The Bible Tells Us When Jesus Returns - Between Tisha B'Av and Day of Atonement 2029

[Parture]

Dear sealybobo RE: your cited quote about sticking to what is natural and "rejecting" anything spiritual beyond that

Jesus even said there would be a great many things we accomplish. But He died for your sins, and since you don't want forgiveness you will go to Hell. The proof being you can't find a naturalistic explanation to account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles in various group settings.

And Parture about not being able to prove things naturalistically

I disagree with both of you.
We CAN demonstrate spiritual processes in a natural way using medical and scientific study.

Scott Peck wrote about his observations of demonic exorcism and cure of two schizophrenic patients.
This changed his mind about science and that it could be used to show a consistent pattern of
stages, just like other diseases treatments and cures, both the diagnosis and the testing if the person is healed.

I suggest you look into his writings and suggestions on this field of therapy as scientifically quantifiable and measurable/predictable
so you do not argue back and forth.

So Sealybobo you can have naturalistic focus that INCLUDES and does not false reject spiritual processes.
Like love is a spiritual energy, life is spiritual and these are natural too. they are not mutually exclusive.

And Parture yes we can use science to show the natural patterns and process
of healing by casting out demons using the Christian prayer. We can even develop
the technology to measure the energy, so we can show it is true the negative energies
of demons and occult that is on the side of hell is destructive like radioactive energy and dangerous,
while the positive energy in healing prayers is life giving and helps the mind/body to heal naturally.

God is not against nature because God created the laws of the universe.

Or if you are like sealybobo and other nontheists,
God is nature or is the creation and the body of truth or laws
with no begining or no end but always self-existent and eternal.

either way God's laws include natural laws
and natural laws are not in conflict with spiritual laws either.

The cosmos/universe itself seems to be a living thing. Our planet and everything on it is made from star stuff. If you are going to worship something, make it the stars. Everything else is speculation. What made the stars? Well we even know that. What made that big bang happen? We have no idea. Must be god? No it does not have to be a god. And until you know just admit you don't know. Want to talk about right and wrong? Sure. Mention Jesus or Allah and the conversation is over. Then you've just gone off on an unnecessary tangent.

Have you seen the Cosmos? They show you that when they look at the human body on a molecular level or when they see a mini world inside one drop of water, it looks like a mini universe within our universe. We very well may be inside somethings belly and that living thing lives in a world that is only inside another world. Does a god care about the Tardigrades inside a drop of water? There are more of them on this earth than us. Does god care about them? Oh yea, god put the animals on earth for us. I forgot.

This God talk all boils down to good and bad. Why do you insist that god is necessary? Must be a god? I think you understand the human condition enough to understand how, when and why we created the idea, right? The Ancient Greeks long before the old testament thought that without the fear of Zeus, society would go to shit. That basically man needs a big brother in the sky watching over them, ruling them. Without a god, men would be bad. Do you believe that? I think we haven't even begun to use our brains. I think in 1000 years men then will look back at how primitive we were just like we do to men 1000 years before us. They were uncivilized and ignorant. Yet you want me to believe men 2000 or 5000 years ago? Yea right!

Just look at the stories of the Jews/Christians. Adam and Eve disappointed God. The people of Noah's day offended God. The people of Soddom & Gamora offended god. The people of Jesus' day killed God. And god is coming back one day because society is falling apart. The end times are near. Religion says men are instinctively bad. I disagree. We are animals that can be taught right and wrong.

The cosmos doesn't have consciousness.

 

[Parture]

I think you are even dumber if you were not brainwashed from birth and you actually fell for the Christian bullshit as an adult. Usually Christianity gets guys like you in your 20's but who knows when or why people "find the lord". I can just imagine the hell you were going through at age 33 when you bought into that religion. Were you a scum bag? Did you hit rock bottom? Or did you just take that long to start thinking about it and Christianity sounded good to you. That's how a lot of blacks in America get sucked into Islam.

Brainwashed from birth? We were all brainwashed from birth for we were all born into sin. God often uses trials and tribulations to lead people to Him; other times not. There is no set way of being saved to receive revelation from God. I had everything going for me, was rich, but I just realized watching the struggles of someone else much like you that you were never satisfied in life, then I realized all things sum up in Christ. And I was saved. That was back in Jan. 2001. I have never been the same since and could never go back to being like you. To this day I have not been able to disprove the Minimal Facts Approach, nor can you; the difference is I give into reality, you remain delusionally hostile, independent and disobedient to your Creator just like the first God-conscious man did.

One way you can check if you are searching out God with all your heart and soul is to try to find a better proof than what God has provided in the NT. And you can't. That's how you know.

No, you realized that YOU were never satisfied. I am satisfied. Well, not completely, but who is? Like you think it would be good for everyone to find Jesus, I think it would be good if humans dropped the god stuff. I think religion is bad for humans. The Greeks thought people would do bad things if they didn't fear Zeus. No different than what you Christians think today. I think you are wrong. In fact look at what believe in god is doing for the Muslims. Look at the arms race we have had with Russia the last 70 years. That's the best our christian nation can do? There must be better. I know, science, math and logic/education. A more intelligent species might do the trick.

We could power our planet through photosyntasys. Why are we destroying our planet instead? I think the corporations are in bed with the churches. I think they use religion to keep us ignorant. We separated church and state but are they still in collusion with each other?

Jesus even said there would be a great many things we accomplish. But He died for your sins, and since you don't want forgiveness you will go to Hell. The proof being you can't find a naturalistic explanation to account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles in various group settings.

I don't buy any of it. I was watching religious tv this morning and this lady was telling the children how Jesus fed 5000 with 5 loaves of bread and 3 fish. It is so obvious to me that these stories are made up. But none of those kids even questioned how this was possible. You loose me when you tell me the hero in your story was super natural. I can't believe something that isn't believable. Why would a god make this the test for getting into heaven? I think this is more of a test on if you are dumb enough to be a member of the Christian cult. Will you swallow impossible stories about when the lord visited? If yes then you can be a member. Sorry I can't fake believing you or your priest or that lady on tv. It's not evil it's common sense.

You don't think there is a naturalistic explaination for the eye witnesses? That's easy. What do you say to the eye witnesses of Mohammad?

Just know that Christians are comforted in our faith because you are unable to find a naturalistic explanation to account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles in various group settings.

 

[Parture]

Ted,

I am so glad you believe in the Trinity; OSAS Arminian; premillennialism; that Calvinists are not saved .

just out of curiosity, why is it we Calvinists can't be saved?........I would certainly like to be saved......

Calvinists cant be saved from hell if they cant forgive and correct attacks from others. If they respond as poorly as Parture has, their unforgiveness and inability to invoke Christ authority as fellow believers will destroy relations and send them through hell.

Parture preaches hell and heaven beyond this lifetime, in God's hands outside our direct control and seeks to codictate who does or does not go to heaven or hell. But is strangely clueless that what we do and agree upon on earth has connection with hellish suffering on earth or the kingdom of God on earth.

The Bible clearly states that when two or three agree in Christ on anything touching the earth it is done by our Father in heaven, whatever we bind or loose on earth is done so in heaven. Yet Parture is so busy trying to send and bind people in hell he misses the point of building the Kingdom of God on earth as it is in heaven.

Just obsessed with the hell business.
Wants as many ppl to go there and even willing to insert extra conditions and tests on Christian faith and salvation to make sure people make mistakes to be hung and excluded over. He is like a gatekeeper at the doors of hell looking to entrap people by creating stumbling blocks to provoke people to anger or unforgiveness, and then use that to argue they arent Christian.

So the way out if this trap is to maintain forgiveness at all times. It even looks as if some gentiles are more forgiving than he is. If we all forgive his cult like traps we pass the test of faith.

If we can rise above, come back and embrace our fearful brother, we can even turn the tables and use this interaction to win him back for Christ. But we must be purely forgiving and willing to unite on points of agreement to rebuild his faith on solid foundation. He has good points in his theology but is playing gatekeeper politics similar to cults who test you for loyalty first before they let you in.

Your free choice to go to Hell by forever rejecting the particularism of Jesus and instead worship a false Christ of universalism has nobody to blame but you. Presuming you never repent in this life, you will spend eternity in Perdition.

 

[Parture]

Ted,

I am so glad you believe in the Trinity; OSAS Arminian; premillennialism; that Calvinists are not saved .

just out of curiosity, why is it we Calvinists can't be saved?........I would certainly like to be saved......

I don't think you want to be saved, because you would have been saved already. You can be saved if you were willing to come to the cross as a helpless sinner to receive the Lord Jesus as Savior to be regenerated. Alas, you are unwilling; no excuse is worth it.

 

[Parture]

Universalism is False - Jesus was not a universalist so Emily worships a false Christ

Because Emily has not accepted Christ, if she continues to reject Him through her universalism heresy and then dies, she will go to Hell and be there forever. There are no universalists in Heaven for universalism is a heresy.

Emily will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever" (Rev. 12.10).

Emily will go away to everlasting punishment.

"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal" (Matt. 25.46).

Emily will have the wrath of God on her to remain.

"The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him" (John 3.36).

Emily when she goes to Hell will be forever separated from God.

"They will be punished with eternal destruction, forever separated from the Lord and from his glorious power" (2 Thess. 1.9).

OK Parture I will try ONE more time to correct this error
1. First of all I AGREE that the Bible does not LITERALLY say Universal Salvation.
So I agree to stick to just the scriptures as you cited that don't say this in there.
I DO agree and HAVE ALWAYS agreed with the BIBLE here
and did not mean to cause confusion as if I disagreed with the BIBLE here.
I do and have always agreed with all these scriptures:

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever" (Rev. 12.10).

"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal" (Matt. 25.46).

"The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him" (John 3.36).

2. if there is any such universal salvation, it must still be according to the above scriptures
and still make them true, while God manages to use the process in Christ Jesus to save all souls.
So any such salvation must still be consistent with the above scriptures.
YES I agree and have always agreed and never disagreed with these scriptures.

3. As for your accusing me of not believing just because YOU did not believe
I believed in the above scriptures.
a. my mispeaking was my responsibility and I apologize for causing confusion I did not mean
b. but for you to ACCUSE me in advance FALSELY because I NEVER SAID I denied
these things, that is YOUR fault for making a false assumption and accusation.

4. If you are Christian then we can forgive each other for this misunderstanding.
I need to clarify that i ONLY believe in Universal Salvation if it still meets and fulfills
the above scriptures.

I failed to make this clear to you because I did not know you would jump to such false conclusions
so quickly when what you accuse me of is against what I believe.

However, now that I have clarified, I hope you can forgive me for giving
you the totally WRONG impression.

I can forgive you for jumping the gun and flying off and accusing me of all kinds of ill repute,
And I in addition ask your help to explain this to the website administrators who
must have gotten the same wrong impression the minute they heard any mention of
"universalist" as denying the above scriptures which I already said I agreed with.

I have no problem saying that there cannot be universal salvation if it goes against
these scriptures in the Bible.

It can only be so if it is still follows this, and I do believe with God that is possible.
If you are saying this thing in the Bible makes it impossible I agree
just to stick with scripture and not to argue back and forth.

So I agree not to insert or assume Universal Salvation
and that is not what I meant anyway.

I mean only if it is consistent with God's truth and the Bible.
And I believe it is, but agree since that is not expressly stated to drop it
and just stick with Scripture.

I am fine with sticking strictly with Scripture and did not mean to make
you panic or start accusing me of things I am not teaching and do not mean or believe.

P.S. I do believe the Trinity is Universal. So if you agree that God/Christ/HolySpirit
applies to all humanity then we can focus on that instead of arguing. Thanks.

You are a universalist and admit the Bible is against universalism so you admit you are going to Hell.

 

[Parture]

Universalism is False - Jesus was not a universalist so Emily worships a false Christ

Because Emily has not accepted Christ, if she continues to reject Him through her universalism heresy and then dies, she will go to Hell and be there forever. There are no universalists in Heaven for universalism is a heresy.

Emily will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever" (Rev. 12.10).

Emily will go away to everlasting punishment.

"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal" (Matt. 25.46).

Emily will have the wrath of God on her to remain.

"The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him" (John 3.36).

Emily when she goes to Hell will be forever separated from God.

"They will be punished with eternal destruction, forever separated from the Lord and from his glorious power" (2 Thess. 1.9).

OK Parture I will try ONE more time to correct this error
1. First of all I AGREE that the Bible does not LITERALLY say Universal Salvation.
So I agree to stick to just the scriptures as you cited that don't say this in there.
I DO agree and HAVE ALWAYS agreed with the BIBLE here
and did not mean to cause confusion as if I disagreed with the BIBLE here.
I do and have always agreed with all these scriptures:

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever" (Rev. 12.10).

"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal" (Matt. 25.46).

"The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him" (John 3.36).

2. if there is any such universal salvation, it must still be according to the above scriptures
and still make them true, while God manages to use the process in Christ Jesus to save all souls.
So any such salvation must still be consistent with the above scriptures.
YES I agree and have always agreed and never disagreed with these scriptures.

3. As for your accusing me of not believing just because YOU did not believe
I believed in the above scriptures.
a. my mispeaking was my responsibility and I apologize for causing confusion I did not mean
b. but for you to ACCUSE me in advance FALSELY because I NEVER SAID I denied
these things, that is YOUR fault for making a false assumption and accusation.

4. If you are Christian then we can forgive each other for this misunderstanding.
I need to clarify that i ONLY believe in Universal Salvation if it still meets and fulfills
the above scriptures.

I failed to make this clear to you because I did not know you would jump to such false conclusions
so quickly when what you accuse me of is against what I believe.

However, now that I have clarified, I hope you can forgive me for giving
you the totally WRONG impression.

I can forgive you for jumping the gun and flying off and accusing me of all kinds of ill repute,
And I in addition ask your help to explain this to the website administrators who
must have gotten the same wrong impression the minute they heard any mention of
"universalist" as denying the above scriptures which I already said I agreed with.

I have no problem saying that there cannot be universal salvation if it goes against
these scriptures in the Bible.

It can only be so if it is still follows this, and I do believe with God that is possible.
If you are saying this thing in the Bible makes it impossible I agree
just to stick with scripture and not to argue back and forth.

So I agree not to insert or assume Universal Salvation
and that is not what I meant anyway.

I mean only if it is consistent with God's truth and the Bible.
And I believe it is, but agree since that is not expressly stated to drop it
and just stick with Scripture.

I am fine with sticking strictly with Scripture and did not mean to make
you panic or start accusing me of things I am not teaching and do not mean or believe.

P.S. I do believe the Trinity is Universal. So if you agree that God/Christ/HolySpirit
applies to all humanity then we can focus on that instead of arguing. Thanks.

You do not believe in the Triune God because the Triune God is not a universalist.

 

[Parture]

Emily has said she is not sure now about these things. If you are not sure about the atonement then you are not a Christian, and you certainly don't have a gift for the Church since you are not a member of the body of Christ. Therefore, she is being dishonest calling herself a Christian. For this reason she is not allowed to be a member of biblocality.

About emilynghiem
Atonement and Co-Crucifixion:
Not sure
Trinity:
Not sure
Distinction of God's 3 Persons:
Not sure
Premillennial and Rewards:
Not sure
God Foreknows Our Free-Choice:
Not sure
Physical New City and New Earth:
Not sure
Once-Saved-Always-Saved:
Not sure
Overcomers and Non-Overcomers in Christ:
Not sure
Restoration of Creation, and Nature Proves God:
Not sure
God's Infinite Foreknowledge:
Not sure
Dividing Spirit, Soul and Body:
Not sure
Hell is the Place of Eternal Separation from God:
Not sure
Baptism With or Without Water:
Not sure
Word of God in 66 Books:
Not sure
Biblical Tongues are Real Languages Only:
Not sure
Laying On of Hands:
Not sure
Women Apostles but Mary Sinned:
Not sure
Regional Apostles Appoint Local Elders:
Not sure
Meeting Place Finder for the Body of Christ:
Not sure
Work or Gift for the Church:
Interpreting languages

 

[Parture]

Universalists are not Christians. It really is no more complicated than that.

 

[teddyearp]

Not only that but I got banned from that website Parture recommended.

That does not surprise me in the slightest, sorry you wasted your time there.

God bless.

 

[Parture]

Not only that but I got banned from that website Parture recommended.

That does not surprise me in the slightest, sorry you wasted your time there.

God bless.

Yet she is not banned.

 

[Parture]

Not only that but I got banned from that website Parture recommended.

That does not surprise me in the slightest, sorry you wasted your time there.

God bless.

So have you figured out why you reject the Apostles and Elders setting up the Church for today?

I know that you are not a Christian because whenever you post you only have hostility.

 

[Parture]

Not only that but I got banned from that website Parture recommended.

That does not surprise me in the slightest, sorry you wasted your time there.

God bless.

Yet she is not banned.

I am not surprised Emily would lie to you just as I am not surprised that you blindly accept lies because hostility is your condition not that of a Christian.

 

[emilynghiem]

You are letting your petty self affect you. Six literal days is six days. That is the intention. So the 6 days sum up the period of restoration. A day to God is a year to us or a day to God is a 1000 years to us. Actually a day God is an eternity to us. It is a figurative expression. Six days are literally six days as a child would read humbly.

No, I agree with you exactly that one day to God does not mean
one literal earth day. That,s exactly what I mean that it is not literal, as you state very well here. Glad we agree!

Hi Parture
See above where you say it is literal then say it is a figurative expression.
Thus it is not literal in meaning though it is literally written that way.
That is why your question and complaint are confusing,
especially since we actually AGREE what it means and how it is stated.

I had no problem with that, but you made an issue of it that
when your reply looks just as confusing where it LOOKS like you are saying something is both
literal and figurative at the same time! Since I understood and have faith in what you meant, and not
look like you were trying to doubletalk, then why can't you see when this happens with me or someone else?

As I explained before you and I both
AGREE the Bible literally says 6 days.
and we both
AGREE that this FIGURATIVELY means how you interpret it.
I even compliment you on how well you explain this meaning.

I hope we can resolve this since we actually agree.

See above where I made a point to focus on where we agree, and forgive the miscommunication.
You on the other hand keep bringing this up, trying to fault me, and can't seem to forgive it.

Why not? We both agree.

If it is too upsetting to you if someone makes mistakes like this,
no wonder you are worried so many people are going to hell.
Online communication is usually worse in misunderstandings.
so you will not get very far if you can't even resolve an issue
that we AGREE on. how will you handle areas of disagreement?

We will all go to hell if we all have to speak and answer
"perfectly in one shot the first time"
or else be accused of things we don't mean and don't believe.

 

[Parture]

You are letting your petty self affect you. Six literal days is six days. That is the intention. So the 6 days sum up the period of restoration. A day to God is a year to us or a day to God is a 1000 years to us. Actually a day God is an eternity to us. It is a figurative expression. Six days are literally six days as a child would read humbly.

No, I agree with you exactly that one day to God does not mean
one literal earth day. That,s exactly what I mean that it is not literal, as you state very well here. Glad we agree!

Hi Parture
See above where you say it is literal then say it is a figurative expression.
Thus it is not literal in meaning though it is literally written that way.
That is why your question and complaint are confusing,
especially since we actually AGREE what it means and how it is stated.

I had no problem with that, but you made an issue of it that
when your reply looks just as confusing where it LOOKS like you are saying something is both
literal and figurative at the same time! Since I understood and have faith in what you meant, and not
look like you were trying to doubletalk, then why can't you see when this happens with me or someone else?

As I explained before you and I both
AGREE the Bible literally says 6 days.
and we both
AGREE that this FIGURATIVELY means how you interpret it.
I even compliment you on how well you explain this meaning.

I hope we can resolve this since we actually agree.

See above where I made a point to focus on where we agree, and forgive the miscommunication.
You on the other hand keep bringing this up, trying to fault me, and can't seem to forgive it.

Why not? We both agree.

If it is too upsetting to you if someone makes mistakes like this,
no wonder you are worried so many people are going to hell.
Online communication is usually worse in misunderstandings.
so you will not get very far if you can't even resolve an issue
that we AGREE on. how will you handle areas of disagreement?

We will all go to hell if we all have to speak and answer
"perfectly in one shot the first time"
or else be accused of things we don't mean and don't believe.

Six literal 24 hour days sum up the period of restoration. The 24 hour days are literally 24 hours each. What they sum up is the restoration that begins about 65 million years ago.

 

[Parture]

You are letting your petty self affect you. Six literal days is six days. That is the intention. So the 6 days sum up the period of restoration. A day to God is a year to us or a day to God is a 1000 years to us. Actually a day God is an eternity to us. It is a figurative expression. Six days are literally six days as a child would read humbly.

No, I agree with you exactly that one day to God does not mean
one literal earth day. That,s exactly what I mean that it is not literal, as you state very well here. Glad we agree!

Hi Parture
See above where you say it is literal then say it is a figurative expression.
Thus it is not literal in meaning though it is literally written that way.
That is why your question and complaint are confusing,
especially since we actually AGREE what it means and how it is stated.

I had no problem with that, but you made an issue of it that
when your reply looks just as confusing where it LOOKS like you are saying something is both
literal and figurative at the same time! Since I understood and have faith in what you meant, and not
look like you were trying to doubletalk, then why can't you see when this happens with me or someone else?

As I explained before you and I both
AGREE the Bible literally says 6 days.
and we both
AGREE that this FIGURATIVELY means how you interpret it.
I even compliment you on how well you explain this meaning.

I hope we can resolve this since we actually agree.

See above where I made a point to focus on where we agree, and forgive the miscommunication.
You on the other hand keep bringing this up, trying to fault me, and can't seem to forgive it.

Why not? We both agree.

If it is too upsetting to you if someone makes mistakes like this,
no wonder you are worried so many people are going to hell.
Online communication is usually worse in misunderstandings.
so you will not get very far if you can't even resolve an issue
that we AGREE on. how will you handle areas of disagreement?

We will all go to hell if we all have to speak and answer
"perfectly in one shot the first time"
or else be accused of things we don't mean and don't believe.

The reason you are not a Christian is because you are a universalist, but you know the Bible says there will be those who spend eternity in Hell, so you're basically saying you disagree with the Bible. And I say you disagree with the Bible because you are not a Christian. It says what it says which you disagree with.

 

[emilynghiem]

Universalism is False - Jesus was not a universalist so Emily worships a false Christ

Because Emily has not accepted Christ, if she continues to reject Him through her universalism heresy and then dies, she will go to Hell and be there forever. There are no universalists in Heaven for universalism is a heresy.

Emily will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever" (Rev. 12.10).

Emily will go away to everlasting punishment.

"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal" (Matt. 25.46).

Emily will have the wrath of God on her to remain.

"The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him" (John 3.36).

Emily when she goes to Hell will be forever separated from God.

"They will be punished with eternal destruction, forever separated from the Lord and from his glorious power" (2 Thess. 1.9).

OK Parture I will try ONE more time to correct this error
1. First of all I AGREE that the Bible does not LITERALLY say Universal Salvation.
So I agree to stick to just the scriptures as you cited that don't say this in there.
I DO agree and HAVE ALWAYS agreed with the BIBLE here
and did not mean to cause confusion as if I disagreed with the BIBLE here.
I do and have always agreed with all these scriptures:

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever" (Rev. 12.10).

"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal" (Matt. 25.46).

"The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him" (John 3.36).

2. if there is any such universal salvation, it must still be according to the above scriptures
and still make them true, while God manages to use the process in Christ Jesus to save all souls.
So any such salvation must still be consistent with the above scriptures.
YES I agree and have always agreed and never disagreed with these scriptures.

3. As for your accusing me of not believing just because YOU did not believe
I believed in the above scriptures.
a. my mispeaking was my responsibility and I apologize for causing confusion I did not mean
b. but for you to ACCUSE me in advance FALSELY because I NEVER SAID I denied
these things, that is YOUR fault for making a false assumption and accusation.

4. If you are Christian then we can forgive each other for this misunderstanding.
I need to clarify that i ONLY believe in Universal Salvation if it still meets and fulfills
the above scriptures.

I failed to make this clear to you because I did not know you would jump to such false conclusions
so quickly when what you accuse me of is against what I believe.

However, now that I have clarified, I hope you can forgive me for giving
you the totally WRONG impression.

I can forgive you for jumping the gun and flying off and accusing me of all kinds of ill repute,
And I in addition ask your help to explain this to the website administrators who
must have gotten the same wrong impression the minute they heard any mention of
"universalist" as denying the above scriptures which I already said I agreed with.

I have no problem saying that there cannot be universal salvation if it goes against
these scriptures in the Bible.

It can only be so if it is still follows this, and I do believe with God that is possible.
If you are saying this thing in the Bible makes it impossible I agree
just to stick with scripture and not to argue back and forth.

So I agree not to insert or assume Universal Salvation
and that is not what I meant anyway.

I mean only if it is consistent with God's truth and the Bible.
And I believe it is, but agree since that is not expressly stated to drop it
and just stick with Scripture.

I am fine with sticking strictly with Scripture and did not mean to make
you panic or start accusing me of things I am not teaching and do not mean or believe.

P.S. I do believe the Trinity is Universal. So if you agree that God/Christ/HolySpirit
applies to all humanity then we can focus on that instead of arguing. Thanks.

You are a universalist and admit the Bible is against universalism so you admit you are going to Hell.

No I said the Bible didn't say that literally in that context.
Just like the Bible doesn't literally say the natural laws in the Constitution.
But those are still true and universal for all people.

I believe the Trinity is Universal for all humanity
and found in every system of laws and beliefs as the Source of inspiration.

No, I will not renounce this concept
that man is made in the image of God.

Every person is body mind and spirit
and every attempt to express those relations,
every secular political religious or personal philosophy
reflects the same Trinity but in different words or languages/tongues.

If you misunderstand what I mean by Universal
that is your burden not mine.

Had you treated teddyear or me as true believers until proven otherwise,
then you could have the same and be treated with equal respect until proven otherwise.

But since you enforced your own standards of accusing us of being wrong
until we prove otherwise,
this same rule applies to you.

You are thus assumed to be wrong
until you prove that you meant something else and weren't wrong.

Normally I would walk with you as a fellow Believer
but since you declared me not one,
then I am not required to follow the law between believers.

God made it very clear to me I am to treat you as
you treat others since you will understand that way better.

If I am wrong, then I do apologize,
as i TRIED the other way and was declared by you
as going to hell for it. So if you are right about me, then I
should not treat you as an equal and as I would want to be treated
because that woudl make me Christian which you declared I was not.

Which way do you want it.
If you admit we are fellow Believers I can treat you as one.

I tried the other way and it didn't work so now I am trying this
to reach out to you with compassion and treat you
as you treat others if this is the only way you understand.

If that's what you require I need to treat you as you require.
Please let me know if this is better or you want a different way.

 

[PostmodernProph]

Ted,

I am so glad you believe in the Trinity; OSAS Arminian; premillennialism; that Calvinists are not saved .

just out of curiosity, why is it we Calvinists can't be saved?........I would certainly like to be saved......

Calvinists cant be saved from hell if they cant forgive and correct attacks from others.

so your Bible says that in order to be saved you need to believe in the saving grace of Jesus Christ and perform well in chat boards?......

 

[PostmodernProph]

Ted,

I am so glad you believe in the Trinity; OSAS Arminian; premillennialism; that Calvinists are not saved .

just out of curiosity, why is it we Calvinists can't be saved?........I would certainly like to be saved......

I don't think you want to be saved, because you would have been saved already.

therein lies my quandary.......I believe I have already been saved, but you have just told me I am not......

 

[teddyearp]

Ted,

I am so glad you believe in the Trinity; OSAS Arminian; premillennialism; that Calvinists are not saved; women can be Apostles; Mary was born into sin; baptism is without or with water; gap restoration; tongues are only known languages; spiritual vs. carnal Christians, the latter not receiving the reward of returning with Christ to reign on earth; we are spirit/soul/body not spirit (soul)/body; the word of God is 66 books, no more no less; no escape from Hell once people go there; but sadly you didn't accept the Apostles and Elders in agreement with these questions. That sounds like a contradiction that you agree with these questions (even agree with the Apostles working regionally who appoint Elders of a church locality) but you don't accept the Apostles actually organizing and working in the agreement with these questions. How do you resolve that contradiction?

The Bible says be "not doubletongued" or doubleminded (1 Tim. 3.8).

I'll tell you little boy. For one, all can be forgiven and all can be saved, do not put words into my mouth, boy.

The only contradiction is the one in your little playground of your childish mind. Though I agree with most of the tenets of your 'church' I will not give dominion over myself, nor my salvation to the 'apostles' and 'elders' of your little 'church'. My salvation is mine given to me by the blood of my Savior, Jesus Christ who died on the cross a sinless man as the Son of the Living God, to pay for all my sins past, present and future.

Why would I want to subject my salvation to the 'elders' and 'apostles' of a 'church' run by a child? Yes, you are a child.

Why you may say, do I consider you a small child? Because I, as a man, have asked you several times if you accept Jesus Christ as you personal savior. You as a small child have only played childish games with that and any other question I have asked you here in this thread. You refuse to answer directly like a man. No. You play games and deflect the question, twist the question, answer the question with another unrealistic question; suffice it to say, all you have done here is act like a ten year old or less.

What is worse, I fear, is that your refusal to answer that direct question; coupled with your desire to cast all of us to Hell gives me serious doubts about your salvation. Why do you refuse to confess Jesus Christ? I will not quote chapter and verse, but I think it tells volumes about you. I have looked at the posts on your "church's" forums site and all you do there is set yourself up as the One who sits upon the Judgement throne casting all others into Hell. May God have mercy on your soul.

I know this. I cannot wait to see you on the other side, because, you little child, have a whole lot to learn. And do not worry about your reply casting me into Hell. Do not even bother. You do not have that power, little boy.

 

[teddyearp]

Parture , if I come to you on a very cold day or night without a jacket, even though you consider me cast into hell and a sinner though you have an extra jacket and I ask you for your extra, will you refuse your extra jacket to me?

How can I give you a jacket if you are in Hell? Besides nobody is in Hell yet. Nor can anyone saved reach you in Hell. I don't even think in Hell you would need a jacket. Because you will be burning in the Lake of Fire.

The Bible says you would be forgotten, so I have no memory of your need for a jack, I have no memory of you.

Nice way to play a game, little boy. Nice. When one asks you for a coat and you refused, you did that to Jesus.