The left believes in government. The right believes in freedom.

[Truthmatters]

Wrong. That's not a legitimate government function. Furthermore, government is almost always the cause of hunger and disease.

The Constitution says otherwise:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Unless you would like to elaborate what the Founding Fathers meant when they said our policies should center around providing for the common defense and welfare of the nation?

What they meant by "promote the general welfare" was defined by the enumerated powers the Constitution grants to the federal government, and not one thing more.

I thought you preferred kings asshole?

 

[bripat9643]

The Constitution says otherwise:



Unless you would like to elaborate what the Founding Fathers meant when they said our policies should center around providing for the common defense and welfare of the nation?

What they meant by "promote the general welfare" was defined by the enumerated powers the Constitution grants to the federal government, and not one thing more.

Simpleton's understanding. This shit is complex. You must view it as such.

Demagogues always try to make simple truths sound more complex than they are.

What's the point of having enumerated powers if the government is free to do whatever I likes?

 

[Truthmatters]

remember when you said the times of kings and queens were better bri bri

 

[LoneLaugher]

Here's the simple difference between the left and the right on economic issues. They trust bigger government. We trust you. Liberals want to raise the minimum wage because they don't think you have the right to form your own contract with your employer. They passed social security/Medicare/Obamacare because they think that the government is better at spending your money than you are. Now, 1/3 to 1/2 of people's paychecks are going to Uncle Sam to pay for those who don't earn a paycheck. The left's core principles are rooted in the fact that they do not believe that people have a right to pursue their own happiness and follow their own hopes and dreams.

The right recognizes that there are natural differences in ability and effort and that to truly promote human happiness and dignity, we should give all the right to pursue their own course. We believe in free will, a free market, and a free people. So the next time you hear a leftist babbling about income inequality, remember that what those leftists really want to do is to take away your freedom.

dear ******* idiot,

the founders also believed in government.

They created one

Take it easy, dumbass. The OP is a HS student.

 

[Redfish]

The right recognizes that there are natural differences in ability and effort and that to truly promote human happiness and dignity, we should give all the right to pursue their own course. We believe in free will, a free market, and a free people. So the next time you hear a leftist babbling about income inequality, remember that what those leftists really want to do is to take away your freedom.

But not free vaginas and uteruses. Those you want highly regulated.

Come to think of it, you want to regulate penises and anuses too.

The right seems obsessed with regulating the most private intimate parts.

They really don't believe in privacy or freedom at all.

why do you gays always move the discussion to sexual activity? Is it because you know that your sexual drives are not normal and you want to bring everyone else into your perverted world?

 

[bripat9643]

Here's the simple difference between the left and the right on economic issues. They trust bigger government. We trust you. Liberals want to raise the minimum wage because they don't think you have the right to form your own contract with your employer. They passed social security/Medicare/Obamacare because they think that the government is better at spending your money than you are. Now, 1/3 to 1/2 of people's paychecks are going to Uncle Sam to pay for those who don't earn a paycheck. The left's core principles are rooted in the fact that they do not believe that people have a right to pursue their own happiness and follow their own hopes and dreams.

The right recognizes that there are natural differences in ability and effort and that to truly promote human happiness and dignity, we should give all the right to pursue their own course. We believe in free will, a free market, and a free people. So the next time you hear a leftist babbling about income inequality, remember that what those leftists really want to do is to take away your freedom.

dear ******* idiot,

the founders also believed in government.

They created one

Great way to talk to someone who is still in high school. I'll bet you're a great parent.

The Founders believed we needed "A government." They didn't believe IN government. At best, they believed government was a necessary evil.

 

[norwegen]

Here's the simple difference between the left and the right on economic issues. They trust bigger government. We trust you. Liberals want to raise the minimum wage because they don't think you have the right to form your own contract with your employer. They passed social security/Medicare/Obamacare because they think that the government is better at spending your money than you are. Now, 1/3 to 1/2 of people's paychecks are going to Uncle Sam to pay for those who don't earn a paycheck. The left's core principles are rooted in the fact that they do not believe that people have a right to pursue their own happiness and follow their own hopes and dreams.

The right recognizes that there are natural differences in ability and effort and that to truly promote human happiness and dignity, we should give all the right to pursue their own course. We believe in free will, a free market, and a free people. So the next time you hear a leftist babbling about income inequality, remember that what those leftists really want to do is to take away your freedom.

dear ******* idiot,

the founders also believed in government.

They created one

Take it easy, dumbass. The OP is a HS student.

Just because he's smarter than she is, doesn't mean she should be silenced.

 

[Redfish]

The right sure does believe in government controlling when someone can vote

yes, you have to vote at your prescinct where you are registered, and you have to prove who you are before voting. How awful

 

[bripat9643]

The Constitution says otherwise:



Unless you would like to elaborate what the Founding Fathers meant when they said our policies should center around providing for the common defense and welfare of the nation?

What they meant by "promote the general welfare" was defined by the enumerated powers the Constitution grants to the federal government, and not one thing more.

I thought you preferred kings asshole?

My, my, my . . . . your foul language has gotten so much worse since your banishment.

I would take a monarchy over allowing imbecile rabble like you to rule my life any day of the week.

 

[Rozman]

The left believes government is the answer.
The left believes the bigger the government the more answers they can come up with.
The left believes money earned by the people is the governments money and it drives them crazy that we get to keep so much too much of it...

Thanks to ObamaCare we now have less money...and still the left is not happy...they want more.

 

[bripat9643]

remember when you said the times of kings and queens were better bri bri

Yes I do.

Your point?

 

[LoneLaugher]

dear ******* idiot,

the founders also believed in government.

They created one

Take it easy, dumbass. The OP is a HS student.

Just because he's smarter than she is, doesn't mean she should be silenced.

Who said anything about silencing anyone?

He's probably smarter than you as well. That does not mean that his OP is accurate. He's young......what is your excuse?

 

[zeke]

Not all public schools are created equal though. I go to public school, but our school has a 97% graduation rate and the top students are consistently national merit scholars and become doctors, engineers, etc. Meanwhile, in nearby Gary and Chicago, the dropout rate is sky-high and kids graduate without learning how to read. Guess which way my community(Munster) votes and how Gary/Chicago do?

Of course, most public schools learn more toward Gary/Chicago than Munster, but it is worth pointing out.

Misinformation is the #1 enabler of left-wing beliefs.

You are still in high school? Must be. That's what you said. LMAO.

Get a job, raise a family, survive and prosper. Until then, well I'll be nice. You might only be 16. LMAO.

Anybody can be a parrot young man. Doesn't mean you are smart about anything. Just means you are a parrot. Talking about shit that you just don't know.

He shows a lot more sense than you do, Zeke.

How old are you?

Briarpatty, lets face it, as long as someone, anyone, agrees with the fucked up thinking that you have, you would consider them MENSA candidates. Doesn't mean anything other than that they agree with your fucked up thinking.

Hey at least I was nice to the high school kid. That's an improvement for me.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The left believes in government. The right believes in freedom.

Well, the right ‘believes’ in freedom only when it comports with their errant dogma.

For example, the right doesn’t believe in freedom for same-sex couples, or gay Americans, or transgender persons. The right doesn’t believe in freedom for low-income minority voters, or freedom for those who receive public assistance, or those who are immigrants.

In fact, for nearly 60 years, liberals have fought for the freedom of millions of Americans, where it was conservatives who sought to deny those Americans their freedom. Liberals fought to end segregation, discrimination, and in support of voting rights. Liberals fought for the privacy rights of Americans, their right to counsel, their right to due process of the law, their right to equal access of the law, and their right to marry – all opposed by conservatives every step of the way.

So the OP will understand that most will correctly perceive his premise as nonsense, where the overwhelming evidence clearly demonstrates that liberals have been the true champions of freedom.

 

[Billy000]

Here's the simple difference between the left and the right on economic issues. They trust bigger government. We trust you. Liberals want to raise the minimum wage because they don't think you have the right to form your own contract with your employer. They passed social security/Medicare/Obamacare because they think that the government is better at spending your money than you are. Now, 1/3 to 1/2 of people's paychecks are going to Uncle Sam to pay for those who don't earn a paycheck. The left's core principles are rooted in the fact that they do not believe that people have a right to pursue their own happiness and follow their own hopes and dreams.

The right recognizes that there are natural differences in ability and effort and that to truly promote human happiness and dignity, we should give all the right to pursue their own course. We believe in free will, a free market, and a free people. So the next time you hear a leftist babbling about income inequality, remember that what those leftists really want to do is to take away your freedom.

You have a poor understanding of the left. Most liberals do believe in the free market. We just think government has its place in it. As successful capitalism is as an economic system, its fatal flaw that if left unchecked, the wealthy dictate the quality of life for everyone.

The middle class is shrinking while only the wealthy become more and more powerful despite the booming productivity that occurs in the lower classes.

I'm all for a wealthy class, but I am also all for a thriving middle class .

The 85 richest people in the world have as much wealth as half the planet. Obviously that is a problem.

 

[Mojo2]

Folks, we must remember the Federal Government came about as a way for the individual states to have an umbrella agency to do for ALL of the states and their citizens what the individual states couldn't do well or at all by themselves.

Like establishing a currency. National defense and things like that.

The Federal Government is supposed to be OUR SERVANTS.

NOT OUR MASTERS!

Obama wants to be the BOSS of YOU!

And you Obama supporters are like the Judas Goats leading the unthinking sheeple to captivity at his behest.

The Obama supporters on this board are traitors.

 

[Mojo2]

The left believes in government. The right believes in freedom.

Well, the right ‘believes’ in freedom only when it comports with their errant dogma.

For example, the right doesn’t believe in freedom for same-sex couples, or gay Americans, or transgender persons. The right doesn’t believe in freedom for low-income minority voters, or freedom for those who receive public assistance, or those who are immigrants.

In fact, for nearly 60 years, liberals have fought for the freedom of millions of Americans, where it was conservatives who sought to deny those Americans their freedom. Liberals fought to end segregation, discrimination, and in support of voting rights. Liberals fought for the privacy rights of Americans, their right to counsel, their right to due process of the law, their right to equal access of the law, and their right to marry – all opposed by conservatives every step of the way.

So the OP will understand that most will correctly perceive his premise as nonsense, where the overwhelming evidence clearly demonstrates that liberals have been the true champions of freedom.

While the Titanic was sinking you'd have been the kind of guy who'd be rearranging the deck chairs.

If you're looking for a phrase that captures a pointless effort in the face of an impending disaster, it might be "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-04-07/titanic-rearrange-deck-chairs/54084648/1

The Urban Dictionary describes this as "a situation when someone tries to futily reform the way things are done in a failing system."

Which makes you THE nonsensical fool of them all.

Does it not?

 

[Hoosier4Liberty]

The left believes in government. The right believes in freedom.

Well, the right ‘believes’ in freedom only when it comports with their errant dogma.

For example, the right doesn’t believe in freedom for same-sex couples, or gay Americans, or transgender persons. The right doesn’t believe in freedom for low-income minority voters, or freedom for those who receive public assistance, or those who are immigrants.

In fact, for nearly 60 years, liberals have fought for the freedom of millions of Americans, where it was conservatives who sought to deny those Americans their freedom. Liberals fought to end segregation, discrimination, and in support of voting rights. Liberals fought for the privacy rights of Americans, their right to counsel, their right to due process of the law, their right to equal access of the law, and their right to marry – all opposed by conservatives every step of the way.

So the OP will understand that most will correctly perceive his premise as nonsense, where the overwhelming evidence clearly demonstrates that liberals have been the true champions of freedom.

You do have some fair points that social conservatism can contradict liberty, but you're greatly exaggerating them. The issue with gays is about whether or not the state should grant marriage licenses to them. Gays can get married at many different churches all across the country. Liberals believe the federal government should mandate all 50 states issue gay marriage licenses. Conservatives want to leave it up to the states. Maybe you're right that this is infringing a "right', but it's nothing compared to the economic freedoms that the left infringes on America. You're using the progressive's definition of a "right", which implies that rights come from government (ie public assistance, food stamps, etc.) I don't believe that things like welfare are rights. I believe in the natural rights of life, liberty, and property, which come from God and are secured by government. The classical liberals had it right on this, until the progressive left redefined what it meant to be "liberal" and altered the definition of a 'right'.

With regards to Civil Rights, I'd like to point out that the GOP of the time(which was still more conservative than the Democratic Party on economic issues at the time; we could argue about social issues, but keep in mind that I'm a libertarian) was more conservative than the Democrats at the time.
John Kennedy and Civil Rights

In fact, JFK opposed the 1957 Civil Rights Act until its enforcement provisions were gutted while the "racist" Barry Goldwater, along with nearly every Republican, supported it.

 

[rdean]

Right wingers want to right to enjoy the freedom to suppress women, gays, minorities, science, voting. I can't think of anything they don't want to suppress outside of what they want. Can anyone else think of something?

After we suppress everyone and everything, we will have only each other to suppress. It's a bleak future, to be sure, but when it's all said and done, only one man will rule the world. And he will be a right winger. So it might be worth it.

We don't oppress anyone. It's liberals who insult women by saying they can't control their birth control, insult minorities by saying they're not good enough to get into college without affirmative action, insult gays by making them feel like they can't control their feelings, insult science by manipulating data on global warming to suit their agenda, and insult voters by promoting rampant ACORN voter fraud.

There is a difference between propaganda and facts. For instance the long lines of people waiting to vote was evidence of "voter suppression". See how easy that was?

 

[KNB]

Has anyone noticed that the states that are bitching about "states rights" in regards to gay marriage were the same states bitching about "states rights" in regards to slavery?