Zone1 If Jesus Was A Jew

[Rambunctious]

In Judaism, immersion in a ritual pool was part of every Jew's life. It has nothing to do with the arrival of the Messiah.

Baptisms were a new concept... Jesus began his ministry after his baptism...


The baptism was a crucial first step in Jesus' ministry, which led to his crucifixion. It was also a new ritual within Judaism that marked the arrival of the Messiah

The baptism of Jesus (Matthew 3:13-17) - The identity of Jesus - CCEA - GCSE Religious Studies Revision - CCEA - BBC Bitesize

Study the identity of Jesus from Matthew and Luke’s gospel in the Bible, including his birth, baptism, the temptations and the transfiguration.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[rosends]

Baptisms were a new concept... Jesus began his ministry after his baptism...


The baptism was a crucial first step in Jesus' ministry, which led to his crucifixion. It was also a new ritual within Judaism that marked the arrival of the Messiah

The baptism of Jesus (Matthew 3:13-17) - The identity of Jesus - CCEA - GCSE Religious Studies Revision - CCEA - BBC Bitesize

Study the identity of Jesus from Matthew and Luke’s gospel in the Bible, including his birth, baptism, the temptations and the transfiguration.

www.bbc.co.uk

Ah, a NEW ritual. So not part of Judaism.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Baptisms were a new concept... Jesus began his ministry after his baptism...


The baptism was a crucial first step in Jesus' ministry, which led to his crucifixion. It was also a new ritual within Judaism that marked the arrival of the Messiah

The baptism of Jesus (Matthew 3:13-17) - The identity of Jesus - CCEA - GCSE Religious Studies Revision - CCEA - BBC Bitesize

Study the identity of Jesus from Matthew and Luke’s gospel in the Bible, including his birth, baptism, the temptations and the transfiguration.

www.bbc.co.uk

Jews were coming to John to be baptized. He sent many away and told them to come back with "fruit that showed true repentance"

 

[rosends]

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The Jesus Narrative In The Talmud

Jesus in the Talmud.

www.angelfire.com

Here you go. Central refutation placed in the right thread.

 

[Rambunctious]

Ah, a NEW ritual. So not part of Judaism.

It was John the Baptist in the river Jordon and he wanted to spread the world of the teachings in the first testament and Judaism... At first he was reluctant to baptize Jesus but he did after meeting with him...

 

[ding]

The Jesus Narrative In The Talmud

Jesus in the Talmud.

www.angelfire.com

Here you go. Central refutation placed in the right thread.

Nope. Your response was a contradiction and nothing more. All fur coat and no trousers.

 

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This is what an argument based upon facts and reason looks like.

 

[ding]

Your Christian source uses a poor translation and doesn't address the history and facts which prove the claim wrong. Of course that was all in the web page I linked to that you didn't read...

This is what a contradiction looks like.

 

[rosends]

This is what a contradiction looks like.

can you explain the two contradictory claims? Much appreciated.

 

[irosie91]

Your Christian source uses a poor translation and doesn't address the history and facts which prove the claim wrong. Of course that was all in the web page I linked to that you didn't read...

does not come close to doing anything for me----tenuous connections to
this or that phrase.

 

[irosie91]

In Judaism, immersion in a ritual pool was part of every Jew's life. It has nothing to do with the arrival of the Messiah.

It's almost funny---what christians make of john the mikveh man

 

[irosie91]

Jews were coming to John to be baptized. He sent many away and told them to come back with "fruit that showed true repentance"

Jews were coming to the Jordan to "be baptized..." by John? Jews don't need
anyone to help JUMP them into the Jordan to engage in the old time MIKVEH
ceremony----what does "baptized by john...." mean?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Jews were coming to the Jordan to "be baptized..." by John? Jews don't need
anyone to help JUMP them into the Jordan to engage in the old time MIKVEH
ceremony----what does "baptized by john...." mean?

 

[ding]

can you explain the two contradictory claims? Much appreciated.

If you can't follow the discussion, I can't help you. It's because you don't want to.

 

[rosends]

If you can't follow the discussion, I can't help you. It's because you don't want to.

and if you want to make unsupported statements and not give any proof, then you just go ahead and do that. Those of us who understand what argumentation is will keep laughing at you.

 

[irosie91]

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nope---your source is not a jewish one----immersion was ALSO done
as a part of repentence LONG BEFORE little Jesus was born in the manger
or his cousin JOHN was born----try as you will----you cannot make the
act of "christian origin" ----nice of you to adopt it

 

[irosie91]

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ok ---nuthin' particularly NEW

 

[Carl in Michigan]

nope---your source is not a jewish one----immersion was ALSO done
as a part of repentence LONG BEFORE little Jesus was born in the manger
or his cousin JOHN was born----try as you will----you cannot make the
act of "christian origin" ----nice of you to adopt it

John the Baptist would have sent you away and told you to bring forth fruit fitting of repentance

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Then why aren't Christians Jewish? I don't get it.

They are Jews, you are correct and this is revealed by Christ, here:

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The term Jew is a term that has a physical and spiritual meaning. Many prophecies about "Jews" are prophecies about Christians, those who have been called out spiritually much as Jews were called out physically in the Exodus.

Many people only consider physical Jew when trying to understand scripture, yet here we have it plain, physical Jews are NOT "Jews" they are not what is meant. A "real" Jew is one who has been called out, chosen, by God.

 

[rosends]

They are Jews, you are correct and this is revealed by Christ, here:

The term Jew is a term that has a physical and spiritual meaning. Many prophecies about "Jews" are prophecies about Christians, those who have been called out spiritually much as Jews were called out physically in the Exodus.

Many people only consider physical Jew when trying to understand scripture, yet here we have it plain, physical Jews are NOT "Jews" they are not what is meant. A "real" Jew is one who has been called out, chosen, by God.

the funniest part of all this is the use of the word "Jew" (Ἰουδαῖός) in relatively early Christian texts when that wasn't a word that Jews would have used to identify themselves until very late in the textual game, so none of the biblical prophecies would have mentioned "Jews".