herein lies your error....a person may believe that Jesus is their savior....therein they are saved.....they may also believe (incorrectly in my opinion) that there are other ways to be saved.......that does not mean they no longer believe Jesus is their savior and are not saved.....it just means they are saved persons with some inaccurate opinions........
I actually wasn't responding to you; I was responding to that guy with a turban over his head. But if you believe Jesus is God, resurrected the 3rd day to save us from our sins that whoever believeth Him will not perish but have everlasting life, and you are not Calvinist, amillennial, nor non-OSAS they I have nothing against you.
No that's not correct, for read Matt. 10.32,33 which says unless you confess who Jesus really is, He will deny you before the Father in heaven. We are told there is no other name under heaven which one can be saved. So the Bible says that and you say a person believes that God when they disagree with that God. I think you are confused. Worshiping a false Christ of universalism is just that. This isn't a matter of a born-again believer confused on some issues or mistaken about a few things. Really she is worshiping a false Christ and therefore, going to Hell. Since you defend this position I can be confident you are going to Hell also, for the Christ you profess is a false one, not Jesus of the Bible. We are talking about the very gospel of Salvation. Jesus says He is the only way. Give your life to that Jesus, the one and only way. No other name under heaven by which one can be saved. I gave my life to that Jesus. When someone says they have a Jesus that saves people all kinds of ways that is directly contradiction to the Jesus of the Bible, and so you and Emily are going to hell. It's easy to see if you are born-again, but you can't see.
you said Calvinists could not be saved......thus you were specifically referring to me...I am both Calvinist and amillennial......you have said I cannot be saved and you have said I am saved.....you are obviously confused.....
Luke 21.36 says unless you are watchful and prayerful you won't escape all these things that shall come to pass in the Tribulation. Escaping is not martyrdom. Matt. 24. is talking about the second coming from Matt. 24.32-35.36. Matt. 24.4-31 pertains to the Jews.
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Rev 3:10 isn't the first rapture. It IS the rapture (only one). ALL Believer's are ready because they have the Spirit. If you are referring to the Virgins parable; the second unready group were not even saved. The partial rapture theory conditions the privilege of rapture upon human works, and as such is a co-mingling of legalism with grace. As we know we are saved by faith and not of works.
Matthew 24 isn't speaking of the rapture but of the Second Coming. And Luke 21 is talking about a warning; true disciples should watch and pray and seperate themselves from the world and the unsaved.
Christians WILL be martyred during the trib, but these are TRIBULATION SAINTS; those who get saved AFTER the pretrib rapture by the preaching of the 144,000 and the 2 Prophets Enoch and Elijah.
ALL Believer's are included in the pretrib rapture. You have not proven 2 or more raptures. You mix legalism with grace which nullifies grace.
Luke 21.36 says unless you are watchful and prayerful you won't escape all these things that shall come to pass in the Tribulation. Escaping is not martyrdom. Matt. 24. is talking about the second coming from Matt. 24.32-35.36. Matt. 24.4-31 pertains to the Jews.
hi Parture; ok.. ready to reply
Rev 3:10 isn't the first rapture. It IS the rapture (only one). ALL Believer's are ready because they have the Spirit. If you are referring to the Virgins parable; the second unready group were not even saved. The partial rapture theory conditions the privilege of rapture upon human works, and as such is a co-mingling of legalism with grace. As we know we are saved by faith and not of works.
Matthew 24 isn't speaking of the rapture but of the Second Coming. And Luke 21 is talking about a warning; true disciples should watch and pray and seperate themselves from the world and the unsaved.
Christians WILL be martyred during the trib, but these are TRIBULATION SAINTS; those who get saved AFTER the pretrib rapture by the preaching of the 144,000 and the 2 Prophets Enoch and Elijah.
ALL Believer's are included in the pretrib rapture. You have not proven 2 or more raptures. You mix legalism with grace which nullifies grace.
The Church still leads people to Christ. The Holy Spirit is still present. He never goes away. What you are witnessing in Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10 which don't make sense if not a partial rapture is not a comparing of wheat with tares, but wheat with wheat, a firstfruits and a later harvest. It is true in all avenues of life, there are advanced parties and harbingers in every sphere. Readiness to be received is making yourself ready and appropriate works. Lots of Christians are lying on a bed of fornication, like a balloon tied down to the world unwilling to be released. When you read these verses you shut down your mind to the conditional statements to escape the Tribulation, thus you exclude yourself from this blessing and reward. Likewise, you thus, exclude yourself from returning with Christ as well to reign over the nations for 1000 years. But you are not even in the race, because you are a Calvinist and an amillennialist and reject the premillennial OSAS Arminian Jesus who graces us with the free choice. Whereas you believe in robots.Luke 21.36 says unless you are watchful and prayerful you won't escape all these things that shall come to pass in the Tribulation. Escaping is not martyrdom. Matt. 24. is talking about the second coming from Matt. 24.32-35.36. Matt. 24.4-31 pertains to the Jews.
hi Parture; ok.. ready to reply
Rev 3:10 isn't the first rapture. It IS the rapture (only one). ALL Believer's are ready because they have the Spirit. If you are referring to the Virgins parable; the second unready group were not even saved. The partial rapture theory conditions the privilege of rapture upon human works, and as such is a co-mingling of legalism with grace. As we know we are saved by faith and not of works.
Matthew 24 isn't speaking of the rapture but of the Second Coming. And Luke 21 is talking about a warning; true disciples should watch and pray and seperate themselves from the world and the unsaved.
Christians WILL be martyred during the trib, but these are TRIBULATION SAINTS; those who get saved AFTER the pretrib rapture by the preaching of the 144,000 and the 2 Prophets Enoch and Elijah.
ALL Believer's are included in the pretrib rapture. You have not proven 2 or more raptures. You mix legalism with grace which nullifies grace.
by interpreting two raptures you are saying that it depends on our WORKS. ALL believers are the Bride and have the Spirit. The purpose of the trib is to punish unbelievers and bring Israel back to Himself.
The Church still leads people to Christ. The Holy Spirit is still present. He never goes away. What you are witnessing in Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10 which don't make sense if not a partial rapture is not a comparing of wheat with tares, but wheat with wheat, a firstfruits and a later harvest. It is true in all avenues of life, there are advanced parties and harbingers in every sphere. Readiness to be received is making yourself ready and appropriate works. Lots of Christians are lying on a bed of fornication, like a balloon tied down to the world unwilling to be released. When you read these verses you shut down your mind to the conditional statements to escape the Tribulation, thus you exclude yourself from this blessing and reward. Likewise, you thus, exclude yourself from returning with Christ as well to reign over the nations for 1000 years. But you are not even in the race, because you are a Calvinist and an amillennialist and reject the premillennial OSAS Arminian Jesus who graces us with the free choice. Whereas you believe in robots.Luke 21.36 says unless you are watchful and prayerful you won't escape all these things that shall come to pass in the Tribulation. Escaping is not martyrdom. Matt. 24. is talking about the second coming from Matt. 24.32-35.36. Matt. 24.4-31 pertains to the Jews.
hi Parture; ok.. ready to reply
Rev 3:10 isn't the first rapture. It IS the rapture (only one). ALL Believer's are ready because they have the Spirit. If you are referring to the Virgins parable; the second unready group were not even saved. The partial rapture theory conditions the privilege of rapture upon human works, and as such is a co-mingling of legalism with grace. As we know we are saved by faith and not of works.
Matthew 24 isn't speaking of the rapture but of the Second Coming. And Luke 21 is talking about a warning; true disciples should watch and pray and seperate themselves from the world and the unsaved.
Christians WILL be martyred during the trib, but these are TRIBULATION SAINTS; those who get saved AFTER the pretrib rapture by the preaching of the 144,000 and the 2 Prophets Enoch and Elijah.
ALL Believer's are included in the pretrib rapture. You have not proven 2 or more raptures. You mix legalism with grace which nullifies grace.
by interpreting two raptures you are saying that it depends on our WORKS. ALL believers are the Bride and have the Spirit. The purpose of the trib is to punish unbelievers and bring Israel back to Himself.
The Church still leads people to Christ. The Holy Spirit is still present. He never goes away. What you are witnessing in Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10 which don't make sense if not a partial rapture is not a comparing of wheat with tares, but wheat with wheat, a firstfruits and a later harvest. It is true in all avenues of life, there are advanced parties and harbingers in every sphere. Readiness to be received is making yourself ready and appropriate works. Lots of Christians are lying on a bed of fornication, like a balloon tied down to the world unwilling to be released. When you read these verses you shut down your mind to the conditional statements to escape the Tribulation, thus you exclude yourself from this blessing and reward. Likewise, you thus, exclude yourself from returning with Christ as well to reign over the nations for 1000 years. But you are not even in the race, because you are a Calvinist and an amillennialist and reject the premillennial OSAS Arminian Jesus who graces us with the free choice. Whereas you believe in robots.Luke 21.36 says unless you are watchful and prayerful you won't escape all these things that shall come to pass in the Tribulation. Escaping is not martyrdom. Matt. 24. is talking about the second coming from Matt. 24.32-35.36. Matt. 24.4-31 pertains to the Jews.
hi Parture; ok.. ready to reply
Rev 3:10 isn't the first rapture. It IS the rapture (only one). ALL Believer's are ready because they have the Spirit. If you are referring to the Virgins parable; the second unready group were not even saved. The partial rapture theory conditions the privilege of rapture upon human works, and as such is a co-mingling of legalism with grace. As we know we are saved by faith and not of works.
Matthew 24 isn't speaking of the rapture but of the Second Coming. And Luke 21 is talking about a warning; true disciples should watch and pray and seperate themselves from the world and the unsaved.
Christians WILL be martyred during the trib, but these are TRIBULATION SAINTS; those who get saved AFTER the pretrib rapture by the preaching of the 144,000 and the 2 Prophets Enoch and Elijah.
ALL Believer's are included in the pretrib rapture. You have not proven 2 or more raptures. You mix legalism with grace which nullifies grace.
by interpreting two raptures you are saying that it depends on our WORKS. ALL believers are the Bride and have the Spirit. The purpose of the trib is to punish unbelievers and bring Israel back to Himself.
There is much overcoming to do once one gets saved. It is not as though you are never selfish again and never sin again. I never said salvation is conditional on readiness. I said the first rapture is conditional on readiness. What that means is you have a lot to overcome, but pridefully you don't think you do.
