TAPS- Why America is Not Coming Back

[JoeB131]

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You are a shinning example of what the OP is all about.

Romny was is 100 percent correct. you are 100 percent wrong. The only people that come close to shitting on me is people like yourself,intolerant,bigoted assholes one and all.

You fucks continue the defame Romny to this day,over his comments,and as sure as the sun come up in the east,the same things were are being said at Dem fundraisers,but ass hats like yourself,can't won't self examine,your all a bunch of fucking hypocritical dumb ass's

It would be nice if you could spell Romney's name.

Romney proved that he just didn't get what the problem was, so I really didn't care about his solution.

The problem is not that 47% don't pay taxes (incidently, something that was completely wrong.)

The problem is that the middle class was gutted to make people like himself and his rich buddies richer.

And here's the key thing. All the way up until 2008, I voted Republican.

Not anymore, baby. Not until they get a clue that America has to work for people other than the rich.

The rich are going to be fine, really.

 

[Unkotare]

America isn't going away. We have weathered worse storms than obama. He will be back to smoking pot and running smaller scams in Chicago eventually. We shall overcome. Not without a cost, but nonetheless...

 

[Stephanie]

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You are a shinning example of what the OP is all about.

Romny was is 100 percent correct. you are 100 percent wrong. The only people that come close to shitting on me is people like yourself,intolerant,bigoted assholes one and all.

You fucks continue the defame Romny to this day,over his comments,and as sure as the sun come up in the east,the same things were are being said at Dem fundraisers,but ass hats like yourself,can't won't self examine,your all a bunch of fucking hypocritical dumb ass's

It would be nice if you could spell Romney's name.

Romney proved that he just didn't get what the problem was, so I really didn't care about his solution.

The problem is not that 47% don't pay taxes (incidently, something that was completely wrong.)

The problem is that the middle class was gutted to make people like himself and his rich buddies richer.

And here's the key thing. All the way up until 2008, I voted Republican.

Not anymore, baby. Not until they get a clue that America has to work for people other than the rich.

The rich are going to be fine, really.

well if that's the case then you can include all the Democrat party...so why don't you?

 

[JoeB131]

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Yea like Fannie may and Freddie Mack the largest home mortgage organization's ever
and we all know who controlled them a big fat gay prick from Mass.

You are one Jealous fool if you spent half as much time complaining about the rich on trying to be rich you would already have a Mcmansion. By the way when a Mcmansion is built it provides many Blue color jobs and for several years. Trickle down

The government's management of Fannie and Freddie was awful.

But it wasn't because Barney Frank was gay, dude.

Frankly, I'm not jealous of the rich. I have no desire to own a McMansion. I simply think that our economic policy should favor the working man, not the rich.

The Rich are going to be just fine.

 

[Unkotare]

What conservatives mourn:

-The loss of the "right" of white Americans to own black Americans..

democrats still haven't gotten over having that "right" taken from them, Swallow. Taken from you and your ilk at quite a cost, I might add.

 

[Geaux4it]

That's incorrect.

Many of the loan agents actually lied to get their clients loans.

One of the things that the new regulations put an end to was that practice.

Which has you folks up in arms..

- Only a dumbass lets a loan officer convince them they have more money than they do.

-Geaux

Well no.

Most of these applications were submitted without perusal by the client.

Additionally "balloon payments" where not fully explained.

This is part of the reason why getting rid of Glass Steagall was a terrible idea.

But no conservative wants to see that come back. Fact is, they are fighting the Volcker Rule as well.

Gave this more thought today and yes.. in escrow I did indeed sign a multiple page document that enumerated every single payment I was expected to make over the term of the loan. 30 payments it was for X or, same followed by a balloon payment etc.

You sign the papers stating you agree to the terms. And for most folks, regardless of document, read it before they sign it. However, it is popular to state you need to sign something to know what's in it.

-Geaux

 

[JoeB131]

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Yes ... The chart is reality.

Now look up the Japanese terms "Muda" and "Toyotism" ... Then how they relate to Lean Manufacturing and Continuous Improvement.
At that point you may actually understand how executives and the decisions they make increase productivity without increasing labor demands.

You are correct about American employees working more efficiently ... But it wasn't because they woke up one morning and decided to.
The increase in productivity also relies on the massive reduction of inefficiency and waste throughout the manufacturing process.
Most of the changes that affect overall productivity result from actions at the upper levels ... And have nothing to do with the amount of labor at the ground level.

If a company properly implements JIT (Just In Time) techniques ... They can eliminate over production costs, as well as certain warehousing and wasted resource costs.
Outside of training ... It doesn't require the employee to work any harder ... And in most cases reduces their workload altogether.

So when you accurately attach the increase in productivity to the need for salary increase ... Then why get pissed off about paying the people who change the structure of the business increasing productivity the money they earn?

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are you sniffing your own farts again.

For the record, I work in Manufacturing, I'm Six Sigma and APICS qualified, so don't come trying to pretend you understand this shit.

The reality is, we have a work force that is working harder than ever, is more stressed out than ever, and they aren't seeing the rewards.

The fuckheads in charge do not deserve the slice of the rewards they are taking. Period.

And if you want to talk about the Japanese, fine. Let's go there.

Socialized medicine,
High Taxes on the rich.
Unions have a say in who the CEO is.
CEO's do not make 9, 8 or 7 figures.

I'm all for emulating the Japanese. Well, maybe not the tentacle porn, but other than that.

 

[JoeB131]

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JoeB is a Marxist.

No, asshole, I'm a pragmatist.

I realize the reason why the Marxists won in those countries and got working folks to line up the wealthy against walls and shoot them is because the wealthy in those countries went too far.

I realize that there is a need for the wealthy. I even understand that there is a need for a concentration of wealth.

I also understand what we've done in this country is insane. We've taken the middle class that created the greatest prosperity in human history and we gutted it.

 

[Bfgrn]

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Yea like Fannie may and Freddie Mack the largest home mortgage organization's ever
and we all know who controlled them a big fat gay prick from Mass.

You are one Jealous fool if you spent half as much time complaining about the rich on trying to be rich you would already have a Mcmansion. By the way when a Mcmansion is built it provides many Blue color jobs and for several years. Trickle down

The government's management of Fannie and Freddie was awful.

But it wasn't because Barney Frank was gay, dude.

Frankly, I'm not jealous of the rich. I have no desire to own a McMansion. I simply think that our economic policy should favor the working man, not the rich.

The Rich are going to be just fine.

We once had Presidents who believed the same thing...

"Labor is the United States. The men and women, who with their minds, their hearts and hands, create the wealth that is shared in this country—they are America."
President Dwight D. Eisenhower

"Harry Truman once said, 'There are 14 or 15 million Americans who have the resources to have representatives in Washington to protect their interests, and that the interests of the great mass of the other people - the 150 or 160 million - is the responsibility of the president of the United States, and I propose to fulfill it.'"
President John F. Kennedy

 

[BlackSand]

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Yes ... The chart is reality.

Now look up the Japanese terms "Muda" and "Toyotism" ... Then how they relate to Lean Manufacturing and Continuous Improvement.
At that point you may actually understand how executives and the decisions they make increase productivity without increasing labor demands.

You are correct about American employees working more efficiently ... But it wasn't because they woke up one morning and decided to.
The increase in productivity also relies on the massive reduction of inefficiency and waste throughout the manufacturing process.
Most of the changes that affect overall productivity result from actions at the upper levels ... And have nothing to do with the amount of labor at the ground level.

If a company properly implements JIT (Just In Time) techniques ... They can eliminate over production costs, as well as certain warehousing and wasted resource costs.
Outside of training ... It doesn't require the employee to work any harder ... And in most cases reduces their workload altogether.

So when you accurately attach the increase in productivity to the need for salary increase ... Then why get pissed off about paying the people who change the structure of the business increasing productivity the money they earn?

.

are you sniffing your own farts again.

For the record, I work in Manufacturing, I'm Six Sigma and APICS qualified, so don't come trying to pretend you understand this shit.

The reality is, we have a work force that is working harder than ever, is more stressed out than ever, and they aren't seeing the rewards.

The fuckheads in charge do not deserve the slice of the rewards they are taking. Period.

And if you want to talk about the Japanese, fine. Let's go there.

Socialized medicine,
High Taxes on the rich.
Unions have a say in who the CEO is.
CEO's do not make 9, 8 or 7 figures.

I'm all for emulating the Japanese. Well, maybe not the tentacle porn, but other than that.

I have been Six Sigma, ASQ Certified, RABSQA Certified, CE Trademarking Certified ... Worked with Corporations from building materials to pharmaceuticals here and overseas as a Quality Consultant.

Your bullshit just doesn't fly peanut ... You must have lost your copy of "Who Moved The Cheese".

Edit:
I have seen more employees advance from hourly to salary through implementation of new processes and procedures than through any other means of replacement or promotion.
Talking about life changing position moves that help those employees in ways their co-workers can only dream about ... That's what happens when you apply yourself and make it happen.

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[Papageorgio]

WRONG !!

Romney and Ryan and the GOP work on the philosophy of "I've Got Mine, i worked my ass off to get it, now get off your lazy asses and welfare, get a job. ...

Romney was born with a silver rolodex in his hands.

The man never had to worry about meeting a mortgage payment in his life.

As Rick Perry observed, the only time Mitt Romney had to worry about a pink slip is when he wondered if he would run out of them to hand out to other people.

And when he walked out there talking about how he liked to fire people and how half of us were moochers, we kicked his worthless Mormon Ass back to Utah where it belonged.

so what?
You have seven out of the top richest people in Congress that are Democrat and you don't seem to have a problem with them?
you hated Romney we all know that...so please don't put us through your BS about him again and try to stay on the topic of the tread, which is WE America are never coming back

You got it! They love John Kerry Heinz, that didn't work for his money, they worship Ted Kennedy, who never worried about a mortgage, his biggest concern was making sure he didn't spend time in the slammer like his cousin. You don't say anything about Barney Frank, who helped his boyfriend run a brothel and helped destroy Fannie and Freddie.

The Democrats want to keep the poor, poor while the rich get the breaks and the corporate welfare.

 

[JoeB131]

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I have been Six Sigma, ASQ Certified, RABSQA Certified, CE Trademarking Certified ... Worked with Corporations from building materials to pharmaceuticals here and overseas as a Quality Consultant.

Your bullshit just doesn't fly peanut ... You must have lost your copy of "Who Moved The Cheese".

Edit:
I have seen more employees advance from hourly to salary through implementation of new processes and procedures than through any other means of replacement or promotion.
Talking about life changing position moves that help those employees in ways their co-workers can only dream about ... That's what happens when you apply yourself and make it happen.

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I moved from hourly to Salary. That's just another way they rip you off.

I was much better off when I was on hourly.

Sorry, snookums, you can bend over and kiss the man's ass all day, but those of us with sense realize the guy in the corner office isn't your friend, and when he slaps you on the back, he's just looking for a place to stick a knife.

It's a lesson it took me far too long to learn.

 

[JoeB131]

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You got it! They love John Kerry Heinz, that didn't work for his money, they worship Ted Kennedy, who never worried about a mortgage, his biggest concern was making sure he didn't spend time in the slammer like his cousin. You don't say anything about Barney Frank, who helped his boyfriend run a brothel and helped destroy Fannie and Freddie.

The Democrats want to keep the poor, poor while the rich get the breaks and the corporate welfare.

Kerry and Kennedy used their wealth to help the working guy.

Romney used his to fuck the working guy over. And then he bragged, "I liked to fire people" and expounded on how wonderful it was that he had 120 Chinese babes behind barbed wire working to make him richer.

Oh, yeah, and with that Avatar, do you really want to spend time obsessing over Barney Frank's sex life?

 

[Geaux4it]

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I have been Six Sigma, ASQ Certified, RABSQA Certified, CE Trademarking Certified ... Worked with Corporations from building materials to pharmaceuticals here and overseas as a Quality Consultant.

Your bullshit just doesn't fly peanut ... You must have lost your copy of "Who Moved The Cheese".

Edit:
I have seen more employees advance from hourly to salary through implementation of new processes and procedures than through any other means of replacement or promotion.
Talking about life changing position moves that help those employees in ways their co-workers can only dream about ... That's what happens when you apply yourself and make it happen.

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I moved from hourly to Salary. That's just another way they rip you off.

I was much better off when I was on hourly.

Sorry, snookums, you can bend over and kiss the man's ass all day, but those of us with sense realize the guy in the corner office isn't your friend, and when he slaps you on the back, he's just looking for a place to stick a knife.

It's a lesson it took me far too long to learn.

Ah, the entitled.

-Geaux

 

[SteadyMercury]

A declining standard of living has been coming on for some time now.

Can you outline exactly how the standard of living has declined?

There is so much crap we now take for granted, things that would be rich man's toys now the common man's necessity. When I see workers at Burger King filling my order with a smart phones sticking out of their back pockets I really wonder how much of a decline our society is suffering.

 

[Papageorgio]

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You got it! They love John Kerry Heinz, that didn't work for his money, they worship Ted Kennedy, who never worried about a mortgage, his biggest concern was making sure he didn't spend time in the slammer like his cousin. You don't say anything about Barney Frank, who helped his boyfriend run a brothel and helped destroy Fannie and Freddie.

The Democrats want to keep the poor, poor while the rich get the breaks and the corporate welfare.

Kerry and Kennedy used their wealth to help the working guy.

Romney used his to fuck the working guy over. And then he bragged, "I liked to fire people" and expounded on how wonderful it was that he had 120 Chinese babes behind barbed wire working to make him richer.

Oh, yeah, and with that Avatar, do you really want to spend time obsessing over Barney Frank's sex life?

BS, Kerry and Kennedy pretended to help the poor, this is the myth Democrats believe. They went to Congress, they posed on the floor of the Senate and created laws to help the poor stay on state assistance. In their private life, they did nothing to help anyone but themselves.

Sorry, you lose on this, either that or you will remain an ignorant Democrat.

I know both parties work for the rich, they always have. Democrats some how think their party works for the poor, but it has been proven a misconception, they work on keeping the rich in power by keeping the poor under their thumb.

 

[zeke]

A declining standard of living has been coming on for some time now.

Can you outline exactly how the standard of living has declined?

There is so much crap we now take for granted, things that would be rich man's toys now the common man's necessity. When I see workers at Burger King filling my order with a smart phones sticking out of their back pockets I really wonder how much of a decline our society is suffering.

When I was a young man (early 70ties) I could go out and find a job with no difficulty that would pay me enough to live and prosper on. After a couple years in this job, I could buy a nice decent house in a decent neighborhood. maybe a new car. Nice household goods.
No problem. I did it with a high school education.

Fast forward to today. When my future SIL and daughter graduate from college, he will be lucky to find a job that lets he and my daughter pay a cheap rent on a house I will provide. They drive and will continue to drive POS cars. They will rely on my wife and I for back up if things get to tight. They will be one paycheck and one job away from financial disaster. And if they lose their jobs, it could be weeks or months before they can find another.

If I lost or quit my job back in the 70ties, with in a day, I would have another job. Maybe a better job.

That is a declining standard of living from the 70ties to the 2014 period. IMO. I could have a variety of good paying jobs with only a high school education. Today college grads have a hard time finding any job that pays above minimum wage.

You don't think that is a decline?

 

[Jackson]

Romney and Ryan and the GOP work on the philosophy of "I've Got Mine, Fuck You".

WRONG !!

Romney and Ryan and the GOP work on the philosophy of "I've Got Mine, i worked my ass off to get it, now get off your lazy asses and welfare, get a job. ...

Romney was born with a silver rolodex in his hands.

The man never had to worry about meeting a mortgage payment in his life.

As Rick Perry observed, the only time Mitt Romney had to worry about a pink slip is when he wondered if he would run out of them to hand out to other people.

And when he walked out there talking about how he liked to fire people and how half of us were moochers, we kicked his worthless Mormon Ass back to Utah where it belonged.

When he was talking about he liked to fire people, he was talking about his landscapers who were not working.

 

[BlackSand]

A declining standard of living has been coming on for some time now.

Can you outline exactly how the standard of living has declined?

There is so much crap we now take for granted, things that would be rich man's toys now the common man's necessity. When I see workers at Burger King filling my order with a smart phones sticking out of their back pockets I really wonder how much of a decline our society is suffering.

When I was a young man (early 70ties) I could go out and find a job with no difficulty that would pay me enough to live and prosper on. After a couple years in this job, I could buy a nice decent house in a decent neighborhood. maybe a new car. Nice household goods.
No problem. I did it with a high school education.

Fast forward to today. When my future SIL and daughter graduate from college, he will be lucky to find a job that lets he and my daughter pay a cheap rent on a house I will provide. They drive and will continue to drive POS cars. They will rely on my wife and I for back up if things get to tight. They will be one paycheck and one job away from financial disaster. And if they lose their jobs, it could be weeks or months before they can find another.

If I lost or quit my job back in the 70ties, with in a day, I would have another job. Maybe a better job.

That is a declining standard of living from the 70ties to the 2014 period. IMO. I could have a variety of good paying jobs with only a high school education. Today college grads have a hard time finding any job that pays above minimum wage.

You don't think that is a decline?

If your SIL had decided to be a welder instead of a college graduate ... He could be making $50 an hour in North Dakota right now ... And far more than minimum wage in many other places.
He would also have a company truck with paid gas to and from work ... Leaving more income to afford a house and better vehicle for your daughter.

The standard of living did change ... But so did the expectations of people.
If you waste your time preparing for a career that won't provide you with what you need or want ... Then that is your fault.
If you expect to leave college and walk right into a job that pays you enough to have everything you want ... Then I don't see where that correlates with the standards they had when my parents were growing up.

I will tell other young people right now ... If you want fancy cars, phones, clothes and to live high on the hog ... You better start doing something that will earn you that kind of lifestyle.
Making your parents sacrifice more of their earnings to support your desires ... Is also a sign of how they failed to teach you proper money management ... And the ability to put what needs to be done or had before what you want to do.
It is possible to live a prosperous lifestyle today ... But nobody is going to hand it to you and you better get to work making it happen.

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[Unkotare]

Sorry, snookums, you can bend over and kiss the man's ass all day, but those of us with sense realize the guy in the corner office isn't your friend, and when he slaps you on the back, he's just looking for a place to stick a knife.

It's a lesson it took me far too long to learn.

Holy crap, this whiny little nobody never stops bitching and moaning about why he's such a loser...