Zone1 Where in The Bible does it state that "Christians" will be "Raptured Up" before The Tribulation?

[Hafar1014]

Are you going to answer my questions or just keep running as you always do. You are a fake.

Quantrill

The title page is there. Book Author publisher everything. Thats how you define a book. Its obvious who the fake is and its not me.

 

[Quantrill]

The title page is there. Book Author publisher everything. Thats how you define a book. Its obvious who the fake is and its not me.

Title page means nothing. I asked you What Bible do you consider authoritative, meaning the Word of God.

I asked you, what books in the Old Testament do you consider the Word of God?

I asked you, where in Genesis, chapter and verse does it say 'Genesis is about free will, the moral teaching of Adam and the trial for man's freedom?

Simple questions for one who is genuine. Hard questions for a fake.

Quantrill

 

[JustAGuy1]

No where, because it doesn't.

Scripture also doesn't say, or promote, the idea that we'll go to heaven (or hell) immediately when we die.

""To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" is a promise from 2 Corinthians 5:8 (NKJV/KJV) that for believers, death is an immediate transition from earthly life to the presence of Jesus. It signifies comfort, hope, and the end of pain, as the soul leaves the physical body to dwell in heaven."

Educate yourself

 

[Hafar1014]

Title page means nothing. I asked you What Bible do you consider authoritative, meaning the Word of God.

I asked you, what books in the Old Testament do you consider the Word of God?

I asked you, where in Genesis, chapter and verse does it say 'Genesis is about free will, the moral teaching of Adam and the trial for man's freedom?

Simple questions for one who is genuine. Hard questions for a fake.

Quantrill

Thats what the allegory means and thats supported by Orthodox Jews who study this every day. Its also very clear but you are taking an allegory as literal fact which means you will never understand it. Christianity was created because some people were to dumb to understand Judaism. So they dumbed it down and the rest is history. Christian violence and persectution.

 

[Quantrill]

Thats what the allegory means and thats supported by Orthodox Jews who study this every day. Its also very clear but you are taking an allegory as literal fact which means you will never understand it. Christianity was created because some people were to dumb to understand Judaism. So they dumbed it down and the rest is history. Christian violence and persectution.

Please answer my questions. You answered nothing.

Quantrill

 

[Cougarbear]

He said they would surely die and they didnt. The test for free will is disobedience. They were supposed to eat the fruit thats why its fruit in the first place. This was all gods plan. After Adam ate the fruit god said what hast thou done? God knows come on its god. God is giving Adam a chance to admit it to see if he has acquired morals contained in the fruit. This is called the Trial for mans Freedom not the fall of man. How can learning moral values taught by god be fall. You simply cant understand the meaning of the allegory

Original sin is defined as we are all born in that sin and we must believe in Jesus or burn in hell. Thats to compel you to believe in Jesus. Why do Christians get baptized? None of this is in Genesis. Christianity is based on a lie

The meaning is free will must be controlled with morals and God taught humanity, Adam and Eve are metaphors, moral values as described by eating the fruit from the tree that contains knowledge of right and wrong.

Yes they did die. Do you see them around today? They also died spiritually as they no longer were in the presence of God. And, like Abel, could have died right away after leaving the Garden.

The Original Sin doctrine is incorrect. The sin of Adam only changed the earth from a state of immortality to mortality. Also, from morality to immortality. As we are born into the world we are subject to mortality and immortality. But, we are sinless when born. We have about 8 years until we come to that age of knowing the difference between good and evil. We then have a choice to use what our parents taught us to choose for ourselves good and evil. If we sin, which we all do many times a day, a Savior was provided for us in which he would take upon himself the sins and afflictions we may suffer in mortality if we accept this Savior (Messiah) when we come to know who he is, Jesus the Christ. That can be during mortality on earth or in the spirit world as Peter taught.

Heaven and Hell are for after the resurrection. And I have the knowledge that this reference to Hell is actually a place known as Perdition where Lucifer and the fallen angels are now and forever.

Spirit prison is a waiting place for our resurrection for after we die. The body goes into the ground while our spirits separated from our bodies to spirit prison. Trapped until resurrection in two places, Paradise or Hell where the wicked and unrepentant go.

So please stop acting like I believe in the Catholic original sin.

 

[MarcATL]

""To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" is a promise from 2 Corinthians 5:8 (NKJV/KJV) that for believers, death is an immediate transition from earthly life to the presence of Jesus. It signifies comfort, hope, and the end of pain, as the soul leaves the physical body to dwell in heaven."

Educate yourself

What was the context there buddy?

BTW, I can present way more texts against your distorted view of the subject.

Educate yourself indeed.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Gods moral teaching of Adam is not the fall. Adam was obeying Gods will to eat the fruit that contains knowledge of good and evil. That cant be a sin. That was Gods plan then the trial for mans freedom begins. Adam eventually admitted he ate it and came to God of his free will. Thats what god wanted. The serpent is not the Satan. Its a metaphor from Jewish folklore the only animal that has speech and stands for guile.

Genesis is about free will and moral development and choosing to come to god. You Christians distorted it and made it all about sin and punishment to use as way to force obedience with a threat. Thats step backward from true Judaism. Since you cant read Hebrew you have no idea what it really means.

In all Truthful Reality Hafar,.... It was the 13 physical tribes of The Children of Yisrael that majorly "Distorted"/"Corrupted", even Abandoned The Teachings of "The Way", many, many, many times per as many Scriptures.


Exo 19:3 Moses went up to God, and Yahweh called to him out of the mountain, saying, “This is what you shall tell the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel:
Exo 19:4 ‘You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles’ wings, and brought you to myself.
Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey my voice, and keep my covenant, then you shall be my own possession from among all peoples; for all the earth is mine;
Exo 19:6 and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation.’ These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.”

The "Children of Yisrael" never received the promises of Exodus 19.6, Up to this Day.

BUT,.... The Believing Yisraelites, & The Believing Gentiles joined with them, after The Time of Yacob's Trouble/ The Time of Trouble/ The Tribulation, ... They collectively will Receive those Promises.

The Anger/Wrath of YAHWEH fell heavily upon The House of Yisrael, & The House of Yudah, & It will again, during The End Times.
Now, as far as what You've read in the Talmud, etc., about what the book of Genesis is about, what Adam did, etc.,..... Those are Satanically Inspired Lies, not found in The Torah, nor The Tanach, nor in the N.T.

Another thing here,...... "Judaism" is not the Name of the "Faith" of The Children of Yisrael, nor is the Torah/Tanach about "Judaism",.... That's another "Satanically Inspired Lie" taught by several of the "Jewish Sects/Movements".

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

""To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" is a promise from 2 Corinthians 5:8 (NKJV/KJV) that for believers, death is an immediate transition from earthly life to the presence of Jesus. It signifies comfort, hope, and the end of pain, as the soul leaves the physical body to dwell in heaven."

Educate yourself

"death is an immediate transition from earthly life to the presence of Jesus."
Not so, per many Scriptures outside of the Teachings of the somewhat Questionable Paul.
I have many Scriptures that clearly state that when Man dies,....They sleep.
Psa 115:17 The dead don’t praise Yah, neither any who go down into silence;
Psa 115:18 But we will bless Yah, from this time forward and forever more. Praise Yah!

 

[Cougarbear]

What was the context there buddy?

BTW, I can present way more texts against your distorted view of the subject.

Educate yourself indeed.

Reading and Comprehension issues? He gave you the Biblical text and you still argue? Good grief! grow up.

 

[Cougarbear]

"death is an immediate transition from earthly life to the presence of Jesus."
Not so, per many Scriptures outside of the Teachings of the somewhat Questionable Paul.
I have many Scriptures that clearly state that when Man dies,....They sleep.
Psa 115:17 The dead don’t praise Yah, neither any who go down into silence;
Psa 115:18 But we will bless Yah, from this time forward and forever more. Praise Yah!

First, you used an OT verse and he used a NT verse. Who are you to question Paul? How about Peter? He was given the job to lead the Apostles when he left. Have you read 1Peter chapter's 3 and 4 where Jesus himself went and conversed with the spirits of the dead in spirit prison? Please!

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

First, you used an OT verse and he used a NT verse. Who are you to question Paul? How about Peter? He was given the job to lead the Apostles when he left. Have you read 1Peter chapter's 3 and 4 where Jesus himself went and conversed with the spirits of the dead in spirit prison? Please!

After many years of Intensive study, of The Scriptures as well as the Canonizers, & the processes that they used,..... I have every Right, as a Believer in the Resurrected, & Soon Returning Messiah, to question whether the "Upholders of the Oral Law", &/or the Pagan Catholics Truthfully collected All of the Works, that were "Spiritually Inspired", & Honored by The Believers of The Way.

Both the "Jewish", & Catholic Canonizers Failed in what they should have done.
The "Jews" excluded many works such as Enoch, & Yasher, and they added Works such as Nehemiah, Ezra, & Esther, that gave credence to the changing of the Priesthood, as well as establishing a Sabbath that was not Commanded. They also excluded the books of the Maccabees, & yet they lay claim to a "Sabbatical Holiday" named Hanukkah where they claim that the Menorah burned for 8 days on 1 day's supply of oil. That did not happen, nor is it recorded in the Maccabees.

Peter was indeed Commissioned to be the Leader of The Apostles, and Scripturally via The Messiah, he nor The Apostles were forbidden to Teach "The Way" to the World.
I Question/Reject several Books/letters alluded to Paul, because in those writings such as Hebrews 8, he states that which is not found in the Tanach,:
Heb 9:2 For a tabernacle was prepared. In the first part were the lamp stand, the table, and the show bread; which is called the Holy Place.
Heb 9:3 After the second veil was the tabernacle which is called the Holy of Holies,
Heb 9:4 having a golden altar of incense, and the ark of the covenant overlaid on all sides with gold, in which was a golden pot holding the manna, Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant;
Heb 9:5 and above it cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat, of which things we can’t speak now in detail.

I'll put it this way,.... If what is written by Paul, Peter, etc. doesn't completely Agree with what The Messiah, The Prophets, & The Patriarchs taught, then I do not accept it.

 

[Cougarbear]

After many years of Intensive study, of The Scriptures as well as the Canonizers, & the processes that they used,..... I have every Right, as a Believer in the Resurrected, & Soon Returning Messiah, to question whether the "Upholders of the Oral Law", &/or the Pagan Catholics Truthfully collected All of the Works, that were "Spiritually Inspired", & Honored by The Believers of The Way.

Both the "Jewish", & Catholic Canonizers Failed in what they should have done.
The "Jews" excluded many works such as Enoch, & Yasher, and they added Works such as Nehemiah, Ezra, & Esther, that gave credence to the changing of the Priesthood, as well as establishing a Sabbath that was not Commanded. They also excluded the books of the Maccabees, & yet they lay claim to a "Sabbatical Holiday" named Hanukkah where they claim that the Menorah burned for 8 days on 1 day's supply of oil. That did not happen, nor is it recorded in the Maccabees.

Peter was indeed Commissioned to be the Leader of The Apostles, and Scripturally via The Messiah, he nor The Apostles were forbidden to Teach "The Way" to the World.
I Question/Reject several Books/letters alluded to Paul, because in those writings such as Hebrews 8, he states that which is not found in the Tanach,:
Heb 9:2 For a tabernacle was prepared. In the first part were the lamp stand, the table, and the show bread; which is called the Holy Place.
Heb 9:3 After the second veil was the tabernacle which is called the Holy of Holies,
Heb 9:4 having a golden altar of incense, and the ark of the covenant overlaid on all sides with gold, in which was a golden pot holding the manna, Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant;
Heb 9:5 and above it cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat, of which things we can’t speak now in detail.

I'll put it this way,.... If what is written by Paul, Peter, etc. doesn't completely Agree with what The Messiah, The Prophets, & The Patriarchs taught, then I do not accept it.

You have missed greatly the purpose of Jesus Christ. Not only did he come to atone for our sins, he came with a “New” covenant and more knowledge than the preparatory law of Moses. Even he changed the temple rites as well. Line upon line, precept upon precept, more knowledge was given to His Apostles including Paul.

With that said, yes, there are missing books of the Bible. There are also missing letters of the Apostles as well. But, what we have miraculously came through with little changes wit a few additions to push the idea of the false trinity. You really need to also understand Israel went through centuries of apostasy. As did Christianity.

 

[ding]

The rapture is a Protestant teaching and is not Bibical

I always took you for a protestant.

 

[JustAGuy1]

"death is an immediate transition from earthly life to the presence of Jesus."
Not so, per many Scriptures outside of the Teachings of the somewhat Questionable Paul.
I have many Scriptures that clearly state that when Man dies,....They sleep.
Psa 115:17 The dead don’t praise Yah, neither any who go down into silence;
Psa 115:18 But we will bless Yah, from this time forward and forever more. Praise Yah!

"death is an immediate transition from earthly life to the presence of Jesus."
Not so, per many Scriptures outside of the Teachings of the somewhat Questionable Paul.
I have many Scriptures that clearly state that when Man dies,....They sleep.
Psa 115:17 The dead don’t praise Yah, neither any who go down into silence;
Psa 115:18 But we will bless Yah, from this time forward and forever more. Praise Yah!

Sorry but your wrong.

"death is an immediate transition from earthly life to the presence of Jesus."
Not so, per many Scriptures outside of the Teachings of the somewhat Questionable Paul.
I have many Scriptures that clearly state that when Man dies,....They sleep.
Psa 115:17 The dead don’t praise Yah, neither any who go down into silence;
Psa 115:18 But we will bless Yah, from this time forward and forever more. Praise Yah!

"death is an immediate transition from earthly life to the presence of Jesus."
Not so, per many Scriptures outside of the Teachings of the somewhat Questionable Paul.
I have many Scriptures that clearly state that when Man dies,....They sleep.
Psa 115:17 The dead don’t praise Yah, neither any who go down into silence;
Psa 115:18 But we will bless Yah, from this time forward and forever more. Praise Yah!

Sorry but you are incorrect.

 

[JustAGuy1]

What was the context there buddy?

BTW, I can present way more texts against your distorted view of the subject.

Educate yourself indeed.

Sorry son, Paul knows more than any of us.

 

[JustAGuy1]

What was the context there buddy?

BTW, I can present way more texts against your distorted view of the subject.

Educate yourself indeed.

I am not your buddy and I know the Scriptures, you are incorrect.

 

[MarcATL]

I am not your buddy and I know the Scriptures, you are incorrect.

So what's the context buddy? You're not answering.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

You have missed greatly the purpose of Jesus Christ. Not only did he come to atone for our sins, he came with a “New” covenant and more knowledge than the preparatory law of Moses. Even he changed the temple rites as well. Line upon line, precept upon precept, more knowledge was given to His Apostles including Paul.

With that said, yes, there are missing books of the Bible. There are also missing letters of the Apostles as well. But, what we have miraculously came through with little changes wit a few additions to push the idea of the false trinity. You really need to also understand Israel went through centuries of apostasy. As did Christianity.

"You have missed greatly the purpose of Jesus Christ."

No Cougar, You, & the majority, have missed His purpose, & His Teachings.

Mat 5:17 “Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For most certainly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished.
Mat 5:19 Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

Mat 19:16 Behold, one came to him and said, “Good teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?”
Mat 19:17 He said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Mat 19:18 He said to him, “Which ones?” Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder.’ ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ ‘You shall not steal.’ ‘You shall not offer false testimony.’
Mat 19:19 ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ And, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’”
Mat 19:20 The young man said to him, “All these things I have observed from my youth. What do I still lack?”
Mat 19:21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sad, for he was one who had great possessions.

Mat 22:34 But the Pharisees, when they heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, gathered themselves together.
Mat 22:35 One of them, a lawyer, asked him a question, testing him.
Mat 22:36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the law?”
Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 A second likewise is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
Mat 22:40 The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments.”
Exo 20:1 God spoke all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 “I am Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 “You shall have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 “You shall not make for yourselves an idol, nor any image of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 you shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them, for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me,
Exo 20:6 and showing loving kindness to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 “You shall not take the name of Yahweh your God in vain, for Yahweh will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 You shall labor six days, and do all your work,
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to Yahweh your God. You shall not do any work in it, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your livestock, nor your stranger who is within your gates;
Exo 20:11 for in six days Yahweh made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore Yahweh blessed the Sabbath day, and made it holy.

Exo 20:12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land which Yahweh your God gives you.
Exo 20:13 “You shall not murder.
Exo 20:14 “You shall not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 “You shall not steal.
Exo 20:16 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
Exo 20:17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

Joh 14:15 If you love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:21 One who has my commandments, and keeps them, that person is one who loves me. One who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him, and will reveal myself to him.”
Jer 31:31 “Behold, the days come,” says Yahweh, “that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which covenant of mine they broke, although I was a husband to them,” says Yahweh.
Jer 31:33 “But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” says Yahweh: I will put my law in their inward parts, and I will write it in their heart. I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 They will no longer each teach his neighbor, and every man teach his brother, saying, ‘Know Yahweh;’ for they will all know me, from their least to their greatest,” says Yahweh: “for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
Rev_12:17 The dragon grew angry with the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep God’s commandments and hold Jesus’ testimony.

Rev_14:12 Here is the perseverance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”

Rev_22:14 Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.
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"Even he changed the temple rites as well."

Not So, otherwise the Prophets Yeremiah, Ezekiel, Isaiah, & more are Liars.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Sorry but your wrong.





Sorry but you are incorrect.

No Guy, I am not.