Four Senate Republicans again unite with Dems to block Trump's SAVE America Act

[candycorn]

Deal.

The difference is I stopped talking about the analogy when it stopped making sense. You stopped talking about it when defending it became difficult.

I’ll look at #26.

Oh it hasn't been difficult at all to highlight the idiocy of "whats the problem" approaches to redundant laws.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

A better question would be:

Seeing how the electoral system doesn't allow voters to vote for who they want, and it massively distorts the way people vote, why are people talking about voter fraud when Proportional Representation would stop almost all of this supposed fraud and it would bring democracy to the US for the first time?"

Take a civics class.

 

[jotathought]

In my experience, low information voters use phrases like "libtard" instead of actually and intelligently commenting.

So you're stating that any woman who shows up with a birth certificate that doesn't have her current last name will be able to register no questions asked? How are they going to make sure that it is actually her birth certificate?

Does she also have to show up with her marriage license?

If her parents--Jane Smith and John Jones--divorced and her certificate says Jones but she lived with her mom and went by "Smith" will she be allowed to register to vote?

I know men find this to be tedious but these are the questions that never get asked of your gender. You'll likely answer all of the above with "of course" and never entertain that some overzealous right wing government official will decide that she didn't quite meet the standards. God help her if she is in a same sex marriage...that is sure to short-circuit the mentally dull one usually finds in red states.

These are fair administrative questions, but they are not unique to voting. Social Security, Medicare, passports, USCIS records, driver’s licenses, and vital records all require people to establish identity, citizenship/status, or legal name changes.

Viewed more broadly, the issue isn’t whether documentation is ever required. The issue is whether there are reasonable and accessible paths for individuals to establish their identity and eligibility when names change or records don’t perfectly align.

As for your specific questions:

• No, I am not suggesting “no questions asked.”
• If a birth certificate reflects a maiden name, a marriage certificate can establish the legal name change.
• If someone grew up using a different surname, the question becomes whether they can establish their identity through the available documentation process, just as they would for numerous other government programs and services.
• If an overzealous bureaucrat improperly denies someone, that is a problem with the administration of the process and should be addressed through safeguards, appeals, and oversight.

In the end, the real question should be whether government processes provide reasonable, accessible, and consistent paths for people to establish their identity and eligibility. That’s a standard that should apply equally to voting, Social Security, Medicare, passports, driver’s licenses, and countless other public services.

 

[jotathought]

Ahh...so there are more predominantly black districts now than there were before the court ruled?

Seems unlikely....perhaps you can show me your links to such claims.

The pattern wasn’t about district maps. It was about replacing legal analysis with motive attribution.

At some point, “I disagree with the ruling” became “I know why the justices did it,” and those are not the same thing.

 

[jotathought]

Oh it hasn't been difficult at all to highlight the idiocy of "whats the problem" approaches to redundant laws.

The most interesting part of this discussion is that the central premise has remained largely unexamined while being repeatedly relied upon.

So much for our deal.

 

[westwall]

In my experience, low information voters use phrases like "libtard" instead of actually and intelligently commenting.

So you're stating that any woman who shows up with a birth certificate that doesn't have her current last name will be able to register no questions asked? How are they going to make sure that it is actually her birth certificate?

Does she also have to show up with her marriage license?

If her parents--Jane Smith and John Jones--divorced and her certificate says Jones but she lived with her mom and went by "Smith" will she be allowed to register to vote?

I know men find this to be tedious but these are the questions that never get asked of your gender. You'll likely answer all of the above with "of course" and never entertain that some overzealous right wing government official will decide that she didn't quite meet the standards. God help her if she is in a same sex marriage...that is sure to short-circuit the mentally dull one usually finds in red states.

Yeah, just like you silly people with your MAGATS.

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[skews13]

It's called the "DNC/RNC Rope A Dope." The DNC has a pretty rigid platform from what I have heard through the decades. The RNC, from what I have heard does NOT. Former congressman Ron Paul had a pretty rough go with the RNC during his 3rd(?) attempt at anchoring the POTUS title. From what I can see it looks like the RNC/DNC corporations & the Wilson admin. were working together to undermine our American Republic in a power grab. The corruption in federal government sounds to have been around even before the Wilson admin. but it was certainly not as bad as during & after the Wilson admin. It's up to the American constituency to keep our Constitutionally based Republic viable by voting for responsible representation. Depending on the RNC/DNC is like depending on Stalin or Hitler(one in the same) to keep our America a viable Constitutionally based Republic.

The House needs to be expanded. Once there is more representation in each state, redistricting will no longer create any advantages. I wonder who would be against that?

 

[DonGlock26]

Look at the images of these people and ask yourself "are these the people concerned with the future of America, your democracy and your youths future"?

There can be no greater example of the problems in the U.S than ALL of the Dems, plus these four to vote against an exceptionally popular SAVE Act. Popular with voters of all stripes.

Tell me what could someone possibly argue their logic is for such a vote? Who are they assisting? What constituents? What American Values?

To be honest, the status of these people as the most entrenched Establishment creatures voting in this way is going to do far more damage to citizens trust in elections. Essentially as bad if not worse with the lengthy process to count mail-in ballots in California.

Do these people realize the risk in the world of China sinking America?

In my opinion, and I have studied the collapse of the Soviet Unions system, the East Germans and other states which hobbled until they became insignificant in history: "if you do not get money out of politics and term limits in your congress the chances of America remaining in their position within 50 years is slim".

I try to be objective. Honest and truthfully as I can be, sometimes brutally honest. This votes makes absolutely no sense to me.
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Someone please explain to me the reason ANYONE would vote against this Act

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Four Senate Republicans again unite with Dems to block Trump's SAVE America Act

Four Senate Republicans joined Democrats to kill the SAVE Act voter ID amendment for a second time, blocking it from the budget reconciliation package.

www.foxnews.com

Four Senate Republicans broke ranks to kill another effort to pass President Donald Trump's marquee voter ID and election integrity legislation as the GOP marches to fund immigration enforcement.

Just like last time, Sens. Susan Collins, R-Maine, Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, and Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., and Thom Tills, R-N.C., joined all Democrats to thwart the move.

It’s the second attempt by Republicans to attach the Safeguarding American Voter Eligibility (SAVE) America Act to their budget reconciliation package, and the second time that they’ve failed to get the legislation across the line months after launching a quasi-floor takeover to debate the bill.

These Rino traitors are vile.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Because the GOP needs to cheat too.

Cough cough Ed Tel Aviv Gallerin cough

Oh but Massies the enemy

 

[CrusaderFrank]

These Rino traitors are vile.

They’re just following the script

Remember Massie bad. Very bad