The left believes in government. The right believes in freedom.

[Metzor]

The left believes in government. The right believes in freedom.

Well, the right ‘believes’ in freedom only when it comports with their errant dogma.

For example, the right doesn’t believe in freedom for same-sex couples, or gay Americans, or transgender persons. The right doesn’t believe in freedom for low-income minority voters, or freedom for those who receive public assistance, or those who are immigrants.

You think favoritism and handouts are freedom?

In fact, for nearly 60 years, liberals have fought for the freedom of millions of Americans, where it was conservatives who sought to deny those Americans their freedom. Liberals fought to end segregation, discrimination, and in support of voting rights. Liberals fought for the privacy rights of Americans, their right to counsel, their right to due process of the law, their right to equal access of the law, and their right to marry – all opposed by conservatives every step of the way.

Well, there's a pant load of half assed nonsense.

So the OP will understand that most will correctly perceive his premise as nonsense, where the overwhelming evidence clearly demonstrates that liberals have been the true champions of freedom.

No. Liberals can't really handle freedom at all. Freedom is for individuals, it's doesn't apply to groups. Government is supposed to be blind to groups of sexual oddballs, the poor, the old, minorities and the sick. Dividing the population into groups may work well when it comes to vote buying, but it removes freedom from individuals.

 

[occupied]

The left believes in government. The right believes in freedom.

Well, the right ‘believes’ in freedom only when it comports with their errant dogma.

For example, the right doesn’t believe in freedom for same-sex couples, or gay Americans, or transgender persons. The right doesn’t believe in freedom for low-income minority voters, or freedom for those who receive public assistance, or those who are immigrants.

You think favoritism and handouts are freedom?

In fact, for nearly 60 years, liberals have fought for the freedom of millions of Americans, where it was conservatives who sought to deny those Americans their freedom. Liberals fought to end segregation, discrimination, and in support of voting rights. Liberals fought for the privacy rights of Americans, their right to counsel, their right to due process of the law, their right to equal access of the law, and their right to marry – all opposed by conservatives every step of the way.

Well, there's a pant load of half assed nonsense.

So the OP will understand that most will correctly perceive his premise as nonsense, where the overwhelming evidence clearly demonstrates that liberals have been the true champions of freedom.

No. Liberals can't really handle freedom at all. Freedom is for individuals, it's doesn't apply to groups. Government is supposed to be blind to groups of sexual oddballs, the poor, the old, minorities and the sick. Dividing the population into groups may work well when it comes to vote buying, but it removes freedom from individuals.

Seriously? Freedom is most important when it applies to groups of citizens and their ability to freely petition the government if they feel they are being repressed or exploited as a group. What is an angry man? Nothing, he's easily silenced and ignored. What's an angry crowd? It can be many things but it is never just ignored.

 

[francoHFW]

Conservative slave owners are now conservative racists- Still that's progress...

OP- Dems believe gov't's abilityto protect them from greedy idiot Pubs and corporations, now that the greatest generation and unions' power is gone- The right are the greedy rich and their brainwashed ignorami. See sig for what Reaganism has given us- and please remember that blacks are discriminated against and their problem is poverty- they're not much worse off than poor whites- and they're PRESSURED into those inner cities......

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Here's the simple difference between the left and the right on economic issues. They trust bigger government. We trust you. Liberals want to raise the minimum wage because they don't think you have the right to form your own contract with your employer. They passed social security/Medicare/Obamacare because they think that the government is better at spending your money than you are. Now, 1/3 to 1/2 of people's paychecks are going to Uncle Sam to pay for those who don't earn a paycheck. The left's core principles are rooted in the fact that they do not believe that people have a right to pursue their own happiness and follow their own hopes and dreams.

The right recognizes that there are natural differences in ability and effort and that to truly promote human happiness and dignity, we should give all the right to pursue their own course. We believe in free will, a free market, and a free people. So the next time you hear a leftist babbling about income inequality, remember that what those leftists really want to do is to take away your freedom.

You have a poor understanding of the left. Most liberals do believe in the free market. We just think government has its place in it. As successful capitalism is as an economic system, its fatal flaw that if left unchecked, the wealthy dictate the quality of life for everyone.

The middle class is shrinking while only the wealthy become more and more powerful despite the booming productivity that occurs in the lower classes.

I'm all for a wealthy class, but I am also all for a thriving middle class .

The 85 richest people in the world have as much wealth as half the planet. Obviously that is a problem.

True.

Liberals correctly understand that the government and people are one in the same, where government acts at the behest of the people; and when the people err and government acts in a manner offensive to the Constitution, those adversely effected are at liberty to seek relief in the Federal courts.

Liberals correctly understand that the Constitution affords Congress powers both enumerated and implied, where the Commerce Clause authorizes government to enact regulatory measures concerning workplace safety, the safety of goods and services sold, and wage and hiring practices.

Regulatory policies are both appropriate and Constitutional, where conservative efforts to end such policies are unwarranted and reckless – it is unrealistic and naïve for reactionary conservatives to seek to return the Nation to the pre-Lochner Era of an 18th Century economic paradigm in the 21st Century.

 

[LoneLaugher]

The quest for simple answers to complex problems guides many.

 

[bripat9643]

You are still in high school? Must be. That's what you said. LMAO.

Get a job, raise a family, survive and prosper. Until then, well I'll be nice. You might only be 16. LMAO.

Anybody can be a parrot young man. Doesn't mean you are smart about anything. Just means you are a parrot. Talking about shit that you just don't know.

He shows a lot more sense than you do, Zeke.

How old are you?

Briarpatty, lets face it, as long as someone, anyone, agrees with the fucked up thinking that you have, you would consider them MENSA candidates. Doesn't mean anything other than that they agree with your fucked up thinking.

Hey at least I was nice to the high school kid. That's an improvement for me.

When you can prove my thinking is "fucked up" perhaps I'll pay attention to what you have to say. So far, all the evidence indicates that you're brainwashed and you believe every stupid idea ever conceived of.

 

[bripat9643]

Has anyone noticed that the states that are bitching about "states rights" in regards to gay marriage were the same states bitching about "states rights" in regards to slavery?

You mean like California?

 

[bripat9643]

After we suppress everyone and everything, we will have only each other to suppress. It's a bleak future, to be sure, but when it's all said and done, only one man will rule the world. And he will be a right winger. So it might be worth it.

We don't oppress anyone. It's liberals who insult women by saying they can't control their birth control, insult minorities by saying they're not good enough to get into college without affirmative action, insult gays by making them feel like they can't control their feelings, insult science by manipulating data on global warming to suit their agenda, and insult voters by promoting rampant ACORN voter fraud.

There is a difference between propaganda and facts. For instance the long lines of people waiting to vote was evidence of "voter suppression". See how easy that was?

What "long lines?" I never saw any such lines, and I never saw any video of such lines. Do you have any actual hard evidence that such a thing occurred?

 

[KNB]

 

[Bfgrn]

Here's the simple difference between the left and the right on economic issues. They trust bigger government. We trust you. Liberals want to raise the minimum wage because they don't think you have the right to form your own contract with your employer. They passed social security/Medicare/Obamacare because they think that the government is better at spending your money than you are. Now, 1/3 to 1/2 of people's paychecks are going to Uncle Sam to pay for those who don't earn a paycheck. The left's core principles are rooted in the fact that they do not believe that people have a right to pursue their own happiness and follow their own hopes and dreams.

The right recognizes that there are natural differences in ability and effort and that to truly promote human happiness and dignity, we should give all the right to pursue their own course. We believe in free will, a free market, and a free people. So the next time you hear a leftist babbling about income inequality, remember that what those leftists really want to do is to take away your freedom.

A big pile of crap... conservatives have NEVER given us less government. They have given us MORE government.

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

 

[norwegen]

Here's the simple difference between the left and the right on economic issues. They trust bigger government. We trust you. Liberals want to raise the minimum wage because they don't think you have the right to form your own contract with your employer. They passed social security/Medicare/Obamacare because they think that the government is better at spending your money than you are. Now, 1/3 to 1/2 of people's paychecks are going to Uncle Sam to pay for those who don't earn a paycheck. The left's core principles are rooted in the fact that they do not believe that people have a right to pursue their own happiness and follow their own hopes and dreams.

The right recognizes that there are natural differences in ability and effort and that to truly promote human happiness and dignity, we should give all the right to pursue their own course. We believe in free will, a free market, and a free people. So the next time you hear a leftist babbling about income inequality, remember that what those leftists really want to do is to take away your freedom.

You have a poor understanding of the left. Most liberals do believe in the free market. We just think government has its place in it. As successful capitalism is as an economic system, its fatal flaw that if left unchecked, the wealthy dictate the quality of life for everyone.

The middle class is shrinking while only the wealthy become more and more powerful despite the booming productivity that occurs in the lower classes.

I'm all for a wealthy class, but I am also all for a thriving middle class .

The 85 richest people in the world have as much wealth as half the planet. Obviously that is a problem.

True.

Liberals correctly understand that the government and people are one in the same, where government acts at the behest of the people; and when the people err and government acts in a manner offensive to the Constitution, those adversely effected are at liberty to seek relief in the Federal courts.

Liberals correctly understand that the Constitution affords Congress powers both enumerated and implied, where the Commerce Clause authorizes government to enact regulatory measures concerning workplace safety, the safety of goods and services sold, and wage and hiring practices.

Regulatory policies are both appropriate and Constitutional, where conservative efforts to end such policies are unwarranted and reckless – it is unrealistic and naïve for reactionary conservatives to seek to return the Nation to the pre-Lochner Era of an 18th Century economic paradigm in the 21st Century.

Actually, the Commerce Clause regulates trade, not production. This original interpretation was changed after the Progressive Era. Implied powers were not even originally intended. If they were, the Federalists would not have felt a need to advocate for them.

And the Lochner Era was in the twentieth century (Lochner v. New York - 1905). Why is it unrealistic and naïve not to want to restrict people from working as much as they want to? The federal government is not allowed to interfere in private contracts (Article I, section 10).

You're advocating for the Constitution as post Progressive-Era judges interpreted it. What is wrong with the way the Philadelphia delegates interpreted it?

 

[KNB]

Has anyone noticed that the states that are bitching about "states rights" in regards to gay marriage were the same states bitching about "states rights" in regards to slavery?

You mean like California?

Yeah, we have Republicans in California, too. I should have clarified that it is Republicans who are bitching about "states rights" in regards to gay marriage just like it was Republicans, then called Democrats, who were bitching about "states rights" in regards to slavery. Either way, I'm talking about bigoted Confederate simpletons who think that two men getting married somewhere has any bearing on their lives.

And here are some more of those "long lines" that don't exist:

 

[Londoner]

The OP is buying into his party's propaganda. Reagan added over 200K more workers to government than either Carter or Clinton. The Right emphatically does not trust average citizens to run their country. They defended Citizens United which makes it easier for large corporations and wealthy individuals to buy and thereby wield the centralizing power of government. We know the Left trusts government, but why does the Right always give it more power. Bush used scaremongering to create the largest domestic spying apparatus of any of the advanced western democracies (Patriot Act, Homeland Security). Again, we know the Left trusts big brother, but why the does the right always seem to trust it more? Why did the Right trust Bush when he said Washington had the competence rebuild an entire Arab nation in our Democratic image? Don't the Republicans understand the law of unintended consequences? We'd all love to feel totally safe on airplanes and in skyscrapers, but the answer isn't to give government more power. This only increases the chance that some bureaucrat will, some day, abuse his surveillance powers. This is exactly what the Soviets did. They inflated national security threats in order to give government more power to snoop on and intervene in the lives of their citizens. All the while they justified it by saying "Hi, I'm from the government and I'm here to protect you." It was a total scam designed to grow government power, which was ultimately used by bureaucrats to protect the state from its citizens.

 

[Londoner]

Who Really believes in growing government?

Non Military Government Employees by President

Ronald Reagan
- Started: 2,875,000
- Ended: 3,113,000

Reagan EXPANDED the Federal Workforce by 238,000

Bill Clinton
- Started: 3,083,000
- Ended: 2,703,000

Clinton REDUCED the Federal Workforce by 380,000

George W Bush
- Started: 2,703,000
- Ended: 2,756,000

Bush EXPANDED the Federal Workforce by 53,000

Obama's numbers cannot be tallied yet because he is still in office, but here are some interesting facts.

By the end of 2010, the United States had less employees than we did at the end of Reagan even though the population has grown from 226,545,805 to approximately 330,000,000 in 2010.

Government workforce: Reagan V. Obama
1988 — 3,113,000 

2010— 2,840,000

In his 3rd year Reagan added 1.2 million government employees. By contrast Obama laid off 250,000 government employees during his 3rd year.

CONCLUSION: When Republicans are in office they grow government more than the Democrats.

George Bush created the largest, most secretive, most expensive government agency in history - and we didn't hear a ******* peep from Republican lemming voters. Read this article about Big Government Conservatism. Read Me, click here

 

[ScienceRocks]

Science has
1. Doubled life span
2. wiped out most of the deadly viruses and diseases
3. Gave us light and electricy...Warmth for us not to freeze.
4. The computer you're typing on.
5. The car you're driving down the street.
6. A understanding of our universe

Yeah let's defund science and let people keep dying of cancer. Maybe you do stand for freedom in some areas, but defunding science is just stupid.

 

[norwegen]

CONCLUSION: When Republicans are in office they grow government more than the Democrats.

And, wouldn't you know it, Democrats favor bigger government, too.

So, why don't they vote for Republicans? Too much weed?

 

[ScienceRocks]

Funny part of it is satellites warn us of hurricanes. Most conservatives live within hurricane zones and without those satellites = 1950's warning levels!

Computer models wouldn't have nearly the data and we'd go back to the early 1990's.

Oh did I say you people are mostly within tornadoes alley. Too ******* bad as warning would be sliced big time without the noaa, nws and the radar they maintain.

Small government people just don't think things through.

 

[hazlnut]

Question: If the right believes in "freedom" why do you have to take a test and sign a pledge to get in the club?

Have you heard of the Reichswehreid -- it started off very secular, then was revised by Hitler to include religious references.

I swear by God this holy oath, that I want to offer unconditional obedience to the Führer of the German Reich and people, Adolf Hitler, the commander-in-chief of the Wehrmacht, and be prepared as a brave soldier to risk my life for this oath at any time.


King George also wanted us to sign pledge.

Most Oaths of Office are about upholding the law and the constitution. The Conservatives go a step further and sign a pledge with no limits or exceptions essentially searing to IGNORE one of their constitutional powers -- "To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence[note 1] and general Welfare of the United States".

So much for freedom to change your mind based on new information. They give that up at the box office.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Lastly, you people expect the government to be there? Well, without fema and your state sending in the national guard many more people would die in hurricanes.

Many more people would die in hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, and earth quakes without the government digging you out of that hole!

 

[bripat9643]

Funny part of it is satellites warn us of hurricanes. Most conservatives live within hurricane zones and without those satellites = 1950's warning levels!

Computer models wouldn't have nearly the data and we'd go back to the early 1990's.

Oh did I say you people are mostly within tornadoes alley. Too ******* bad as warning would be sliced big time without the noaa, nws and the radar they maintain.

Small government people just don't think things through.

Your belief that private firms wouldn't provide weather information if government wasn't providing it for free is charming.