Time to form a new nation?

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A long, but interesting read!

Time to form a new nation!
Source: BushCountry.org

Jane Chastain and Linda Bowles, two of the smartest women and best columnists on the national scene these days, each wrote separate but equally alarming tomes on Tuesday, regarding the progression (or regression, depending on your point of view) of American government over the past several decades.

Essentially, each said America today resembles little to nothing of the nation our ancestors founded, then fought and died for – to say nothing of the scores who died defending it since then.

A more subtle point made in both articles was this: If we don't like the form modern America has taken, there is little time left for concerned citizens to change its direction, lest it become the kind of socialist, authoritarian hellhole we supposedly despise and – at least once – ideologically opposed.

In her column, Chastain, citing data from a new study on the huge growth of federal outlays, spending and bureaucracy since the passage of the 16th Amendment (authorizing an income tax, in 1913), warned, "it is time this nation has a frank and open discussion about the size and cost of government before we reach the point of no return."

Meanwhile, Bowles' column, which decried the rapid encroachment of federal control and regulatory authority over private property ownership and rights, mentioned that little debate about this dictatorial phenomenon had taken place, outside of the localized areas where some of the worst abuses were occurring.

"One hopes this is due to a lack of coverage by the mainstream media, rather than a fatalistic American submission to state socialism. One fears that only in retrospect, when it is too late to resist, will it be understood that freedoms have been irretrievably forfeited and the Constitution irreversibly abandoned," Bowles wrote.

On the 57th anniversary of D-Day, the allied invasion launched during World War II to exterminate the Nazi threat to the world, I think it is more than appropriate to explore the incredible usurpation of federal power in the past several decades and, perhaps most importantly, discuss what we ought to do about it.

There are lots of "mini-issues" floating about, but they basically revolve around the general issues of whether our nation, our people, prefer the continued encroachment of state (meaning federal) control over every aspect of our lives, vs. those who don't.

In the pro-big government camp are Americans who don't mind sacrificing most of their earnings to unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats and unresponsive elected officials. They don't mind relying on Washington for a host of taxpayer-funded benefits, and they are agreeable to the notion that personal responsibility and independence should be sacrificed to the power, arbitration and façade of "security" offered by most of our leaders.

To them, there is no limit to Washington's power or reach, save for small, specific limits on just a handful of personal liberties. And they view people who oppose these ideals as anachronistic, pinhead extremists who are too dumb and unsophisticated to know what's good for them.

On the other side is the small government camp, inhabited by people who believe in our Constitution, verbatim, and who hold personal liberty and responsibility so dear that they dare to expect others to hold similar views.

They abhor all but the most limited, specific and narrowly defined forms of taxation because they believe their money belongs to them, and that the federal government only needs enough funding to perform its few, narrowly defined, constitutional duties.

These folks hate waste, fraud and abuse, would rather seek a hand-up from a friend or church than a hand-out from the government, and believe Washington has proven it cannot solve our problems, try as it may.

They hate regulations, unfunded mandates, interference in personal affairs and subjugation of constitutional liberties. They see the huge growth of the federal government as an impetus towards global imperialism, authoritarianism, and eventual dictatorship.

In short, they believe that the larger and more powerful Washington is, the less freedom, independence, money and opportunity they will be afforded. And they view people who oppose these ideals as socialist, pinhead extremists who are demonstrably not as bright as they think they are, and who lack even the knowledge sufficient to realize that.

How, in the very same country, can two such diametrically opposed groups co-exist for the long run? Answer: They can't.

America, it is obvious to me, has grown so large and so diverse that it is nothing more than a mere shell of its founding self.

Our modern-day federalists have managed to subvert our constitutional representative republic with a new "democracy" that contains, at its core, an underlying set of political ideals so foreign, so wrong, and so hypocritical, that serious historians recognize it as the basis for our original war of independence.

Serious constitutional reformers have been either shut out of national debate or demonized into submission. Both major parties today offer only varying degrees of a larger federal role in our lives.

Federal agencies no longer feel compelled to act within the law, let alone within their mandates, but when caught in scandal, lawmakers possess neither the will or desire to force them to be accountable.

Federal courts cannot even agree on the same constitutional mandates and passages, though the language is clear.

Congress has reduced itself to the role of a political whore wherein, every two to six years, its members sacrifice principle and honor to bend over for every special interest willing to spend boatloads of money on them. This process has worked to ensure that ordinary citizens are shut out of decisions made affecting none other than ordinary citizens.

The "will of the people" has become a congressional buzz phrase, but that "will" is measured with phony polls and surveys that, strangely, always echo the sentiment of the lawmaker touting the results. This charade is perpetrated by big government allies in most mainstream media outlets.

Our leaders have forced their way into the affairs of other countries so often than now even allies are questioning our motives and asking us to butt out. As a result of our interference, we have been reduced to building memorials to our fallen heroes – who have died in places that pose no threat to our nation – but we are denied the opportunity to choose when and where our heroes will be sent to die.

The laws of our land are either followed or ignored by our leaders, depending upon whose ox is to be gored, but these same hypocrites require the rest of us to follow all laws all the time, without question.

In short, our political process – indeed, the entire direction of our nation – has been put on autopilot. It has been taken out of our control, and we are heading away from our constitutional roots faster than at any time in our history.

We are no longer a nation "of the people, for the people, and by the people," but one for the politicians, of the special interests, and by the will of the federal judiciary.

Still, we have a choice, if we're brave and committed enough to pursue it.

I believe it is time for Americans to admit we are beyond the scope of "political, social and cultural" reconciliation. I believe it is time to act on our consciences, principles, and sense of duty. I believe it is time for Americans to choose what this nation has become, or abandon it to form a new, separate nation based on what it was always intended to be.

I would support the creation of state ballot initiatives, whereby citizens could vote on whether their state should remain in this union or leave it. Short of such a dramatic step, any further discussions of "reforming the system" will be as meaningful as one of Bill Clinton's promises.

There was a time when I was idealistic enough to believe Americans could and would come together to effect the kind of changes that obviously need to be made on a national level. Over the years, however, this idealist notion was dimmed and finally snuffed by the repetitive hypocrisy and chronically corrupt (and unpunished) behavior of our leaders.

I believe tens of millions of my countrymen feel the same way, but were just waiting for somebody else to say it aloud.
 
It is beyond argument that the United States of America is gone. It is a shell of itself, a cruel parody, an absurdity spinning out of control. We pay half our earning to the federal government, when once upon a time, there was no federal income tax. Most of what Congress does is unconstitutional. The founding fathers wanted states to govern themselves on local matters. Today, they have zero power. The feds have all the power. This is not what was meant. Meanwhile, our nation has gone from 90 percent white, with clear barriers between black and white, to coming up on LESS THAN 50 PERCENT WHITE. If you think this is a good thing, travel to LA or the Bronx and take a walk around. It is time for the Second American Revolution.

Let's get the show started.
 
You will NEVER see anything even remotely resembling that article run on a liberal media outlet, of any type. Big government is what they want. Pure communism. Redistribution of wealth. Don't think so? Ask Lurch, er.... kerry who he thinks is going to pay for his socialistic medical program. Oooops, well, I guess he's already spilled the answer. He's going to RESIND THE BUSH TAX CUTS, AND THEN UP THEM AGAIN!

Ooooooooh yeaaaaaaah! Don't ya love it?! The left won't be happy until you work MOST OF THE YEAR just to pay your taxes. Unbelievable. And there's actually nut cases that are going to VOTE for that.... :mad:
 
William Joyce said:
It is time for the Second American Revolution.

Let's get the show started.

I've been saying there'll be another Civil War in America for quite a few years now. I don't think it's too far off either.
 
America's structures are Western. Your Congress, your lobbying groups, your free speech, and the way ordinary Americans either get involved or ignore politics are peculiarly Western, not the way most of the world operates. But the fact that only about a third of Americans deem it important to vote is horrifying in light of how close you are to losing your Western character.

Writing letters to the press, manning stands at county fairs, hosting fund-raising dinners, attending rallies, setting up conferences, writing your Congressman -- that is what you know, and what you are comfortable with. Those are the political methods you've created for yourselves to keep your country on track and to ensure political accountability.

But woe to you if -- or more likely, when -- the rules change. White Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to cope with the new rules of the game -- violence, mob riots, intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power from the haves -- Americans, like others before them, will no doubt cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately their way of life.
http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/starticles/2001/mar/arrn031201.htm
 
Pale Rider said:
I've been saying there'll be another Civil War in America for quite a few years now. I don't think it's too far off either.

And the conservatives will win because we:
1. are not pussies and we stand up to evil, and spit in it's face rather than coddle it
2. are pro-military
3. would rather die for our country because our family is here and we are willing to take the steps necessary, no matter how bloody, to defend it.
4. believe in the 2nd amendment

any other conservative want to add to the list, be my guest!
 
Bullypulpit said:
And you call me a radical looney... :rolleyes:

I post stuff for others to read and debate about. If you notice, I did not post an opinion.


:finger3:
 
fuzzykitten99 said:
And the conservatives will win because we:
1. are not pussies and we stand up to evil, and spit in it's face rather than coddle it
theres more non-pussy liberals than you might think
fuzzykitten99 said:
2. are pro-military
alot of us liberals are former military
3. would rather die for our country because our family is here and we are willing to take the steps necessary, no matter how bloody, to defend it.
fuzzykitten99 said:
4. believe in the 2nd amendment
so do SOME of us liberals

any other conservative want to add to the list, be my guest! [/QUOTE]
 

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