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As many of you already know, most scholars do not believe that Jesus was born on December 25th. Why that date was chosen to celebrate the birth of Christ is a topic for another time, it's not what this thread is about.

While the Bible doesn't give a specific date for Jesus' birth, the scriptures do give us a number of clues. However, even with those clues, there are still different ideas on when Jesus was actually born. Some people believe He was born during Sukkot (the Feast of Tabernacles.) But there is another view, that Jesus was born during the Feast of Trumpets, which is the first day of the Hebrew month of Tishrei. This is the view that I believe is true.

Interestingly, some researchers have determined the exact day and year that Jesus was born — not simply based on the scriptural clues, but also on the specific celestial alignment which is mentioned in Revelation 12:1-5.

There is a very small window of time (80 minutes) when all the celestial signs described in Revelation 12 were present, and that time was September 11, 3 BC. Dr. Michael Heiser talks about it in this video, for anyone who wants to take a look. Also, here is an article on this topic that goes into it in more depth.

That date, on that specific year, was Tishri 1 of the Jewish calendar, the beginning of the Feast of Trumpets. Which makes sense, trumpets announcing the birth of Christ. It also makes sense for other reasons, as Dr. Heiser mentions at the end of this video. (Click the image below if you want to watch it.)



So, if Jesus was born on September 11, 3 BC, when was Jesus conceived? Well, let's go back 9 months. Someone who was born on September 11 would have been conceived in late December.

Some students of the bible believe that another clue regarding when Jesus came into this world is found in Haggai 2:18-19. I added the bold.

‘Consider now from this day forward, from the twenty-fourth day of the ninth month, from the day that the foundation of the Lord’s temple was laid—consider it: Is the seed still in the barn? As yet the vine, the fig tree, the pomegranate, and the olive tree have not yielded fruit. But from this day I will bless you.’ ”​

The 24th day of the ninth month is the 24th of Kislev. On our calendar, that date would be late December, although the exact date changes every year on our calendar. Hanukkah starts on the 25th of Kislev, which again changes every year on our calendar, but often falls around Christmas time.

There are different interpretations of that Haggai passage, but we know that sometimes a scripture can have more than one meaning. Often, a scripture will speak about a physical event, while at the same time prophesying a future event, or a spiritual truth.

In this particular case, we don't have to agree, but many believers believe that the Haggai passage is a prophetic verse about Jesus coming into this world, not His birth, but His conception. It makes sense, since the Messiah is called the foundation or "chief cornerstone" and the Haggai verse speaks about the laying of the foundation.

It also makes sense that Jesus was conceived in late December, during Hanukkah, because Hanukkah is also called the Festival of Lights, and the Messiah is the Light of the World.

I don't know about you, but for me this makes me want to celebrate Hanukkah, because if Jesus, the Light of the World, was indeed conceived at that time, to me that is even more special than the day Jesus was born. After all, life begins at conception, not birth. :)

Ok, this post turned out to be longer than I thought it would. But I found it very interesting, when you look at all the symbolism, prophetic scriptures about both the conception and birth of Christ, and how one can actually pinpoint the exact day, based on all the clues we were given. What are your thoughts on this?
 
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As many of you already know, most scholars do not believe that Jesus was born on December 25th. Why that date was chosen to celebrate the birth of Christ is a topic for another time, it's not what this thread is about.

While the Bible doesn't give a specific date for Jesus' birth, the scriptures do give us a number of clues. However, even with those clues, there are still different ideas on when Jesus was actually born. Some people believe He was born during Sukkot (the Feast of Tabernacles.) But there is another view, that Jesus was born during the Feast of Trumpets, which is the first day of the Hebrew month of Tishrei. This is the view that I believe is true.

Interestingly, some researchers have determined the exact day and year that Jesus was born — not simply based on the scriptural clues, but also on the specific celestial alignment which is mentioned in Revelation 12:1-5.

There is a very small window of time (80 minutes) when all the celestial signs described in Revelation 12 were present, and that time was September 11, 3 BC. Dr. Michael Heiser talks about it in this video, for anyone who wants to take a look. Also, here is an article on this topic that goes into it in more depth.

That date, on that specific year, was Tishri 1 of the Jewish calendar, the beginning of the Feast of Trumpets. Which makes sense, trumpets announcing the birth of Christ. It also makes sense for other reasons, as Dr. Heiser mentions at the end of this video. (Click the image below if you want to watch it.)



So, if Jesus was born on September 11, 3 BC, when was Jesus conceived? Well, let's go back 9 months. Someone who was born on September 11 would have been conceived in late December.

Some students of the bible believe that another clue regarding when Jesus came into this world is found in Haggai 2:18-19. I added the bold.

‘Consider now from this day forward, from the twenty-fourth day of the ninth month, from the day that the foundation of the Lord’s temple was laid—consider it: Is the seed still in the barn? As yet the vine, the fig tree, the pomegranate, and the olive tree have not yielded fruit. But from this day I will bless you.’ ”​

The 24th day of the ninth month is the 24th of Kislev. On our calendar, that date would be late December, although the exact date changes every year on our calendar. Hanukkah starts on the 25th of Kislev, which again changes every year on our calendar, but often falls around Christmas time.

There are different interpretations of that Haggai passage, but we know that sometimes a scripture can have more than one meaning. Often, a scripture will speak about a physical event, while at the same time prophesying a future event, or a spiritual truth.

In this particular case, we don't have to agree, but many believers believe that the Haggai passage is a prophetic verse about Jesus coming into this world, not His birth, but His conception. It makes sense, since the Messiah is called the foundation or "chief cornerstone" and the Haggai verse speaks about the laying of the foundation.

It also makes sense that Jesus was conceived in late December, during Hanukkah, because Hanukkah is also called the Festival of Lights, and the Messiah is the Light of the World.

I don't know about you, but for me this makes me want to celebrate Hanukkah, because if Jesus, the Light of the World, was indeed conceived at that time, to me that is even more special than the day Jesus was born. After all, life begins at conception, not birth. :)

Ok, this post turned out to be longer than I thought it would. But I found it very interesting, when you look at all the symbolism, prophetic scriptures about both the conception and birth of Christ, and how one can actually pinpoint the exact day, based on all the clues we were given. What are your thoughts on this?
Well, Jesus birthday aside, the Maccabee War occurred nearly 200 years before Jesus birth so any correlation doesn't seem to add up. Hanukah really is it's own celebration not at all related to Jesus.

Hanukkah is literally translated into "dedication" and it is referring to the uprising of the Jews against the Syrian-Greeks who had at one time allowed Jews to practice their religion but were now trying to clamp down, Hellenists trying to have them worship false G-ds and engage in general idiolatry, a serious in in Judaism.


This war was fought and won by the Jewish Freedom Fighters referred to as the Maccabees. Often endeared with the phrase "the light overcoming the darkness". They restored the temple which the pagans had destroyed and continued their practices without fear of being killed for their beliefs.

Some interesting debates, of which there are countless in the Talmud and within the Jewish community; apparently, according to a well known Rabbi in Jerusalem who I listen to often, the oil for the menorah was only supposed to last for one day, but ended up lasting for eight. Hence the eight days of lighting, though he suggests that in historical books on this period, it was not a literal event but a symbolic based on the details so the oil story doesn't seem to be a literal, but that's just his statement based on his readings.

Also, according to these historical documents/books which dissect this historical period, pieced together, the war continued for 25 years though it isn't always taken to be that length by the modern follower. I have read from different sources that it lasted from 7-40 years. This is the challenge with history which was often spread by word of mouth in that time.

I'm not sure about the relevance to Jesus who wouldn't be born for nearly two centuries if my memory is correct. Neither the two should overlap though I suppose you could associate one with the other. This isn't new though is it? This is why it is safe to refer to the period as the "Holidays".
 
Well, Jesus birthday aside, the Maccabee War occurred nearly 200 years before Jesus birth so any correlation doesn't seem to add up. Hanukah really is it's own celebration not at all related to Jesus.

Hanukkah is literally translated into "dedication" and it is referring to the uprising of the Jews against the Syrian-Greeks who had at one time allowed Jews to practice their religion but were now trying to clamp down, Hellenists trying to have them worship false G-ds and engage in general idiolatry, a serious in in Judaism.


This war was fought and won by the Jewish Freedom Fighters referred to as the Maccabees. Often endeared with the phrase "the light overcoming the darkness". They restored the temple which the pagans had destroyed and continued their practices without fear of being killed for their beliefs.

Some interesting debates, of which there are countless in the Talmud and within the Jewish community; apparently, according to a well known Rabbi in Jerusalem who I listen to often, the oil for the menorah was only supposed to last for one day, but ended up lasting for eight. Hence the eight days of lighting, though he suggests that in historical books on this period, it was not a literal event but a symbolic based on the details so the oil story doesn't seem to be a literal, but that's just his statement based on his readings.

Also, according to these historical documents/books which dissect this historical period, pieced together, the war continued for 25 years though it isn't always taken to be that length by the modern follower. I have read from different sources that it lasted from 7-40 years. This is the challenge with history which was often spread by word of mouth in that time.

I'm not sure about the relevance to Jesus who wouldn't be born for nearly two centuries if my memory is correct. Neither the two should overlap though I suppose you could associate one with the other. This isn't new though is it? This is why it is safe to refer to the period as the "Holidays".

Thanks for your thoughts. I'm going to get back to this later, or when I can, because I don't want to write a rushed reply and I have to sign off of here now. But I do want to reply to this. :)


He was born on December 25th.

Nope, that date doesn't work at all, for numerous reasons. And again, most scholars don't believe that Jesus was born on that day.

December 25 IS, however, said to be the birthday of Nimrod. When you put that together with all the pagan elements of Christmas, it's not surprising, as the enemy always wants to thwart truth.
 
As many of you already know, most scholars do not believe that Jesus was born on December 25th. Why that date was chosen to celebrate the birth of Christ is a topic for another time, it's not what this thread is about.

While the Bible doesn't give a specific date for Jesus' birth, the scriptures do give us a number of clues. However, even with those clues, there are still different ideas on when Jesus was actually born. Some people believe He was born during Sukkot (the Feast of Tabernacles.) But there is another view, that Jesus was born during the Feast of Trumpets, which is the first day of the Hebrew month of Tishrei. This is the view that I believe is true.

Interestingly, some researchers have determined the exact day and year that Jesus was born — not simply based on the scriptural clues, but also on the specific celestial alignment which is mentioned in Revelation 12:1-5.

There is a very small window of time (80 minutes) when all the celestial signs described in Revelation 12 were present, and that time was September 11, 3 BC. Dr. Michael Heiser talks about it in this video, for anyone who wants to take a look. Also, here is an article on this topic that goes into it in more depth.

That date, on that specific year, was Tishri 1 of the Jewish calendar, the beginning of the Feast of Trumpets. Which makes sense, trumpets announcing the birth of Christ. It also makes sense for other reasons, as Dr. Heiser mentions at the end of this video. (Click the image below if you want to watch it.)



So, if Jesus was born on September 11, 3 BC, when was Jesus conceived? Well, let's go back 9 months. Someone who was born on September 11 would have been conceived in late December.

Some students of the bible believe that another clue regarding when Jesus came into this world is found in Haggai 2:18-19. I added the bold.

‘Consider now from this day forward, from the twenty-fourth day of the ninth month, from the day that the foundation of the Lord’s temple was laid—consider it: Is the seed still in the barn? As yet the vine, the fig tree, the pomegranate, and the olive tree have not yielded fruit. But from this day I will bless you.’ ”​

The 24th day of the ninth month is the 24th of Kislev. On our calendar, that date would be late December, although the exact date changes every year on our calendar. Hanukkah starts on the 25th of Kislev, which again changes every year on our calendar, but often falls around Christmas time.

There are different interpretations of that Haggai passage, but we know that sometimes a scripture can have more than one meaning. Often, a scripture will speak about a physical event, while at the same time prophesying a future event, or a spiritual truth.

In this particular case, we don't have to agree, but many believers believe that the Haggai passage is a prophetic verse about Jesus coming into this world, not His birth, but His conception. It makes sense, since the Messiah is called the foundation or "chief cornerstone" and the Haggai verse speaks about the laying of the foundation.

It also makes sense that Jesus was conceived in late December, during Hanukkah, because Hanukkah is also called the Festival of Lights, and the Messiah is the Light of the World.

I don't know about you, but for me this makes me want to celebrate Hanukkah, because if Jesus, the Light of the World, was indeed conceived at that time, to me that is even more special than the day Jesus was born. After all, life begins at conception, not birth. :)

Ok, this post turned out to be longer than I thought it would. But I found it very interesting, when you look at all the symbolism, prophetic scriptures about both the conception and birth of Christ, and how one can actually pinpoint the exact day, based on all the clues we were given. What are your thoughts on this?
Very insightful, and I agree.
I also believe He was born in the autumn and believe He will Return in Trumpets.

God's Holy Days lay out His plan for Mankind. Tabernacles (Succoth) represents the establishment of God's Kingdom on earth -- the Sabbath rest.

This is why God's Church keeps the Holy Days and not the pagan festivals given by the Catholic Church
 
As many of you already know, most scholars do not believe that Jesus was born on December 25th. Why that date was chosen to celebrate the birth of Christ is a topic for another time, it's not what this thread is about.

While the Bible doesn't give a specific date for Jesus' birth, the scriptures do give us a number of clues. However, even with those clues, there are still different ideas on when Jesus was actually born. Some people believe He was born during Sukkot (the Feast of Tabernacles.) But there is another view, that Jesus was born during the Feast of Trumpets, which is the first day of the Hebrew month of Tishrei. This is the view that I believe is true.

Interestingly, some researchers have determined the exact day and year that Jesus was born — not simply based on the scriptural clues, but also on the specific celestial alignment which is mentioned in Revelation 12:1-5.

There is a very small window of time (80 minutes) when all the celestial signs described in Revelation 12 were present, and that time was September 11, 3 BC. Dr. Michael Heiser talks about it in this video, for anyone who wants to take a look. Also, here is an article on this topic that goes into it in more depth.

That date, on that specific year, was Tishri 1 of the Jewish calendar, the beginning of the Feast of Trumpets. Which makes sense, trumpets announcing the birth of Christ. It also makes sense for other reasons, as Dr. Heiser mentions at the end of this video. (Click the image below if you want to watch it.)



So, if Jesus was born on September 11, 3 BC, when was Jesus conceived? Well, let's go back 9 months. Someone who was born on September 11 would have been conceived in late December.

Some students of the bible believe that another clue regarding when Jesus came into this world is found in Haggai 2:18-19. I added the bold.

‘Consider now from this day forward, from the twenty-fourth day of the ninth month, from the day that the foundation of the Lord’s temple was laid—consider it: Is the seed still in the barn? As yet the vine, the fig tree, the pomegranate, and the olive tree have not yielded fruit. But from this day I will bless you.’ ”​

The 24th day of the ninth month is the 24th of Kislev. On our calendar, that date would be late December, although the exact date changes every year on our calendar. Hanukkah starts on the 25th of Kislev, which again changes every year on our calendar, but often falls around Christmas time.

There are different interpretations of that Haggai passage, but we know that sometimes a scripture can have more than one meaning. Often, a scripture will speak about a physical event, while at the same time prophesying a future event, or a spiritual truth.

In this particular case, we don't have to agree, but many believers believe that the Haggai passage is a prophetic verse about Jesus coming into this world, not His birth, but His conception. It makes sense, since the Messiah is called the foundation or "chief cornerstone" and the Haggai verse speaks about the laying of the foundation.

It also makes sense that Jesus was conceived in late December, during Hanukkah, because Hanukkah is also called the Festival of Lights, and the Messiah is the Light of the World.

I don't know about you, but for me this makes me want to celebrate Hanukkah, because if Jesus, the Light of the World, was indeed conceived at that time, to me that is even more special than the day Jesus was born. After all, life begins at conception, not birth. :)

Ok, this post turned out to be longer than I thought it would. But I found it very interesting, when you look at all the symbolism, prophetic scriptures about both the conception and birth of Christ, and how one can actually pinpoint the exact day, based on all the clues we were given. What are your thoughts on this?
I already celebrate it TWICE a year; fantastic if I get to celebrate a third time!! Merry Christmas, Buttercup!! (RC and Orthodox)

Greg
 
As many of you already know, most scholars do not believe that Jesus was born on December 25th. Why that date was chosen to celebrate the birth of Christ is a topic for another time, it's not what this thread is about.

While the Bible doesn't give a specific date for Jesus' birth, the scriptures do give us a number of clues. However, even with those clues, there are still different ideas on when Jesus was actually born. Some people believe He was born during Sukkot (the Feast of Tabernacles.) But there is another view, that Jesus was born during the Feast of Trumpets, which is the first day of the Hebrew month of Tishrei. This is the view that I believe is true.

Interestingly, some researchers have determined the exact day and year that Jesus was born — not simply based on the scriptural clues, but also on the specific celestial alignment which is mentioned in Revelation 12:1-5.

There is a very small window of time (80 minutes) when all the celestial signs described in Revelation 12 were present, and that time was September 11, 3 BC. Dr. Michael Heiser talks about it in this video, for anyone who wants to take a look. Also, here is an article on this topic that goes into it in more depth.

That date, on that specific year, was Tishri 1 of the Jewish calendar, the beginning of the Feast of Trumpets. Which makes sense, trumpets announcing the birth of Christ. It also makes sense for other reasons, as Dr. Heiser mentions at the end of this video. (Click the image below if you want to watch it.)



So, if Jesus was born on September 11, 3 BC, when was Jesus conceived? Well, let's go back 9 months. Someone who was born on September 11 would have been conceived in late December.

Some students of the bible believe that another clue regarding when Jesus came into this world is found in Haggai 2:18-19. I added the bold.

‘Consider now from this day forward, from the twenty-fourth day of the ninth month, from the day that the foundation of the Lord’s temple was laid—consider it: Is the seed still in the barn? As yet the vine, the fig tree, the pomegranate, and the olive tree have not yielded fruit. But from this day I will bless you.’ ”​

The 24th day of the ninth month is the 24th of Kislev. On our calendar, that date would be late December, although the exact date changes every year on our calendar. Hanukkah starts on the 25th of Kislev, which again changes every year on our calendar, but often falls around Christmas time.

There are different interpretations of that Haggai passage, but we know that sometimes a scripture can have more than one meaning. Often, a scripture will speak about a physical event, while at the same time prophesying a future event, or a spiritual truth.

In this particular case, we don't have to agree, but many believers believe that the Haggai passage is a prophetic verse about Jesus coming into this world, not His birth, but His conception. It makes sense, since the Messiah is called the foundation or "chief cornerstone" and the Haggai verse speaks about the laying of the foundation.

It also makes sense that Jesus was conceived in late December, during Hanukkah, because Hanukkah is also called the Festival of Lights, and the Messiah is the Light of the World.

I don't know about you, but for me this makes me want to celebrate Hanukkah, because if Jesus, the Light of the World, was indeed conceived at that time, to me that is even more special than the day Jesus was born. After all, life begins at conception, not birth. :)

Ok, this post turned out to be longer than I thought it would. But I found it very interesting, when you look at all the symbolism, prophetic scriptures about both the conception and birth of Christ, and how one can actually pinpoint the exact day, based on all the clues we were given. What are your thoughts on this?
Nah, they were just borrowing many cultures devotion to Baal's birthday on Dec 25th, and since they were plagiarizing the Baal Mythology (like the death scene, then the dying son (morning star) mythology surpassing or masking his father on the throne borrows the same date as father and son are one (in the same mythology).
Don't believe me? Look at the end of the Roman joke where the punchline sits REV 22:16 JESUS IS CLAIMED BAAL'S SON the Morning Star (look it up)-
 
Nah, they were just borrowing many cultures devotion to Baal's birthday on Dec 25th, and since they were plagiarizing the Baal Mythology (like the death scene, then the dying son (morning star) mythology surpassing or masking his father on the throne borrows the same date as father and son are one (in the same mythology).
Don't believe me? Look at the end of the Roman joke where the punchline sits REV 22:16 JESUS IS CLAIMED BAAL'S SON the Morning Star (look it up)-
Baal’s birthday December 25 th when the physical sun/ son in the sky dies( stops moving darkest days of the year) for three days and then is reborn as it starts to move again on the 25 th of December… Showing that instead of following spiritual light which is truth and knowledge one third of mankind follows and worships luciferean light or a physical light because the Romans who gave the world Jesus did not understand the original concepts or worse they did and enjoyed playing jokes on their slaves and subjects take your pick… There were 16 crucified Saviors all based on plagerizing the same story line and each had a different name Jesus just being the last in a line of many…
 
As many of you already know, most scholars do not believe that Jesus was born on December 25th. Why that date was chosen to celebrate the birth of Christ is a topic for another time, it's not what this thread is about.

While the Bible doesn't give a specific date for Jesus' birth, the scriptures do give us a number of clues. However, even with those clues, there are still different ideas on when Jesus was actually born. Some people believe He was born during Sukkot (the Feast of Tabernacles.) But there is another view, that Jesus was born during the Feast of Trumpets, which is the first day of the Hebrew month of Tishrei. This is the view that I believe is true.

Interestingly, some researchers have determined the exact day and year that Jesus was born — not simply based on the scriptural clues, but also on the specific celestial alignment which is mentioned in Revelation 12:1-5.

There is a very small window of time (80 minutes) when all the celestial signs described in Revelation 12 were present, and that time was September 11, 3 BC. Dr. Michael Heiser talks about it in this video, for anyone who wants to take a look. Also, here is an article on this topic that goes into it in more depth.

That date, on that specific year, was Tishri 1 of the Jewish calendar, the beginning of the Feast of Trumpets. Which makes sense, trumpets announcing the birth of Christ. It also makes sense for other reasons, as Dr. Heiser mentions at the end of this video. (Click the image below if you want to watch it.)



So, if Jesus was born on September 11, 3 BC, when was Jesus conceived? Well, let's go back 9 months. Someone who was born on September 11 would have been conceived in late December.

Some students of the bible believe that another clue regarding when Jesus came into this world is found in Haggai 2:18-19. I added the bold.

‘Consider now from this day forward, from the twenty-fourth day of the ninth month, from the day that the foundation of the Lord’s temple was laid—consider it: Is the seed still in the barn? As yet the vine, the fig tree, the pomegranate, and the olive tree have not yielded fruit. But from this day I will bless you.’ ”​

The 24th day of the ninth month is the 24th of Kislev. On our calendar, that date would be late December, although the exact date changes every year on our calendar. Hanukkah starts on the 25th of Kislev, which again changes every year on our calendar, but often falls around Christmas time.

There are different interpretations of that Haggai passage, but we know that sometimes a scripture can have more than one meaning. Often, a scripture will speak about a physical event, while at the same time prophesying a future event, or a spiritual truth.

In this particular case, we don't have to agree, but many believers believe that the Haggai passage is a prophetic verse about Jesus coming into this world, not His birth, but His conception. It makes sense, since the Messiah is called the foundation or "chief cornerstone" and the Haggai verse speaks about the laying of the foundation.

It also makes sense that Jesus was conceived in late December, during Hanukkah, because Hanukkah is also called the Festival of Lights, and the Messiah is the Light of the World.

I don't know about you, but for me this makes me want to celebrate Hanukkah, because if Jesus, the Light of the World, was indeed conceived at that time, to me that is even more special than the day Jesus was born. After all, life begins at conception, not birth. :)

Ok, this post turned out to be longer than I thought it would. But I found it very interesting, when you look at all the symbolism, prophetic scriptures about both the conception and birth of Christ, and how one can actually pinpoint the exact day, based on all the clues we were given. What are your thoughts on this?

Interesting, and seems credible. But personally not a big deal for me, as a Christian. What I mean by that: hardcore secularists think it's a big slam to say 'oh yeah, Jesus wasn't born on Christmas...'. I think almost all adults know that. It's meant to be an acknowledgement of the event, not an exact marker.

I don't think there's anything wrong with conjecturing on a birthday for Jesus....it just doesn't matter that much to me if that makes sense.
 
Baal’s birthday December 25 th when the physical sun/ son in the sky dies( stops moving darkest days of the year) for three days and then is reborn as it starts to move again on the 25 th of December… Showing that instead of following spiritual light which is truth and knowledge one third of mankind follows and worships luciferean light or a physical light because the Romans who gave the world Jesus did not understand the original concepts or worse they did and enjoyed playing jokes on their slaves and subjects take your pick… There were 16 crucified Saviors all based on plagerizing the same story line and each had a different name Jesus just being the last in a line of many…
They should have realized he can't be the "ONLY" BEGOTTEN son of Yhwh who's begotten son is David, but the only begotten of Baal was the morning star soooooo.......
 
As many of you already know, most scholars do not believe that Jesus was born on December 25th. Why that date was chosen to celebrate the birth of Christ is a topic for another time, it's not what this thread is about.
When birthdays began to be celebrated, early Christians didn't have much to go on...other than a prevailing thought that Jesus had died on the same day he was conceived, the day before Passover, (our equivalent would be March 25. Nine months later...December 25). Birthdays of ordinary people were not commonly noted, let alone celebrated, so this was pure guesswork. I love that you shared what modern scholars and knowledge point to as more likely dates. September 11 especially strikes me. Thank you. And, Merry Christmas!
 
buttercup is like roadrunner. Not the one here, the other roadrunner.
Probably same person.
 
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Baal’s birthday December 25 th when the physical sun/ son in the sky dies( stops moving darkest days of the year) for three days and then is reborn as it starts to move again on the 25 th of December… Showing that instead of following spiritual light which is truth and knowledge one third of mankind follows and worships luciferean light or a physical light because the Romans who gave the world Jesus did not understand the original concepts or worse they did and enjoyed playing jokes on their slaves and subjects take your pick… There were 16 crucified Saviors all based on plagerizing the same story line and each had a different name Jesus just being the last in a line of many…
And this is why, AS A CHRISTIAN, I don't celebrate Christmas. I know in the minds of the pagan world the Roman Catholic Church represents "christianity" but it's NOT. It is the COUNTERFEIT who's founder was Simon the Sorcerer

Jesus' true Church is still a LITTLE FLOCK still persecuted by the world.
 
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While the Bible doesn't give a specific date for Jesus' birth, the scriptures do give us a number of clues.

really, wonder why not ... they could have just asked the three wise men. heavenly men who saved jesus from the scurrilous prevailing religion that otherwise might have been their immediate undoing being a child of love than bondage.

the truth is there is no date given as jesus was an itinerant as their parents and no one even knew they existed chosen by the heavens as exemplars till decades latter and made more certain than by the heavens or themselves than the narrative being concocted in the 4th century to write the makebelieve christian bible at the expense of their true natural wholesomeness.
 
And this is why, AS A CHRISTIAN, I don't celebrate Christmas. I know in the minds of the pagan world the Roman Catholic Church represents "christianity" but it's NOT. It is the COUNTERFEIT who's founder was Simon the Sorcerer

Jesus' true Church is still a LITTLE FLOCK still persecuted by the world.
I think Shimon is also a combined figure thus also given his new name Peter.
The stories in the 100bc era are similar, Shimon was friends with a figure named Yehua (Judas) who felt guilty about sending someone to their sentence of death. Shimon ben Shetach was reinstated as head priest(=shimon peter becomes head of the church) by Salome the wife of Jannaeus Alexander (100bc era).
 
I think Shimon is also a combined figure thus also given his new name Peter.
The stories in the 100bc era are similar, Shimon was friends with a figure named Yehua (Judas) who felt guilty about sending someone to their sentence of death. Shimon ben Shetach was reinstated as head priest(=shimon peter becomes head of the church) by Salome the wife of Jannaeus Alexander (100bc era).
It should be pointed out that many of the figures were combined and the time frames are off because of it and no one figure was singular we see this in the Saul/Paul ( Sol/sun , Paul/apple character for example as well…. Quite frankly there is historical precedence in this as the Romans were notorious for taking other cultures gods such as the Greeks and claiming them as their own and giving them Roman names it or titles..Even JC or Julias Caesar and JC Jesus Christ and on and on Eu tu Brutai( Brutus turning on his friend and Judas) etc etc..
 
Baal’s birthday December 25 th when the physical sun/ son in the sky dies( stops moving darkest days of the year) for three days and then is reborn as it starts to move again on the 25 th of December… Showing that instead of following spiritual light which is truth and knowledge one third of mankind follows and worships luciferean light or a physical light because the Romans who gave the world Jesus did not understand the original concepts or worse they did and enjoyed playing jokes on their slaves and subjects take your pick… There were 16 crucified Saviors all based on plagerizing the same story line and each had a different name Jesus just being the last in a line of many…
Fake news would be the “ good news” found in the gospels yes you are correct about that but not as you thought or wanted portrayed eh Buttercup…
 
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It should be pointed out that many of the figures were combined and the time frames are off because of it and no one figure was singular we see this in the Saul/Paul ( Sol/sun , Paul/apple character for example as well…. Quite frankly there is historical precedence in this as the Romans were notorious for taking other cultures gods such as the Greeks and claiming them as their own and giving them Roman names it or titles..Even JC or Julias Caesar and JC Jesus Christ and on and on Eu tu Brutai( Brutus turning on his friend and Judas) etc etc..
The Roman Empire PERSECUTED His followers, as did the Jews.

Later when Constantine "converted" to what became the Roman Catholic Church, they still persecuted God's True Church
 

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