Senate Republicans Be Responsible Don't Use The Filibuster On Debt Ceiling Vote!

JimofPennsylvan

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Senate Republicans are being malicious, petty and irresponsible about not sending the sovereign debt investment community the unequivocal message that the United States will never default on its Treasury bonds and Treasury notes debt! I am totally on board with the Senate Republicans "not actually" voting to raise the national debt limit until December 2022 because such raising will facilitate the Democrats passing their Build Back Better Act Reconciliation bill which will saddle America with an abundance of overly expansive social programs that will ultimately end up raising taxes across the board and increase the trajectory growth of the national debt bringing forth significantly earlier than otherwise a Great Recession caused by a national debt crisis! But this is not at issue today the Senate Democrats alone are willing to raise the national debt ceiling, the Republicans will be able to keep clean hands over the matter they will be able to claim they did not support nor vote to raise the debt limit, the issue today is whether or not it is okay for Senate Republicans to use a procedural mechanism, the filibuster, to block the Democrats from having an up or down vote on raising it; and the answer is "absolutely not" America is now getting into territory where arguably if this vote fails America's legislative mechanisms will not allow time for the Democrat majority in the House and Senate to raise the debt limit in time so America can borrow money to pay its principle and interest obligations on outstanding Treasury securities coming due!

Senate Republicans should keep in mind that America is now at the stage where it is sending a message to the world wide Treasury bond investment community that it is willing to toy with defaulting on its debt, it is willing to maneuver America's legislative mechanisms so that the raising the debt process slows to the point where there could be an actual debt default and that is bad because it deters potential buyers and holders of America's Treasury debt. To moderate Republicans your joining in on this obstructing of a vote on voting to raise the debt limit when America has hit the previous debt ceiling gives fertile ground to the far right faction of your Party like Ted Cruz and Mark Levin devotees that believe America doesn't have to raise its debt ceiling the monthly interest on the debt is approximately $44 billion/month and America's tax revenue income is approximately $320 billion/month so America only needs to manage the paying of its bills and prioritize paying Treasury debt at the top of the list which you moderates know is "totally and completely insane" because one cannot indefinitely juggle such inflows and outflows of money and not have a disruption; one cannot count on disruptions of individuals and businesses paying their taxes and paying on America's sovereign debt obligations which requires rolling over the principle on America's debt and sometimes buyers on America's Treasuries lessen in number as other fixed income securities offer better interest rates than U.S. treasuries and/or equity markets offer a clearly better return than bonds. You moderate Republicans know that once America actually defaults on paying its Treasury debt that has come due America will lose its triple AAA credit rating and it will force a lot of holders of U.S. Treasury bonds to have to sell those securities, it will cause a run on Treasury bonds thereby dramatically hurting the financial condition of almost countless institutions that hold treasuries and could cause financial earthquakes throughout the world that could cause a severe world-wide recession! Senate Republican don't gamble with America's future like this allow an up or down vote on raising the nation's debt ceiling!
 
Senate Republicans are being malicious, petty and irresponsible about not sending the sovereign debt investment community the unequivocal message that the United States will never default on its Treasury bonds and Treasury notes debt! I am totally on board with the Senate Republicans "not actually" voting to raise the national debt limit until December 2022 because such raising will facilitate the Democrats passing their Build Back Better Act Reconciliation bill which will saddle America with an abundance of overly expansive social programs that will ultimately end up raising taxes across the board and increase the trajectory growth of the national debt bringing forth significantly earlier than otherwise a Great Recession caused by a national debt crisis! But this is not at issue today the Senate Democrats alone are willing to raise the national debt ceiling, the Republicans will be able to keep clean hands over the matter they will be able to claim they did not support nor vote to raise the debt limit, the issue today is whether or not it is okay for Senate Republicans to use a procedural mechanism, the filibuster, to block the Democrats from having an up or down vote on raising it; and the answer is "absolutely not" America is now getting into territory where arguably if this vote fails America's legislative mechanisms will not allow time for the Democrat majority in the House and Senate to raise the debt limit in time so America can borrow money to pay its principle and interest obligations on outstanding Treasury securities coming due!

Senate Republicans should keep in mind that America is now at the stage where it is sending a message to the world wide Treasury bond investment community that it is willing to toy with defaulting on its debt, it is willing to maneuver America's legislative mechanisms so that the raising the debt process slows to the point where there could be an actual debt default and that is bad because it deters potential buyers and holders of America's Treasury debt. To moderate Republicans your joining in on this obstructing of a vote on voting to raise the debt limit when America has hit the previous debt ceiling gives fertile ground to the far right faction of your Party like Ted Cruz and Mark Levin devotees that believe America doesn't have to raise its debt ceiling the monthly interest on the debt is approximately $44 billion/month and America's tax revenue income is approximately $320 billion/month so America only needs to manage the paying of its bills and prioritize paying Treasury debt at the top of the list which you moderates know is "totally and completely insane" because one cannot indefinitely juggle such inflows and outflows of money and not have a disruption; one cannot count on disruptions of individuals and businesses paying their taxes and paying on America's sovereign debt obligations which requires rolling over the principle on America's debt and sometimes buyers on America's Treasuries lessen in number as other fixed income securities offer better interest rates than U.S. treasuries and/or equity markets offer a clearly better return than bonds. You moderate Republicans know that once America actually defaults on paying its Treasury debt that has come due America will lose its triple AAA credit rating and it will force a lot of holders of U.S. Treasury bonds to have to sell those securities, it will cause a run on Treasury bonds thereby dramatically hurting the financial condition of almost countless institutions that hold treasuries and could cause financial earthquakes throughout the world that could cause a severe world-wide recession! Senate Republican don't gamble with America's future like this allow an up or down vote on raising the nation's debt ceiling!

How high do Democrats intend to take the debt ceiling? Im not talking on this vote; I’m speaking indefinitely. My bet is that Democrats(and Republicans, too) will constantly ask for “credit limit increases” (debt ceiling) so they can keep spending frivolously like out of control teenagers or drunken sailors
 
How high do Democrats intend to take the debt ceiling? Im not talking on this vote; I’m speaking indefinitely. My bet is that Democrats(and Republicans, too) will constantly ask for “credit limit increases” (debt ceiling) so they can keep spending frivolously like out of control teenagers or drunken sailors
it has to stop somewhere. the time to stop it is when one party controls everything. pass a balanced budget law and make it stick.

Pubs should have done it when they were able. The fact that they didn't does not mean Dems should now get a pass.

FIX THE FUCKING PROBLEM. Somebody FIX THE PROBLEM. Stop using this as a political football to gain votes and demonize the other side!!!
 
do you have any post like this the 3 times Trump approved a rise to the debt ceiling? If not your words ring hollow
Go back and see where I said Trump should have never signed any spending bill sent to him and he should have made Congress override his veto.
 
do you have any post like this the 3 times Trump approved a rise to the debt ceiling? If not your words ring hollow






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How high do Democrats intend to take the debt ceiling? Im not talking on this vote; I’m speaking indefinitely. My bet is that Democrats(and Republicans, too) will constantly ask for “credit limit increases” (debt ceiling) so they can keep spending frivolously like out of control teenagers or drunken sailors
You obviously don’t understand any of this.
 
Raising the debt ceiling allows for paying on what was already spent, dope.
Yeah that's the hypocrisy. Gop runs up debt with two tax cuts followed by expanded social programs and defense funding, coupled with 8 T in war costs.

There's more in the dems bill for me to be against that to be for, but the gop needs a swift kick in the nads on this one.
 
You obviously don’t understand any of this.
Demonstrate your understanding instead of baseless assessments of others’ interpretation. I’ll help. How much sense does it make to increase spending -inclusive of questionable line items- with money you don’t have?
 
Senate Republicans are being malicious, petty and irresponsible about not sending the sovereign debt investment community the unequivocal message that the United States will never default on its Treasury bonds and Treasury notes debt! I am totally on board with the Senate Republicans "not actually" voting to raise the national debt limit until December 2022 because such raising will facilitate the Democrats passing their Build Back Better Act Reconciliation bill which will saddle America with an abundance of overly expansive social programs that will ultimately end up raising taxes across the board and increase the trajectory growth of the national debt bringing forth significantly earlier than otherwise a Great Recession caused by a national debt crisis! But this is not at issue today the Senate Democrats alone are willing to raise the national debt ceiling, the Republicans will be able to keep clean hands over the matter they will be able to claim they did not support nor vote to raise the debt limit, the issue today is whether or not it is okay for Senate Republicans to use a procedural mechanism, the filibuster, to block the Democrats from having an up or down vote on raising it; and the answer is "absolutely not" America is now getting into territory where arguably if this vote fails America's legislative mechanisms will not allow time for the Democrat majority in the House and Senate to raise the debt limit in time so America can borrow money to pay its principle and interest obligations on outstanding Treasury securities coming due!

Senate Republicans should keep in mind that America is now at the stage where it is sending a message to the world wide Treasury bond investment community that it is willing to toy with defaulting on its debt, it is willing to maneuver America's legislative mechanisms so that the raising the debt process slows to the point where there could be an actual debt default and that is bad because it deters potential buyers and holders of America's Treasury debt. To moderate Republicans your joining in on this obstructing of a vote on voting to raise the debt limit when America has hit the previous debt ceiling gives fertile ground to the far right faction of your Party like Ted Cruz and Mark Levin devotees that believe America doesn't have to raise its debt ceiling the monthly interest on the debt is approximately $44 billion/month and America's tax revenue income is approximately $320 billion/month so America only needs to manage the paying of its bills and prioritize paying Treasury debt at the top of the list which you moderates know is "totally and completely insane" because one cannot indefinitely juggle such inflows and outflows of money and not have a disruption; one cannot count on disruptions of individuals and businesses paying their taxes and paying on America's sovereign debt obligations which requires rolling over the principle on America's debt and sometimes buyers on America's Treasuries lessen in number as other fixed income securities offer better interest rates than U.S. treasuries and/or equity markets offer a clearly better return than bonds. You moderate Republicans know that once America actually defaults on paying its Treasury debt that has come due America will lose its triple AAA credit rating and it will force a lot of holders of U.S. Treasury bonds to have to sell those securities, it will cause a run on Treasury bonds thereby dramatically hurting the financial condition of almost countless institutions that hold treasuries and could cause financial earthquakes throughout the world that could cause a severe world-wide recession! Senate Republican don't gamble with America's future like this allow an up or down vote on raising the nation's debt ceiling!
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Senate Republicans are being malicious, petty and irresponsible about not sending the sovereign debt investment community the unequivocal message that the United States will never default on its Treasury bonds and Treasury notes debt!

No such thing as a risk-free investment ... even US Treasuries can default ... and maybe it's long past time they did default ... Federal government borrowing is only part of the problem, we still have folks out there willing to blindly lend that money ... way past time them fingers get burnt ...
 
Demonstrate your understanding instead of baseless assessments of others’ interpretation. I’ll help. How much sense does it make to increase spending -inclusive of questionable line items- with money you don’t have?
I realize you pointed out in an earlier thread that the gop is part of the fiscal problem. But I do think you missed some of the point. We have Sen Collins seeming to offer" compromise" to vote to up the debt ceiling but only if the dems drop the 3.5T bill (which she may mean as just don't pass anything besides the already passed infrastructure bill)

But even ignoring the absurdity of suggesting the dems don't do what Biden ran upon ..... if she REALLY about compromise and accepting responsibility, wouldn't she be saying "I'll vote to raise the debt ceiling, AND vote to repeal the McConnell Trump tax cut and spending hikes that I voted For and added some 3T, if the dems will drop their spending bill or at least make it smaller."
 
I realize you pointed out in an earlier thread that the gop is part of the fiscal problem. But I do think you missed some of the point. We have Sen Collins seeming to offer" compromise" to vote to up the debt ceiling but only if the dems drop the 3.5T bill (which she may mean as just don't pass anything besides the already passed infrastructure bill)

But even ignoring the absurdity of suggesting the dems don't do what Biden ran upon ..... if she REALLY about compromise and accepting responsibility, wouldn't she be saying "I'll vote to raise the debt ceiling, AND vote to repeal the McConnell Trump tax cut and spending hikes that I voted For and added some 3T, if the dems will drop their spending bill or at least make it smaller."
Agreed. Republicans are part of the problem. I assailed increasing debt ceiling when Trump and Republicans ran things as well. The debt ceiling debate is really disrupting the debate and compromise discussions that should be taking place: taxes and spending. If we raise taxes, cut spending.
 
Yeah that's the hypocrisy. Gop runs up debt with two tax cuts followed by expanded social programs and defense funding, coupled with 8 T in war costs.

There's more in the dems bill for me to be against that to be for, but the gop needs a swift kick in the nads on this one.

No, both parties need their little nads cut off.
 
Yeah that's the hypocrisy. Gop runs up debt with two tax cuts followed by expanded social programs and defense funding, coupled with 8 T in war costs.

There's more in the dems bill for me to be against that to be for, but the gop needs a swift kick in the nads on this one.
They should never be taken seriously about anything ever again.
 

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