TAPS- Why America is Not Coming Back

[racewright]

Ah, so now we know why racewright is kissing rich ass so profusely. He must, in order to be able to charge them outlandish prices for his services. Well, whatever floats your boat.

But those are mansions. McMansions are the cheap large houses built on small lots for the upper middle class that aspire to look as if they are wealthy. Quite often with quality of workmanship that is less than one finds in manufactured homes.

Hell yea only difference is my as kissing gets me and many paid--how did all the Hip Hoppers do kissing Obamas ass. Only took care of unions and you know why ,thats were the money is and plenty of union bosses have Mcmansions.

It is obvious you have never been even remotely close to a Mc mansion Or I guess Mcmansions are Macdonald Homes fast food type . Well my idea of rich and your idea of rich are defiantly different. MANSIONS ARE EXTREAMLY WELL BUILD AND NEVER COMPLETED IN LESS THAN A YEAR. Rich have Mansions not Mcmansions.
So we can go under the premise that the owners of Macdonald mansions are the wealthy people who are screwing you. Hum like college professors, retired chiefs of police ,senators,congressman,supertendants of school districts ..you mean those Owners of Macdonald mansions.
Mr gates lives in a mansion,Warren Buffet lives in a Mansion,Leon Black Lives in a Mansion,foruner of Google lives in a Mansion,also Starbuck founder and guess what in the history of the world these people have donated to more charities' because they are rich (my def not yours) You know the reason they donate so much (besides the fact they are good people) its because they take a tax deduction and then distribute the way they want and not the government.

 

[Stephanie]

I posted this as a separate thread but it fits with the op article and topic of it..

SNIP:
The Last Generation of the West and the Thin Strand of Civilization
article at with comments
Works and Days » The Last Generation of the West and the Thin Strand of Civilization

 

[Bfgrn]

We Are Not Coming Back
Please take a moment to digest this provocative article by a Jewish Rabbifrom Teaneck , N.J.
It is far and away the most succinct and thoughtful explanation of how our nation is changing. The article appeared in The Israel National News, and is directed to Jewish readership. 70% of American Jews vote as Democrats. The Rabbi has some interesting comments in that regard.

Rabbi Steven Pruzansky is the spiritual leader of Congregation Bnai Yeshurun in Teaneck, New Jersey
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"The most charitable way of explaining the election results of 2012 is that Americans voted for the status quo - for the incumbent President and for a divided Congress. They must enjoy gridlock, partisanship, incompetence, economic stagnation and avoidance of responsibility. And fewer people voted.

But as we awake from the nightmare, it is important to eschew the facile explanations for the Romney defeat that will prevail among the chattering classes. Romney did not lose because of the effects of Hurricane Sandy that devastated this area, nor did he lose because he ran a poor campaign, nor did he lose because the Republicans could have chosen better candidates, nor did he lose because Obama benefited from a slight uptick in the economy due to the business cycle.

Romney lost because he didn't get enough votes to win.

That might seem obvious, but not for the obvious reasons. Romney lost because the conservative virtues - the traditional American virtues – of
Liberty, hard work, free enterprise, private initiative and aspirations to moral greatness - no longer inspire or animate a majority of the electorate.

The simplest reason why Romney lost was because it is impossible to compete against free stuff.

Every businessman knows this; that is why the "loss leader" or the giveaway is such a powerful marketing tool. Obama's America is one in which free stuff is given away: the adults among the 47,000,000 on food stamps clearly recognized for whom they should vote, and so they did, by the tens of millions; those who - courtesy of Obama - receive two full years of unemployment benefits (which, of course, both disincentivizes looking for work and also motivates people to work off the books while collecting their windfall) surely know for whom to vote. The lure of free stuff is irresistible.

The defining moment of the whole campaign was the revelation of the secretly-recorded video in which Romney acknowledged the difficulty of winning an election in which "47% of the people" start off against him because they pay no taxes and just receive money - "free stuff" - from the government.

Almost half of the population has no skin in the game - they don't care about high taxes, promoting business, or creating jobs, nor do they care that the money for their free stuff is being borrowed from their children
And from the Chinese.

They just want the free stuff that comes their way at someone else's expense. In the end, that 47% leaves very little margin for error for any Republican, and does not bode well for the future.

It is impossible to imagine a conservative candidate winning against such overwhelming odds. People do vote their pocketbooks. In essence, the people vote for a Congress who will not raise their taxes, and for a President who will give them free stuff, never mind who has to pay for it.

That engenders the second reason why Romney lost: the inescapable conclusion that the electorate is ignorant and uninformed. Indeed, it does not pay to be an informed voter, because most other voters - the clear majority – are unintelligent and easily swayed by emotion and raw populism. That is the indelicate way of saying that too many people vote with their hearts and not their heads. That is why Obama did not have to produce a second term agenda, or even defend his first-term record. He needed only to portray Mitt Romney as a rapacious capitalist who throws elderly women over a cliff, when he is not just snatching away their cancer medication, while starving the poor and cutting taxes for the rich.

During his 1956 presidential campaign, a woman called out to Adlai Stevenson: "Senator, you have the vote of every thinking person!" Stevenson called back: "That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!"
Truer words were never spoken.

Obama could get away with saying that "Romney wants the rich to play by a different set of rules" - without ever defining what those different rules were; with saying that the "rich should pay their fair share" - without ever defining what a "fair share" is; with saying that Romney wants the poor, elderly and sick to "fend for themselves" - without even acknowledging that all these government programs are going bankrupt, their current insolvency only papered over by deficit spending.

Similarly, Obama (or his surrogates) could hint to blacks that a Romney victory would lead them back into chains and proclaim to women that their abortions and birth control would be taken away.. He could appeal to Hispanics that Romney would have them all arrested and shipped to Mexico and unabashedly state that he will not enforce the current immigration laws. He could espouse the furtherance of the incestuous relationship between governments and unions - in which politicians ply the unions with public money, in exchange for which the unions provide the politicians with votes, in exchange for which the politicians provide more money and the unions provide more votes, etc., even though the money is gone.

Obama also knows that the electorate has changed - that whites will soon be a minority in America (they're already a minority in California) and that the new immigrants to the US are primarily from the Third World and do not share the traditional American values that attracted immigrants in the 19th and 20th centuries. It is a different world, and a different America . Obama is part of that different America , knows it, and knows how to tap into it. That is why he won.

Obama also proved again that negative advertising works, invective sells, and harsh personal attacks succeed. That Romney never engaged in such diatribes points to his essential goodness as a person; his "negative ads" were simple facts, never personal abuse - facts about high unemployment,
lower take-home pay, a loss of American power and prestige abroad, a lack of leadership, etc. As a politician, though, Romney failed because he did not embrace the devil's bargain of making unsustainable promises.

It turned out that it was not possible for Romney and Ryan - people of substance, depth and ideas - to compete with the shallow populism and platitudes of their opponents. Obama mastered the politics of envy – of class warfare - never reaching out to Americans as such but to individual groups, and cobbling together a winning majority from these minority groups. If an Obama could not be defeated - with his record and his vision of America , in which free stuff seduces voters - it is hard to envision any change in the future.

The road to Hillary Clinton in 2016 and to a European-socialist economy - those very economies that are collapsing today in Europe - is paved.

For Jews, mostly assimilated anyway and staunch Democrats, the results demonstrate again that liberalism is their Torah. Almost 70% voted for a
president widely perceived by Israelis and most committed Jews as hostile to Israel . They voted to secure Obama's future at America 's expense and at Israel 's expense - in effect, preferring Obama to Netanyahu by a wide margin.

A dangerous time is ahead. Under present circumstances, it is inconceivable that the US will take any aggressive action against Iran and will more
likely thwart any Israeli initiative. The US will preach the importance of negotiations up until the production of the first Iranian nuclear weapon - and then state that the world must learn to live with this new reality.

But this election should be a wake-up call to Jews. There is no permanent empire, nor is there an enduring haven for Jews anywhere in the exile. The American empire began to decline in 2007, and the deterioration has been exacerbated in the last five years. This election only hastens that decline.
Society is permeated with sloth, greed, envy and materialistic excess. It has lost its moorings and its moral foundations.. The takers outnumber the givers, and that will only increase in years to come.

The "Occupy" riots across this country in the last two years were mere dress rehearsals for what lies ahead - years of unrest sparked by the increasing discontent of the unsuccessful who want to seize the fruits and the bounty of the successful, and do not appreciate the slow pace of redistribution.

If this election proves one thing, it is that the Old America is gone. And, sad for the world, it is not coming back."

THIS is exactly why the Republican party is heading for extinction. The hard working American electorate is not buying the ignorant 'maker' vs 'taker' diatribe.

They are working more hours for less pay. They are struggling to make ends meet. And the America worker is NOT the problem.

WHY Romney lost...

Mitten's remarks about 47 percent of the country being, essentially, leeches on society, shows not a dislike of the public policy but a contempt for the actual people who receive those benefits.

If there is a citizenry on this planet that does NOT have an entitlement mentality, it is the American people. American workers take less vacation time than any other people. American workers take pride in the quality of their work and their work ethic.

What Romney said is a gross insult and reveals a dangerous mindset. He reeks of contempt for middle class working people and the poor.

Who are the 47%?

Federal budget and Census data show that, in 2010, 91 percent of the benefit dollars from entitlement and other mandatory programs went to the elderly (people 65 and over), the seriously disabled, and members of working households. People who are neither elderly nor disabled — and do not live in a working household — received only 9 percent of the benefits.

Moreover, the vast bulk of that 9 percent goes for medical care, unemployment insurance benefits (which individuals must have a significant work history to receive), Social Security survivor benefits for the children and spouses of deceased workers, and Social Security benefits for retirees between ages 62 and 64. Seven out of the 9 percentage points go for one of these four purposes.

80 percent of the workforce has seen their wages decline in real terms over the last quarter-century, and the average household has seen 40 percent of its wealth disappear during the Great Recession. Through it all, families never asked for a handout from anyone, especially Washington. They were left to go on their own, working harder, squeezing nickels, and taking care of themselves. But their economic boats have been taking on water for years, and now the crisis has swamped millions of middle class families. ref ref

"Labor is the United States. The men and women, who with their minds, their hearts and hands, create the wealth that is shared in this country—they are America."
President Dwight D. Eisenhower

what the hell did the article have to do with the Repulican party?
and the video of Romney is not what you on the left get to say it was...People can make up their own minds what he meant by it.. Just like the video of Obama saying a lot of people are, greedy bible thumpers bitterly clinging to their guns
all you have here is some long winded left wing talking points spew...Nothing about the topic of the article

Maybe you can find an adult to read the OP and explain it to you...

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

That's incorrect.

Many of the loan agents actually lied to get their clients loans.

One of the things that the new regulations put an end to was that practice.

Which has you folks up in arms..

- Only a dumbass lets a loan officer convince them they have more money than they do.

-Geaux

Well no.

Most of these applications were submitted without perusal by the client.

Additionally "balloon payments" where not fully explained.

This is part of the reason why getting rid of Glass Steagall was a terrible idea.

But no conservative wants to see that come back. Fact is, they are fighting the Volcker Rule as well.

Like he said...only a dumb ass falls for shit like that.

 

[Sallow]

- Only a dumbass lets a loan officer convince them they have more money than they do.

-Geaux

Well no.

Most of these applications were submitted without perusal by the client.

Additionally "balloon payments" where not fully explained.

This is part of the reason why getting rid of Glass Steagall was a terrible idea.

But no conservative wants to see that come back. Fact is, they are fighting the Volcker Rule as well.

Like he said...only a dumb ass falls for shit like that.

"Dumb asses" fall for con jobs all the time.

Should those be legal as well?

 

[racewright]

Well no.

Most of these applications were submitted without perusal by the client.

Additionally "balloon payments" where not fully explained.

This is part of the reason why getting rid of Glass Steagall was a terrible idea.

But no conservative wants to see that come back. Fact is, they are fighting the Volcker Rule as well.

Like he said...only a dumb ass falls for shit like that.

"Dumb asses" fall for con jobs all the time.

Should those be legal as well?

The government should let everyone have an interest free mortgage even if they do not qualify.
All sports figures should get the same pay as well as all entertainers.
If you want equality in pay and wealth redistrubtion then government should have all the money and pay everyone the same WAIT A MINUITE THATS WHATS HAPPENING SORRY I FORGOT

Wow ballgames are gonna suck

 

[Indeependent]

Like he said...only a dumb ass falls for shit like that.

"Dumb asses" fall for con jobs all the time.

Should those be legal as well?

The government should let everyone have an interest free mortgage even if they do not qualify.
All sports figures should get the same pay as well as all entertainers.
If you want equality in pay and wealth redistrubtion then government should have all the money and pay everyone the same WAIT A MINUITE THATS WHATS HAPPENING SORRY I FORGOTj

Wow ballgames are gonna suck

What does that to do with lending a bus driver 600K?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Interesting article. The author does makes some good points.

IMO


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No, he doesn't.

Romney and Ryan and the GOP work on the philosophy of "I've Got Mine, Fuck You".

That kind of philosophy died in September 2008, when we all found out how close most of us are to the abyss.

Probably when we saw that despite all our hard work, we found ourselves with busted 401K's and underwater mortgages and reduced salaries while the 1% got bailouts and bonuses.

And then we caught Romney talking to a bunch of 1%ers who paid more for a single plate than most of us make in a year talk about how half of us are "moochers". A guy who pays 11% tax on his wealth while the rest of us are paying more.

The only thing that got Romney as close as he was is that a lot of you dumb rednecks getting shat upon by the 1% are too racist and religious to realize you are being crapped on.

Actually, ones with under water mortgages have no one to blame but themselves. But those days are gone as the article states

-Geaux

Its not an article.

Its an opinion.

There's a difference.

Joe is right. Wake up and realize you're being used. Quit voting against your own best interests, the best interests of your family and the best interests of the country.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

 

[Sallow]

Like he said...only a dumb ass falls for shit like that.

"Dumb asses" fall for con jobs all the time.

Should those be legal as well?

The government should let everyone have an interest free mortgage even if they do not qualify.
All sports figures should get the same pay as well as all entertainers.
If you want equality in pay and wealth redistrubtion then government should have all the money and pay everyone the same WAIT A MINUITE THATS WHATS HAPPENING SORRY I FORGOT

Wow ballgames are gonna suck

Does the term "non-sequitur" ever come up in your lexicon?

 

[Stephanie]

Nice words, too bad he didn't do it for his own people

But you on the left like empty words, like how Obama is going to stop the seas rising and he's going to heal thy planet...He's also going to give everyone in the country unicorns because he has that magic money tree he plucks the money off

and how that fits in the topic of this thread go figure

 

[editec]

This man's POV is nothing but hateful nonsense.

Americans aren't not not working because there's free stuff.

They're not working because the masters are investing in manufacturing overseas and they cannot find adaquate work to support themselves.

Rabbi?

That's supposed to mean teacher not apologist for the MASTERS.

 

[Stephanie]

This man's POV is nothing but hateful nonsense.

Americans aren't not not working because there's free stuff.

They're not working because the masters are investing in manufacturing overseas and they cannot find adaquate work to support themselves.

Rabbi?

That's supposed to mean teacher not apologist for the MASTERS.

you just cherry picked one sentence and rolled with that
not like you usually

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Well no.

Most of these applications were submitted without perusal by the client.

Additionally "balloon payments" where not fully explained.

This is part of the reason why getting rid of Glass Steagall was a terrible idea.

But no conservative wants to see that come back. Fact is, they are fighting the Volcker Rule as well.

Like he said...only a dumb ass falls for shit like that.

"Dumb asses" fall for con jobs all the time.

Should those be legal as well?

If you cant do basic math? Maybe you should bring along someone who can. Or possibly you're not smart enough to be a homeowner.
Just sayin.....

 

[Dutch]

Silly Rabbi. Where do they get the idea that the "47%" vote as a bloc only for Democrats? Has he ever been to Mississippi, Alabama, or Kentucky?

 

[zeke]

The plutocrats have enjoyed and will continue to enjoy great success.
A declining standard of living has been coming on for some time now.

Still better to live under our plutocrats than in some other countries.

The better question in my mind is why we have such a hard time accepting the reality of our situation.
Plutocrats have always been around, always will be. We in this country fought the good fight for a short time. We had populists that stood up for the working man. We had unions that stood up for the working man.

And we have watched as those organizations and people have been shut up and shut out of how things are run.

And we have millions of Americans thoroughly convinced that allowing plutocrats to have their way with us is a fine thing for Americans to do.

Oh well. Ain't nothing gonna change. Except for our standard of living going down.

But nothing will harm the plutocrats. They won't allow it.

 

[SmedlyButler]

Your graph seems to illustrate the notion that the American workers standard of living HAD to fall to compete with Third World sweatshops. Now I know that statement is an over-simplification of the effects of globalization. However the Reagan years did coincide with a screeching halt to the progress of the middle class where most working people were either firmly entrenched or close to entering. And we know that corporations and multi-nationals didn't have to tighten their belts much, their lobbyists made sure the laws were stacked in their favor. Class warfare? Not much of a war when one side has all the weapons.
Didn't thismake you scratch your head?

"Wal-Mart holds food drive for it's own employees"
"Please donate food items so associates in need can enjoy Thanksgiving dinner," reads a sign accompanied by several plastic bins.

The Cleveland Plain Dealer first reported on the food drive, which has sparked outrage in the area.

"That Wal-Mart would have the audacity to ask low-wage workers to donate food to other low-wage workers -- to me, it is a moral outrage," Norma Mills, a customer at the store, told The Plain Dealer.


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Global Assembly lines (enabled by dramatically expanded communications due to computers), largely using women’s labor, increasingly dominate patterns of production of clothing and manufactured goods
Surplus petrodollars fuel wise and unwise spending/borrowing spree in developing countries
1 9 7 5
Advances in computers, fiber optics, satellites, and miniaturized electronics radically alter production and distribution of goods and services and patterns of global investment
1 9 8 0
Reagan and Thatcher usher in fundamentalist free market government and free market global economic strategies
President Reagan breaks the air controllers strike, opening an era of diminishing power of unions

 

[SmedlyButler]

zeke hitting the nail on the head.

The plutocrats have enjoyed and will continue to enjoy great success.
A declining standard of living has been coming on for some time now.

Still better to live under our plutocrats than in some other countries.

The better question in my mind is why we have such a hard time accepting the reality of our situation.
Plutocrats have always been around, always will be. We in this country fought the good fight for a short time. We had populists that stood up for the working man. We had unions that stood up for the working man.

And we have watched as those organizations and people have been shut up and shut out of how things are run.

And we have millions of Americans thoroughly convinced that allowing plutocrats to have their way with us is a fine thing for Americans to do.

Oh well. Ain't nothing gonna change. Except for our standard of living going down.

But nothing will harm the plutocrats. They won't allow it.

 

[norwegen]

The old America was based on a few rich people exploiting everyone else... and using race and religion to keep us fighting amongst ourselves.

Good riddance.

Exactly.

What conservatives mourn:

-The loss of the "right" of white Americans to own black Americans.
-The Dominance of European White Christian Males over the American Culture.
-The notion that everyone "knew their place".

Too bad..fools.

Well, we can rule Sallow out as one who knows conservatism.

 

[Bluedog]

No, he doesn't.



Romney and Ryan and the GOP work on the philosophy of "I've Got Mine, Fuck You".



That kind of philosophy died in September 2008, when we all found out how close most of us are to the abyss.



Probably when we saw that despite all our hard work, we found ourselves with busted 401K's and underwater mortgages and reduced salaries while the 1% got bailouts and bonuses.



And then we caught Romney talking to a bunch of 1%ers who paid more for a single plate than most of us make in a year talk about how half of us are "moochers". A guy who pays 11% tax on his wealth while the rest of us are paying more.



The only thing that got Romney as close as he was is that a lot of you dumb rednecks getting shat upon by the 1% are too racist and religious to realize you are being crapped on.

Actually, ones with under water mortgages have no one to blame but themselves. But those days are gone as the article states



-Geaux

Its not an article.



Its an opinion.



There's a difference.



Joe is right. Wake up and realize you're being used. Quit voting against your own best interests, the best interests of your family and the best interests of the country.

That's the point the author makes about people voting for their own best interests. Why are his observations incorrect?


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