Zone1 Jewish nationality and Judaism as a religion

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It has been published. A page that focuses on " modern scholarly approaches" won't focus on it.

The authors were men. That's a fact.

 

[rosends]

The authors were men. That's a fact.

No, it isn't. You must not know what a fact is. I can give you all sorts of resources but your track record indicates that you won't read any.

 

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No, it isn't. You must not know what a fact is. I can give you all sorts of resources but your track record indicates that you won't read any.

The authors of all religious texts were men, dummy.

 

[BreezeWood]

Had the world not spent the last 2,000 years proving that Jews, living as Jews or not living as Jews, are at risk in a non-Jewish host country, the state of Israel would not be essential to the survival of Jews.

judaisms claim for a state based on their assertion for their being a special people is long since without merit and has never been taken seriously than by themselves is the true source for their deserved discomfort - as a state of apartheid in itself is a threat to all well being individuals or the liest a heavenly pursuit.

 

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has never been taken seriously than by themselves

That's not true. The OT describes a people that cycled between remembering and forgetting God and the consequences of those actions. You shouldn't read anything more into it.

 

[rosends]

The authors of all religious texts were men, dummy.

oh look -- more of your belief. (you might want to check to see where your post here fits in that pyramid)

 

[Woodznutz]

That's not very helpful in understanding why you believe God fulfills his prophecies. What kind of prophecies are we talking about? Successful behaviors lead to success? Sure. That's pretty generic and full of self evident truth.

Parables and proverbs aren't really prophecy. I especially like Revelation 12, accurate prophecy concerning the church.

 

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Parables and proverbs aren't really prophecy. I especially like Revelation 12, accurate prophecy concerning the church.

Successful behaviors leading to success isn't a parable or a proverb, it is a statistical reality. So of course it can be prophesized. I dare say, it - or its counter - lie at the heart of all prophecies.

 

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oh look -- more of your belief. (you might want to check to see where your post here fits in that pyramid)

I wasn't making a counter argument, so that graphic does not apply 100%. I was making a primary argument. Which the evidence for had already been established in post #55 where the authors names were cataloged.

 

[rosends]

I wasn't making a counter argument, so that graphic does not apply 100%. I was making a primary argument. Which the evidence for had already been established in post #55 where the authors names were cataloged.

no, you were calling me a name. Graham's Hierarchy applies. Deal with it.

and if you think anything useful was catalogued in that post, then the post I put up in response refuted that. Next?

 

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no, you were calling me a name. Graham's Hierarchy applies. Deal with it.

and if you think anything useful was catalogued in that post, then the post I put up in response refuted that. Next?

Follow the exchange from the beginning starting with post #29.

 

[rosends]

Follow the exchange from the beginning starting with post #29.

Post 29 -- you make an uncited and unproven claim
43 -- I point out your lack of proof
47 -- you encourage me to google your claim to find support
49 -- I state that letting google do your thinking is a bad idea
50 -- you tell me to ask others
51 -- I say I have and present proof of others' positions matching mine.
55 -- you encourage me to "publish" what I have just shown you, and then you cite a wiki page
60 -- After reading the page, I explain that it is a page designed to give a modern, scholarly view. If you limit your search, you limit the answers.
61 -- You simply restate your initial, unsupported claim
62 -- I mirror and deny your claim
63 -- you restate and insult
66 -- I point out the ad hom

What else did you want me to follow?

 

[Woodznutz]

Successful behaviors leading to success isn't a parable or a proverb, it is a statistical reality. So of course it can be prophesized. I dare say, it - or its counter - lie at the heart of all prophecies.

Most prophecies don't foretell success. The parables and proverbs generally do, if followed.

 

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Most prophecies don't foretell success. The parables and proverbs generally do, if followed.

There are two sides to that coin. Failed behaviors leading to failure and successful behaviors leading to success. Most prophecies are about one or the other. It's an overarching theme throughout the OT. Including the prophecies. It ties into the overarching theme of this is the story of a people who cycled between remembering and forgetting God and what happened to them when they did.

 

[BreezeWood]

That's not true. The OT describes a people that cycled between remembering and forgetting God and the consequences of those actions. You shouldn't read anything more into it.

judaisms claim for a state based on their assertion for their being a special people is long since without merit and has never been taken seriously than by themselves is the true source for their deserved discomfort - as a state of apartheid in itself is a threat to all well being individuals or the liest a heavenly pursuit.

forgetting - bing is a joke ... it's never forgotten - for them.

there is not one heart beat any jew has ever had without believing without interruption they are more special than everyone else - that is their religion ...

* because they choose to believe one person who told them that's what the heavens said to them without witness thousands of years ago and they use that single example as though it happened earlier that morning and have been doing so for the same thousands of years ever since.

 

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there is not one heart beat any jew has ever had without believing without interruption they are more special than everyone else - that is their religion ...

"Jews from antiquity did not see themselves as singled out for privileges. They were chosen to serve, and to suffer the trials that service would often exact.

Isaiah's doctrine of vicarious suffering meant that the Jews were elected to shoulder a suffering that would otherwise have been distributed more widely.

It is the doctrine that God's doings can focus like a burning glass on particular times, places, and peoples - in the interest, to be sure, of intentions that embrace human beings universally." ~Huston Smith

You'll have to ask rosends why he thinks he is special today. He seems to have forgotten his way. You and him seem to be sour grapes on the vine.

 

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Post 29 -- you make an uncited and unproven claim
43 -- I point out your lack of proof
47 -- you encourage me to google your claim to find support
49 -- I state that letting google do your thinking is a bad idea
50 -- you tell me to ask others
51 -- I say I have and present proof of others' positions matching mine.
55 -- you encourage me to "publish" what I have just shown you, and then you cite a wiki page
60 -- After reading the page, I explain that it is a page designed to give a modern, scholarly view. If you limit your search, you limit the answers.
61 -- You simply restate your initial, unsupported claim
62 -- I mirror and deny your claim
63 -- you restate and insult
66 -- I point out the ad hom

What else did you want me to follow?

You are about as dishonest as you can be.

a nation of Israel bound by the divine laws.

Written by men.

this is your opinion.

No. It's a fact. Maybe google authors of the Bible?

So you let google do your thinking for you. Not surprising.

Then maybe go ask your rabbi about the men who wrote the Torah.

My rabbi (and a whole bunch of others) agree with me.

Great. Then they should publish it so you can cite it and footnote it.

Authorship of the Bible - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

^^^ here's my evidence which proves men wrote the bible.

 

[BreezeWood]

They were chosen to serve

* because they choose to believe one person who told them that's what the heavens said to them without witness thousands of years ago

a&e chose liberation theology, self determination as taught by jesus - not the desert religions of servitude and denial.

- worshipers will never reside in the everlasting.

 

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a&e chose liberation theology, self determination as taught by jesus - not the desert religions of servitude and denial.

- worshipers will never reside in the everlasting.

No. They chose to rationalize their decision and blame God for their mistake.

 

[Woodznutz]

No. They chose to rationalize their decision and blame God for their mistake.

God blamed Adam.
Adam blamed Eve.
Eve blamed the snake.
And he didn't have a leg to stand on.