CDZ i met a Lithuanian recently here in Amsterdam.NL, and he said he was pro-Putin.

[peacefan]

Russia urges NATO to withdraw forces from Eastern Europe and reduce tensions — statement

This is one of the key points of Russian proposals for NATO on guarantees of security, Russian Foreign Ministry deputy spokesman Alexey Zaytsev noted

And i bet there are many more such men (and women, and children), to be found in governments that now cling to NATO mostly like beggars look for scraps of money.

NATO has been far too aggressive, in my humble opinion, encroaching on Russia's western borders.

You know what was said about angering the 'Russian bear'.. that it is very very dangerous.
Translation : to hurt Russian pride this way, to deny them their old allies for their new Russian Federation, as part of the Communist Alliance (yet another Empire, just like NATO+EU+AUKUS), is complete idiocy. Pardon my French, Democratic babyboomer Cold War 1 warriors.

But i'll keep saying it.

Freedom of speech.

It's an asset, allright.

Just not always pleasant when used in public.

YOU ARE FORCING ME TO DO THIS, BIDEN AND TRUMP ADMIN COMMUNITIES.
on behalf of the citizens of Eastern *and* western mainland Europe.

 

[theHawk]

Does Litwin know about this?

 

[Litwin]

Russia urges NATO to withdraw forces from Eastern Europe and reduce tensions — statement

This is one of the key points of Russian proposals for NATO on guarantees of security, Russian Foreign Ministry deputy spokesman Alexey Zaytsev noted

And i bet there are many more such men (and women, and children), to be found in governments that now cling to NATO mostly like beggars look for scraps of money.

NATO has been far too aggressive, in my humble opinion, encroaching on Russia's western borders.

You know what was said about angering the 'Russian bear'.. that it is very very dangerous.
Translation : to hurt Russian pride this way, to deny them their old allies for their new Russian Federation, as part of the Communist Alliance (yet another Empire, just like NATO+EU+AUKUS), is complete idiocy. Pardon my French, Democratic babyboomer Cold War 1 warriors.

But i'll keep saying it.

Freedom of speech.

It's an asset, allright.

Just not always pleasant when used in public.

YOU ARE FORCING ME TO DO THIS, BIDEN AND TRUMP ADMIN COMMUNITIES.
on behalf of the citizens of Eastern *and* western mainland Europe.

Does Litwin know about this?

Putin´s ruble goes straight into a toilet seat! 80,2 today I predict 100 r for one $ the very next week !Flush into a toilet seat entire Pootin´s ulus

Nothing much is possible when Russia is being led by a very strong and resolute leader like Putin. LOL. you try to spell a THUG ? A GANG LEADER ? YOUR ULUS IS DYING OUT , YOU KNOW IT ? IT PRODUCES 1% OF THE WORLD GDP, 0 CHANCE AGAINST US For the first time since WW" , more than 2.5...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[konradv]

A lot of Russians left in Lithuania. Probably some commies, too.

 

[Otis Mayfield]

So, when Putin gets back all of the old Warsaw Pact countries, Poland, Latvia, etc.

What if he doesn't quit there. What if he takes Germany? Or Finland. Or Sweden?

When will you cry out, "STOP!"

You have to be careful when you deal with bullies.

 

[White 6]

Russia urges NATO to withdraw forces from Eastern Europe and reduce tensions — statement

This is one of the key points of Russian proposals for NATO on guarantees of security, Russian Foreign Ministry deputy spokesman Alexey Zaytsev noted

And i bet there are many more such men (and women, and children), to be found in governments that now cling to NATO mostly like beggars look for scraps of money.

NATO has been far too aggressive, in my humble opinion, encroaching on Russia's western borders.

You know what was said about angering the 'Russian bear'.. that it is very very dangerous.
Translation : to hurt Russian pride this way, to deny them their old allies for their new Russian Federation, as part of the Communist Alliance (yet another Empire, just like NATO+EU+AUKUS), is complete idiocy. Pardon my French, Democratic babyboomer Cold War 1 warriors.

But i'll keep saying it.

Freedom of speech.

It's an asset, allright.

Just not always pleasant when used in public.

YOU ARE FORCING ME TO DO THIS, BIDEN AND TRUMP ADMIN COMMUNITIES.
on behalf of the citizens of Eastern *and* western mainland Europe.

Sound like somebody still suffering from Stockholm syndrome a psychological condition in which hostages form a bond with their captors.

 

[flacaltenn]

Russia urges NATO to withdraw forces from Eastern Europe and reduce tensions — statement

This is one of the key points of Russian proposals for NATO on guarantees of security, Russian Foreign Ministry deputy spokesman Alexey Zaytsev noted

And i bet there are many more such men (and women, and children), to be found in governments that now cling to NATO mostly like beggars look for scraps of money.

NATO has been far too aggressive, in my humble opinion, encroaching on Russia's western borders.

You know what was said about angering the 'Russian bear'.. that it is very very dangerous.
Translation : to hurt Russian pride this way, to deny them their old allies for their new Russian Federation, as part of the Communist Alliance (yet another Empire, just like NATO+EU+AUKUS), is complete idiocy. Pardon my French, Democratic babyboomer Cold War 1 warriors.

But i'll keep saying it.

Freedom of speech.

It's an asset, allright.

Just not always pleasant when used in public.

YOU ARE FORCING ME TO DO THIS, BIDEN AND TRUMP ADMIN COMMUNITIES.
on behalf of the citizens of Eastern *and* western mainland Europe.

The purpose of NATO was to contain Russian aggression. Do we STILL need to worry about that? Probably yeah -- given Putin's taking of Crimea without a whimper out of NATO.

Do we INCITE Russian aggression by EXPANDING NATO? For sure we do. We should STOP the expansion closer and closer to his borders. But the downside is --- the will of about 3 or 4 advanced Euro countries will be subjugated to Putin's desire to "get the USSR back together". And he will then EXPAND to the borders of ORIGINAL NATO charter members.

Looks like a bigger picture map of Soviet territory is what needs to be drawn.

Greed for expansion of HIS country is balanced by a need to LIMIT that greed.

 

[Captain Caveman]

The purpose of NATO was to contain Russian aggression. Do we STILL need to worry about that? Probably yeah -- given Putin's taking of Crimea without a whimper out of NATO.

Do we INCITE Russian aggression by EXPANDING NATO? For sure we do. We should STOP the expansion closer and closer to his borders. But the downside is --- the will of about 3 or 4 advanced Euro countries will be subjugated to Putin's desire to "get the USSR back together". And he will then EXPAND to the borders of ORIGINAL NATO charter members.

Looks like a bigger picture map of Soviet territory is what needs to be drawn.

Greed for expansion of HIS country is balanced by a need to LIMIT that greed.

Putin is all talk and no action. NATO are basically telling Putin to go and do one. Ukraine will probably join NATO, and Putin can do bugger all about it. The only tool he has, is gas. But Europe's climate freaks have windmills, so all's good...... allegedly.

 

[flacaltenn]

Putin is all talk and no action. NATO are basically telling Putin to go and do one. Ukraine will probably join NATO, and Putin can do bugger all about it. The only tool he has, is gas. But Europe's climate freaks have windmills, so all's good...... allegedly.

He's got Germany by the tiny parts on energy since they screwed all that up. You can't KEEP expanding NATO and not have the guy toss tantrums. And when Putin tosses tantrums -- he usually gets stuff in return -- like Crimea.

Angry Gramps is REWARDING him with oil going up to record highs. Almost as tho maybe -- HE had 2 hookers peeing on his bed in Moscow with his son present.

 

[evenflow1969]

Russia urges NATO to withdraw forces from Eastern Europe and reduce tensions — statement

This is one of the key points of Russian proposals for NATO on guarantees of security, Russian Foreign Ministry deputy spokesman Alexey Zaytsev noted

And i bet there are many more such men (and women, and children), to be found in governments that now cling to NATO mostly like beggars look for scraps of money.

NATO has been far too aggressive, in my humble opinion, encroaching on Russia's western borders.

You know what was said about angering the 'Russian bear'.. that it is very very dangerous.
Translation : to hurt Russian pride this way, to deny them their old allies for their new Russian Federation, as part of the Communist Alliance (yet another Empire, just like NATO+EU+AUKUS), is complete idiocy. Pardon my French, Democratic babyboomer Cold War 1 warriors.

But i'll keep saying it.

Freedom of speech.

It's an asset, allright.

Just not always pleasant when used in public.

YOU ARE FORCING ME TO DO THIS, BIDEN AND TRUMP ADMIN COMMUNITIES.
on behalf of the citizens of Eastern *and* western mainland Europe.

Lol That ass hole Putin sits in his borders he has nothing to worry about. He can lick our ass on everything else.

 

[White 6]

Putin is all talk and no action. NATO are basically telling Putin to go and do one. Ukraine will probably join NATO, and Putin can do bugger all about it. The only tool he has, is gas. But Europe's climate freaks have windmills, so all's good...... allegedly.

Don't count on it. He is cold, calculating, believes in the politics of power, including military power, that might, makes right and he would like the old soviet put back together with its satellite counties that broke away to get their freedom.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Don't count on it. He is cold, calculating, believes in the politics of power, including military power, that might, makes right and he would like the old soviet put back together with its satellite counties that broke away to get their freedom.

For years, he's always sent aircraft and ships to fly and sail close to borders. He's full of hot air.

 

[White 6]

For years, he's always sent aircraft and ships to fly and sail close to borders. He's full of hot air.

He will take what he is allowed to take, as he has proven already. Don't fool yourself.

 

[B. Kidd]

Don't count on it. He is cold, calculating, believes in the politics of power, including military power, that might, makes right and he would like the old soviet put back together with its satellite counties that broke away to get their freedom.

You have some helluva old cold war hangover.

 

[peacefan]

So, when Putin gets back all of the old Warsaw Pact countries, Poland, Latvia, etc.

What if he doesn't quit there. What if he takes Germany? Or Finland. Or Sweden?

When will you cry out, "STOP!"

You have to be careful when you deal with bullies.

i was *merely* talking about Russia's western border states. yes, west-Ukraine included because *we*, as part of our "drive east", installed the local national cookies-for-kids factory owner as the nato-friendly national politician there..

now the Russian-friendly leader is back, and we should take into account that a pincer move or divide-and-conquer move between commie Russia and China is very likely to backfire...

you can talk 'weak rubble' all you want all day, fact is : Russian army men are anything but weak. So are Chinese mainlanders, on land, that is.

 

[peacefan]

He will take what he is allowed to take, as he has proven already. Don't fool yourself.

This is NOT post-WW2, where Russians had all the reasons to invade Berlin.

This is the early 21st century, and you already heard the rest of my arguments for this day and age.
google.com :
peacefan site:usmessageboard.com

should be very revealing to you...

 

[White 6]

This is NOT post-WW2, where Russians had all the reasons to invade Berlin.

This is the early 21st century, and you already heard the rest of my arguments for this day and age.
google.com :
peacefan site:usmessageboard.com

should be very revealing to you...

Think what you like. I'll go with the opinions of Retired General, and former Supreme Commander of NATO. He is more informed than you. I suspect, I am too.

 

[gipper]

The purpose of NATO was to contain Russian aggression. Do we STILL need to worry about that? Probably yeah -- given Putin's taking of Crimea without a whimper out of NATO.

Do we INCITE Russian aggression by EXPANDING NATO? For sure we do. We should STOP the expansion closer and closer to his borders. But the downside is --- the will of about 3 or 4 advanced Euro countries will be subjugated to Putin's desire to "get the USSR back together". And he will then EXPAND to the borders of ORIGINAL NATO charter members.

Looks like a bigger picture map of Soviet territory is what needs to be drawn.

Greed for expansion of HIS country is balanced by a need to LIMIT that greed.

You can’t take something that has always been yours.

Quick question. Please compare the number of nations the US has invaded or attacked to that by Putin?

 

[peacefan]

Lol That ass hole Putin sits in his borders he has nothing to worry about. He can lick our ass on everything else.

So eager to take on the Muslim Fundamentalists and Communist Alliance at the same time eh, you yanks.
Careful, or Europe might deny you entry visa for your gun-free holidays here just over the fact you appear like the new Nazis.

 

[gipper]

Don't count on it. He is cold, calculating, believes in the politics of power, including military power, that might, makes right and he would like the old soviet put back together with its satellite counties that broke away to get their freedom.

No evidence for this belief.