions. Tuning in to cartoons.

But cannot rather far fetched fantasies take off and produce movements that step by step by step are taking all of the earth toward a vastly better future?

Isn't that what Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Moses and the Minor Prophets said would eventually happen?


..... "I've been researching near death experience accounts since 1990 and I did
part ways with The Worldwide Church of God and one of its offshoots due to
what I was finding out about the state of the dead from NDE accounts.

Less than a year ago I ran into a NDE account that I believe can cause
Latter day Saints and even ex-Latter day Saints to come together with
Pope Leo and get into the production of a rather new type of film, a
reality film series that is combined with a documentary film series and then
"Semi-reality Science Fiction" set in history, [assuming the validity of the
Nikola Tesla research that many of us have heard about]?

For starters I do believe that Pope Leo should get together with these two near
death experiencers due to the power of what near death experiencer Mr. Gabe
Poirot reports and also his willingness to get into one of the most astonishing
near death experience accounts that was ever given by a Christian?

What Robert Marshall was shown about the fall of "Satan" fits so well with
"Old Earth Creationism" that Roman Catholic scientists, doctors, nurses and
Theologians can have a field day with this topic at Roman Catholic universities and
schools in the near future?"

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I've been researching near death experience accounts since 1990 and I did
part ways with The Worldwide Church of God and one of its offshoots due to
what I was finding out about the state of the dead from NDE accounts.

Less than a year ago I ran into a NDE account that I believe can cause
Latter day Saints and even ex-Latter day Saints to come together with
Pope Leo and get into the production of a rather new type of film, a
reality film series that is combined with a documentary film series and then
"Semi-reality Science Fiction" set in history, [assuming the validity of the
Nikola Tesla...

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[DennisPTate]

All Hail Hallucinations!

This unreliable fantasy is similar to the childish, degenerate, and escapist Hippies' claim that drugs can induce a vision of a reality that lies beyond superficial human perceptions. Tuning in to cartoons.

On the other hand Latter day Saints are now being accused of not even being "Christians" which I believe gives them a special opportunity to pray and intercede for all other Americans and everybody on earth because Messiah Yeshua - Jesus made it clear that everybody who tries their best to serve Jesus WILL BE PERSECUTED.

Our reaction to persecution should be to rejoice....
and be glad.....
and have faith that something very good is being worked out?

1And seeing the multitudes, He went up on a mountain, and when He was seated His disciples came to Him. 2Then He opened His mouth and taught them, saying:
3“Blessed are the poor in spirit,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4Blessed are those who mourn,
For they shall be comforted.
5Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the earth.
6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
For they shall be filled.
7Blessed are the merciful,
For they shall obtain mercy.
8Blessed are the pure in heart,
For they shall see God.
9Blessed are the peacemakers,
For they shall be called sons of God.
10Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11“Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Believers Are Salt and Light
13“You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men.
14“You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. 16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.

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The BeatitudesAnd seeing the multitudes, #Matt. 14:23; 15:29; 17:1; Mark 3:13; Luke 6:17; 9:28; John 6:3, 15He went up on a mountain, and when He was seated His disciples came to Him. Then He opened H

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"Off the scale opportunities are sitting there in front of all of us to assist Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to take over in all seven mountains of influence as is explained by Dr. Lance Wallnau.

It may be a good thing though if we religious people admit that we can open doors into our hearts and minds for "demons" to influence us. Pride comes before a fall but HUMILITY comes before honour."

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Jun 11, 2026

Thanks for the ideas!

I just might capitalize on them!

Off the scale opportunities are sitting there in front of all of us to assist Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to take over in all seven mountains of influence as is explained by Dr. Lance Wallnau.

It may be a good thing though if we religious people admit that we can open doors into our hearts and minds for "demons" to influence us. Pride comes before a fall but HUMILITY comes before honour.

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All of us religious people....
Christians and non-Christians can open doors or windows to
the dark side of the force. We all need to humbly beseech Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to intervene in our lives and cleanse our mind, will, emotions and personality of doors and windows that we have opened to the dark side of the force, "demons?"

Thread 'Can a Christian have a demon?'

Jun 10, 2026

I am of the belief that a sincere Christian can have a demon influencing them and getting rid of those demons can transform the life of a Christian who is living far below the level of faith and power that they should be walking in daily.

Tanya Sewell admits that she had demons even after being a Christian for a couple of decades.

She found this out beginning in 2020.

As I put this video up and listen to this again I am thinking of other examples of cases similar to hers that need to be understood.

She Casts Out Demons Daily! + Mass Deliverance Prayer​

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• DennisPTate
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[markef]

But all religions are being given more and more and more light at this time in history and former deceptions, [or partial deceptions], can now be looked at differently.




Now we must wonder if every deception that any human ever fell into, sets us on a course of action that becomes a part of our long term "Soul Mission?"

This fits with the idea that Adam and Eve "Fell Upwards" through their being deceived by Satan in Eden?






Because Latter day Saints and Roman Catholics tend to take near death experience accounts more seriously than other denominations of Christianity do they are in a special position to understand what is being revealed through NDE accounts at this critical time in history.

All of us tend to be deceived on at least some questions.



An on that note"

Died from Overdose & Saw HELL’s Three Sections! Cody’s Haunting Testimony as Blood Bought​

All religions are not the same. Muslim radicals, for example, see nothing wrong with murdering innovent people by the millions, including their own children.

 

[DennisPTate]

All religions are not the same. Muslim radicals, for example, see nothing wrong with murdering innovent people by the millions, including their own children.

That is true but didn't that idea come into Islam from people much like the Apostle Paul once was?

Before Paul's miraculous conversion.

1Then Agrippa said to Paul, “You are permitted to speak for yourself.”
So Paul stretched out his hand and answered for himself: 2“I think myself happy, King Agrippa, because today I shall answer for myself before you concerning all the things of which I am accused by the Jews, 3especially because you are expert in all customs and questions which have to do with the Jews. Therefore I beg you to hear me patiently.
4“My manner of life from my youth, which was spent from the beginning among my own nation at Jerusalem, all the Jews know. 5They knew me from the first, if they were willing to testify, that according to the strictest sect of our religion I lived a Pharisee. 6And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made by God to our fathers. 7To this promise our twelve tribes, earnestly serving God night and day, hope to attain. For this hope’s sake, King Agrippa, I am accused by the Jews. 8Why should it be thought incredible by you that God raises the dead?
9“Indeed, I myself thought I must do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth. 10This I also did in Jerusalem, and many of the saints I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I cast my vote against them. 11And I punished them often in every synagogue and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly enraged against them, I persecuted them even to foreign cities.
Paul Recounts His Conversion
12“While thus occupied, as I journeyed to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests, 13at midday, O king, along the road I saw a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining around me and those who journeyed with me. 14And when we all had fallen to the ground, I heard a voice speaking to me and saying in the Hebrew language, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’ 15So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. 16But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. 17I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, 18to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’

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Paul’s Early LifeThen Agrippa said to Paul, “You are permitted to speak for yourself.”So Paul stretched out his hand and answered for himself: “I think myself #(1 Pet. 3:14; 4:

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[DennisPTate]

Mormonism is a lie, not the truth.

All of our flaws....
and sins....
and errors of the past....
set us up to admit to our flaws and use our sins of the past
as a foundation for a form of outreach to people who have gotten into that same type of error or sin.

A near death experience has been shown what could indicate that Prophet Joseph Smith may have met a being that could remind us of Ezekiel chapter twenty eight?

This possibility sets up Latter day Saints to become whistleblowers about astonishing Nikola Tesla style technology that I believe is hidden underground in UTAH.

Could a mission into 1840 to grab The Prophet Joseph Smith and take him to the USA in 2026 or 2027 or 2028... or perhaps to 2031 the 2000 anniversary of when Messiah Yeshua - Jesus was murdered and then resurrected?

all of this can be tied in with the possibility that astonishing technology is hidden underground in Utah......
and perhaps.....
just perhaps.....
Prophet Joseph Smith may have ended up in what Pope Leo might term "Purgatory?"

... The near death experience of Christian Rapper Cody Leatherbury is evidence for this.

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Could The Prophet Joseph Smith be grabbed out of 1840 and taken the the USA in the not too distant future.....
and could the historical actual Prophet Joseph Smith be used to set in motion a fulfillment of Ezekiel chapter thirty seven.....
that uses Nikola Tesla technology?

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I don't know the answer to that question.....
but speculating can be kind of fun.


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"Rumour has it that the CIA gathered up all of Nikola Tesla's writings after he died.

Rumour also has it that some of the Tesla ideas and inventions now exist underground in UTAH, [which I believe sets up residents of Utah in a very special way].

I believe that a modern replica of the "1932 Worgl Austria Local Money Experiment" could be done in the State of Utah and in the Canadian province of Alberta that could be done in such a way that it could quickly be proven that the national debts of the USA and Canada are significantly practical jokes being played on ninety nine point nine percent of us by some brilliant people who understand that Genesis chapter eleven verse six is true....... and the implications for human productivity in 2026 to 2036 is terrifying some very intelligent and powerful people."

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Jun 13, 2026

Wise47 .....
all of this can be tied in with the possibility that astonishing technology is hidden underground in Utah......
and perhaps.....
just perhaps.....
Prophet Joseph Smith may have ended up in what Pope Leo might term "Purgatory?"

... The near death experience of Christian Rapper Cody Leatherbury is evidence for this.

...
Could The Prophet Joseph Smith be grabbed out of 1840 and taken the the USA in the not too distant future.....
and could the historical actual Prophet Joseph Smith be used to set in motion a fulfillment of Ezekiel chapter thirty seven.....
that uses...

• DennisPTate

 

[DennisPTate]

A powerful case can be presented from the testimony of near death experiencer and Christian Rapper Cody Leatherbury that perhaps Prophet Joseph Smith volunteered even before he was conceived for an incredibly difficult mission into enemy territory so that many of the prophecies that were given through him could come to pass.

Every human has spiritual authority and all of us are on a mission in this life.....
some of our Life Missions include astonishing danger and risk......

What Prophet Joseph Smith taught about the afterlife does seem to fit with near death experience accounts......
and seems to fit with the prediction of a Restoration of All Things.......
The least Christian is on a mission that can be compared with the mission of John the Baptist..... and Prophet Joseph Smith is also on a scary and difficult mission that fits with some of his own prophecies.......

I sure do hope that the Latter day Saints are correct that our soul or spirit can lear and grow even in the afterlife?

Chapter 41

The Postmortal Spirit World​

Life after Death​

• What happens to us after we die?

Heavenly Father prepared a plan for our salvation. As part of this plan, He sent us from His presence to live on earth and receive mortal bodies of flesh and blood. Eventually our mortal bodies will die, and our spirits will go to the spirit world. The spirit world is a place of waiting, working, learning, and, for the righteous, resting from care and sorrow. Our spirits will live there until we are ready for our resurrection. Then our mortal bodies will once more unite with our spirits, and we will receive the degree of glory we have prepared for (see chapter 46 in this book).

Many people have wondered what the spirit world is like. The scriptures and latter-day prophets have given us information about the spirit world.

• What comfort do you receive from your knowledge that there is life after death? How can we use our understanding of the postmortal spirit world to comfort others?

Where Is the Postmortal Spirit World?​

Latter-day prophets have said that the spirits of those who have died are not far from us. President Ezra Taft Benson said: “Sometimes the veil between this life and the life beyond becomes very thin. Our loved ones who have passed on are not far from us” (in Conference Report, Apr. 1971, 18; or Ensign, June 1971, 33). President Brigham Young taught that the postmortal spirit world is on the earth, around us (see Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Brigham Young [1997], 279).

What Is the Nature of Our Spirits?​

Spirit beings have the same bodily form as mortals except that the spirit body is in perfect form (see Ether 3:16). Spirits carry with them from earth their attitudes of devotion or antagonism toward things of righteousness (see Alma 34:34). They have the same appetites and desires that they had when they lived on earth. All spirits are in adult form. They were adults before their mortal existence, and they are in adult form after death, even if they die as infants or children (see Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph F. Smith [1998], 131–32).

• Why is it important to know that our spirits will have the same attitudes in the spirit world that they have now?

What Are the Conditions in the Postmortal Spirit World?​

The prophet Alma in the Book of Mormon taught about two divisions or states in the spirit world:

“The spirits of those who are righteous are received into a state of happiness, which is called paradise, a state of rest, a state of peace, where they shall rest from all their troubles and from all care, and sorrow.

“And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of the wicked, yea, who are evil—for behold, they have no part nor portion of the Spirit of the Lord; for behold, they chose evil works rather than good; therefore the spirit of the devil did enter into them, and take possession of their house—and these shall be cast out into outer darkness; there shall be weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth, and this because of their own iniquity, being led captive by the will of the devil.

“Now this is the state of the souls of the wicked, yea, in darkness, and a state of awful, fearful looking for the fiery indignation of the wrath of God upon them; thus they remain in this state, as well as the righteous in paradise, until the time of their resurrection” (Alma 40:12–14).

The spirits are classified according to the purity of their lives and their obedience to the will of the Lord while on earth. The righteous and the wicked are separated (see 1 Nephi 15:28–30), but the spirits may progress as they learn gospel principles and live in accordance with them. The spirits in paradise can teach the spirits in prison (see D&C 138).

For teachers: To help class members or family members understand the differences between paradise and spirit prison, consider drawing a vertical line in the middle of the board or on a large piece of paper, making two columns. At the top of one column, write State of the Righteous. At the top of the other column, write State of the Wicked. Ask members to describe each state in the spirit world, based on their reading in this section. Summarize their comments in the appropriate columns.

Paradise​

According to the prophet Alma, the righteous spirits rest from earthly care and sorrow. Nevertheless, they are occupied in doing the work of the Lord. President Joseph F. Smith saw in a vision that immediately after Jesus Christ was crucified, He visited the righteous in the spirit world. He appointed messengers, gave them power and authority, and commissioned them to “carry the light of the gospel to them that were in darkness, even to all the spirits of men” (D&C 138:30).

The Church is organized in the spirit world, and priesthood holders continue their responsibilities there (see D&C 138:30). President Wilford Woodruff taught: “The same Priesthood exists on the other side of the veil. … Every Apostle, every Seventy, every Elder, etc., who has died in the faith as soon as he passes to the other side of the veil, enters into the work of the ministry” (Deseret News, Jan. 25, 1882, 818).

Family relationships are also important. President Jedediah M. Grant, a counselor to Brigham Young, saw the spirit world and described to Heber C. Kimball the organization that exists there: “He said that the people he there saw were organized in family capacities. … He said, ‘When I looked at families, there was a deficiency in some, … for I saw families that would not be permitted to come and dwell together, because they had not honored their calling here’” (Deseret News, Dec. 10, 1856, 316–17).

Spirit Prison​

The Apostle Peter referred to the postmortal spirit world as a prison, which it is for some (see 1 Peter 3:18–20). In the spirit prison are the spirits of those who have not yet received the gospel of Jesus Christ. These spirits have agency and may be enticed by both good and evil. If they accept the gospel and the ordinances performed for them in the temples, they may leave the spirit prison and dwell in paradise.

Also in the spirit prison are those who rejected the gospel after it was preached to them either on earth or in the spirit prison. These spirits suffer in a condition known as hell. They have removed themselves from the mercy of Jesus Christ, who said, “Behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent; but if they would not repent they must suffer even as I; which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit” (D&C 19:16–18). After suffering for their sins, they will be allowed, through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, to inherit the lowest degree of glory, which is the telestial kingdom.

• How are conditions in the spirit world similar to conditions in this life?

Additional Scriptures​

• 1 Peter 4:6 (gospel preached to the dead)
• Moses 7:37–39 (spirit prison prepared for the wicked)
• D&C 76 (revelation about the three kingdoms of glory)
• Luke 16:19–31 (fate of beggar and rich man in the spirit world)

Chapter 41: The Postmortal Spirit World

Chapter 41: The Postmortal Spirit World

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All of us can react differently to the NDE testimony of Mr. Cody Leatherbury......
one reaction is to think of Prophet Joseph Smith taking on an incredibly challenging and dangerous mission for Messiah Yeshua - Jesus that will eventually launch him on a mission to save the lost.... even in Purgatory...... at an astonishing level.... once Ezekiel chapter thirty seven comes to pass?

 

[markef]

A powerful case can be presented from the testimony of near death experiencer and Christian Rapper Cody Leatherbury that perhaps Prophet Joseph Smith volunteered even before he was conceived for an incredibly difficult mission into enemy territory so that many of the prophecies that were given through him could come to pass.

Every human has spiritual authority and all of us are on a mission in this life.....
some of our Life Missions include astonishing danger and risk......

What Prophet Joseph Smith taught about the afterlife does seem to fit with near death experience accounts......
and seems to fit with the prediction of a Restoration of All Things.......
The least Christian is on a mission that can be compared with the mission of John the Baptist..... and Prophet Joseph Smith is also on a scary and difficult mission that fits with some of his own prophecies.......

I sure do hope that the Latter day Saints are correct that our soul or spirit can lear and grow even in the afterlife?



All of us can react differently to the NDE testimony of Mr. Cody Leatherbury......
one reaction is to think of Prophet Joseph Smith taking on an incredibly challenging and dangerous mission for Messiah Yeshua - Jesus that will eventually launch him on a mission to save the lost.... even in Purgatory...... at an astonishing level.... once Ezekiel chapter thirty seven comes to pass?

Joseph Smith was what is properly called a false prophet.

 

[DennisPTate]

Joseph Smith was what is properly called a false prophet.

Actually you are correct....
but so was the Prophet Balaam whose two sons Janes and Jambres withstood Moses and replicated several major miracles but yet he was given a number of powerful paragraphs in the Book of Numbers.

The Cody Leatherbury near death experience account about some of the Purgatory or Hell realms is a testimony that should cause all of us to fear our Creator a little more... or even a lot more.

Rapper's Terrifying Journey After Death​

 

[Votto]

I personally have studied with Latter day Saint Elders a lot since 2018. One of the reasons as to why I do not feel free to become a full fledged Latter day Saints is because I am more likely to invest many hours over the coming four weeks in re-reading the near death experience of former Atheist Howard Storm, or near death experiencer Robert Marshall, or near death experiencer Kevin L. Zadai, [but I am unlikely to put a lot of time into reading the writings of Prophet Joseph Smith].

There are many simple reasons for this but one of them is that tend to be less than totally thrilled with the way that people wrote two centuries ago. I generally prefer modern near death experience accounts over two hundred year old writings. Frankly, I invest even more time in studying NDE accounts even more than the Jewish and Christian scriptures, because NDE accounts are assisting me to understand the Jewish and Christian scriptures. NDE accounts assisted me to understand the entire Bible in a new light since 1990.

I will give you a quotation from former Atheist and near death experiencer Howard Storm that I know that my LDS friends will be able to dig up similar ideas from The Book of Mormon or from The Bible?



I would love it if any Christians here on the forum would give quotations from either The Bible or from The Book of Mormon that are in agreement, or at least seem to be in agreement ,with what was shown to former Atheist and near death experiencer Howard Storm.

Here are verses in Jeremiah that remind me of what was shown to Howard Storm.

The most credible near death accounts I have heard of are when people leave their body and enter another room and can recount conversations in that room where they never physically had been, or another one where this guy was born blind and had a near death experience and came back and described his surroundings and explained what it was like to see for the first time. And yes, when he returned to his body he was blind again.

You simply can't chalk this off to hallucinations.

 

[Votto]

Joseph Smith was what is properly called a false prophet.

Anytime you write your own Bible all by your lonesome, that is a red flag.

JW's did it, Mohammad did it, etc.

Reading about his life, he seems more about feeding his own sexual desires and lust for power than any prophet of God in the Bible.

Joseph Smith - Wikipedia

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[DennisPTate]

Anytime you write your own Bible all by your lonesome, that is a red flag.

JW's did it, Mohammad did it, etc.

Reading about his life, he seems more about feeding his own sexual desires and lust for power than any prophet of God in the Bible.

Joseph Smith - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I do agree that Prophet Joseph Smith was very flawed
but similar to Pastor Rick Joyner or C. S. Lewis he could also be thought of as a rather brilliant writer, [especially considering the time period in which he lived and wrote].

One thing that I do know for certain is that Latter day Saints take near death experience accounts seriously and this makes them comparable to the Rechabites who the Prophet Jeremiah was sent to with a message for them.

1The word which came to Jeremiah from the Lord in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah, king of Judah, saying, 2“Go to the house of the Rechabites, speak to them, and bring them into the house of the Lord, into one of the chambers, and give them wine to drink.”
3Then I took Jaazaniah the son of Jeremiah, the son of Habazziniah, his brothers and all his sons, and the whole house of the Rechabites, 4and I brought them into the house of the Lord, into the chamber of the sons of Hanan the son of Igdaliah, a man of God, which was by the chamber of the princes, above the chamber of Maaseiah the son of Shallum, the keeper of the door. 5Then I set before the sons of the house of the Rechabites bowls full of wine, and cups; and I said to them, “Drink wine.”
6But they said, “We will drink no wine, for Jonadab the son of Rechab, our father, commanded us, saying, ‘You shall drink no wine, you nor your sons, forever. 7You shall not build a house, sow seed, plant a vineyard, nor have any of these; but all your days you shall dwell in tents, that you may live many days in the land where you are sojourners.’ 8Thus we have obeyed the voice of Jonadab the son of Rechab, our father, in all that he charged us, to drink no wine all our days, we, our wives, our sons, or our daughters, 9nor to build ourselves houses to dwell in; nor do we have vineyard, field, or seed. 10But we have dwelt in tents, and have obeyed and done according to all that Jonadab our father commanded us. 11But it came to pass, when Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came up into the land, that we said, ‘Come, let us go to Jerusalem for fear of the army of the Chaldeans and for fear of the army of the Syrians.’ So we dwell at Jerusalem.”
12Then came the word of the Lord to Jeremiah, saying, 13“Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: ‘Go and tell the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, “Will you not receive instruction to obey My words?” says the Lord. 14“The words of Jonadab the son of Rechab, which he commanded his sons, not to drink wine, are performed; for to this day they drink none, and obey their father’s commandment. But although I have spoken to you, rising early and speaking, you did not obey Me. 15I have also sent to you all My servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them, saying, ‘Turn now everyone from his evil way, amend your doings, and do not go after other gods to serve them; then you will dwell in the land which I have given you and your fathers.’ But you have not inclined your ear, nor obeyed Me. 16Surely the sons of Jonadab the son of Rechab have performed the commandment of their father, which he commanded them, but this people has not obeyed Me.” ’
17“Therefore thus says the Lord God of hosts, the God of Israel: ‘Behold, I will bring on Judah and on all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the doom that I have pronounced against them; because I have spoken to them but they have not heard, and I have called to them but they have not answered.’ ”
18And Jeremiah said to the house of the Rechabites, “Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: ‘Because you have obeyed the commandment of Jonadab your father, and kept all his precepts and done according to all that he commanded you, 19therefore thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: “Jonadab the son of Rechab shall not lack a man to stand before Me forever.” ’ ”

Jeremiah 35 | NKJV Bible | YouVersion

The Obedient RechabitesThe word which came to Jeremiah from the Lord in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah, king of Judah, saying, “Go to the house of the # Sam. 4:2; 2 Kin. 10:15; 1 Chr. 2

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Latter day Saints are flawed and human and sin just like all other Christians but I do believe that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus as the Being of Light of near death experience fame who can do a Life Review with all of us, Jesus is going to treat Latter day Saints in a similar manner to how the God of Abrhaham blessed the Rechabites.

 

[DennisPTate]

Latter day Saint scholars may be the most willing to attempt to make sense out of the following concept?

This looks like a job for Rabbi Joe!
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Author William Dankenbring wrote an article decades ago that
pointed to the 6000 years from Adam and Eve perhaps having been up
around the year 1996. Evangelist Dankenbring used the Book of Jasher to back
up this calculation.

If I remember correctly it may have been William Dankenbring who wrote that
around the time of the Bar Kochba Revolt Rabbi Akiva felt that saving "Judaism" as
he understood Rabbinic Judaism, would require some drastic measures on his part.

During the time of John the Baptist and Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus it was common knowledge that
the 4000 years from Adam and Eve had arrived, [perhaps around four B. C. E. when John the Baptist and
Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus were both born]?

But Rabbi Akiva got Rabbinic Judaism onto a different way of numbering the years from Adam and Eve,
[partly in his efforts to prevent all Jews from switching over to Messianic Judaism as perhaps four hundred
thousand Jews living in the Holy Land had already done]?

Zone1 Thread 'When will the 6000 years from Adam and Eve be up?'

Jun 17, 2026

Author William Dankenbring wrote an article decades ago that
pointed to the 6000 years from Adam and Eve perhaps having been up
around the year 1996. Evangelist Dankenbring used the Book of Jasher to back
up this calculation.

If I remember correctly it may have been William Dankenbring who wrote that
around the time of the Bar Kochba Revolt Rabbi Akiva felt that saving "Judaism" as
he understood Rabbinic Judaism, would require some drastic measures on his part?

During the time of John the Baptist and Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus apparently it was common knowledge that
the 4000 years from Adam...

• DennisPTate
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[Carl in Michigan]

Author William Dankenbring wrote an article decades ago that
pointed to the 6000 years from Adam and Eve perhaps having been up
around the year 1996. Evangelist Dankenbring used the Book of Jasher to back
up this calculation

I have fond memories of Mr Dankenbring after the death of HWA. I mostly agreed with his writings. I know he died a few years ago. All I KNOW is were another day closer to His Return