Senate Republicans Be Responsible Don't Use The Filibuster On Debt Ceiling Vote!

[Hutch Starskey]

Demonstrate your understanding instead of baseless assessments of others’ interpretation. I’ll help. How much sense does it make to increase spending -inclusive of questionable line items- with money you don’t have?

There’s no need. It would be like a NASCAR mechanic explaining to you that their engines are indeed not powered by steam. Not worth anyone’s time.

 

[The Original Tree]

Senate Republicans are being malicious, petty and irresponsible about not sending the sovereign debt investment community the unequivocal message that the United States will never default on its Treasury bonds and Treasury notes debt! I am totally on board with the Senate Republicans "not actually" voting to raise the national debt limit until December 2022 because such raising will facilitate the Democrats passing their Build Back Better Act Reconciliation bill which will saddle America with an abundance of overly expansive social programs that will ultimately end up raising taxes across the board and increase the trajectory growth of the national debt bringing forth significantly earlier than otherwise a Great Recession caused by a national debt crisis! But this is not at issue today the Senate Democrats alone are willing to raise the national debt ceiling, the Republicans will be able to keep clean hands over the matter they will be able to claim they did not support nor vote to raise the debt limit, the issue today is whether or not it is okay for Senate Republicans to use a procedural mechanism, the filibuster, to block the Democrats from having an up or down vote on raising it; and the answer is "absolutely not" America is now getting into territory where arguably if this vote fails America's legislative mechanisms will not allow time for the Democrat majority in the House and Senate to raise the debt limit in time so America can borrow money to pay its principle and interest obligations on outstanding Treasury securities coming due!

Senate Republicans should keep in mind that America is now at the stage where it is sending a message to the world wide Treasury bond investment community that it is willing to toy with defaulting on its debt, it is willing to maneuver America's legislative mechanisms so that the raising the debt process slows to the point where there could be an actual debt default and that is bad because it deters potential buyers and holders of America's Treasury debt. To moderate Republicans your joining in on this obstructing of a vote on voting to raise the debt limit when America has hit the previous debt ceiling gives fertile ground to the far right faction of your Party like Ted Cruz and Mark Levin devotees that believe America doesn't have to raise its debt ceiling the monthly interest on the debt is approximately $44 billion/month and America's tax revenue income is approximately $320 billion/month so America only needs to manage the paying of its bills and prioritize paying Treasury debt at the top of the list which you moderates know is "totally and completely insane" because one cannot indefinitely juggle such inflows and outflows of money and not have a disruption; one cannot count on disruptions of individuals and businesses paying their taxes and paying on America's sovereign debt obligations which requires rolling over the principle on America's debt and sometimes buyers on America's Treasuries lessen in number as other fixed income securities offer better interest rates than U.S. treasuries and/or equity markets offer a clearly better return than bonds. You moderate Republicans know that once America actually defaults on paying its Treasury debt that has come due America will lose its triple AAA credit rating and it will force a lot of holders of U.S. Treasury bonds to have to sell those securities, it will cause a run on Treasury bonds thereby dramatically hurting the financial condition of almost countless institutions that hold treasuries and could cause financial earthquakes throughout the world that could cause a severe world-wide recession! Senate Republican don't gamble with America's future like this allow an up or down vote on raising the nation's debt ceiling!

America needs to quit selling off it's wealth to The Chinese.

How about a balanced budget for a change?

Close the damn GOV down and no backpay for those parasites.

 

[sartre play]

Just dishonest game playing, winning more important over what's best for our country. We will all lose if we chose lying & cheating to win over an honest run government. And as we have gone bat shit crazy guess that means United States of America is a lost term.

 

[LeftofLeft]

There’s no need. It would be like a NASCAR mechanic explaining to you that their engines are indeed not powered by steam. Not worth anyone’s time.

Are you capable of providing any substance to your claims or do you just feel entitled at such a level to not be accountable or challenged? Your lack of substance and refusal to provide basis only serve to expose yourself further.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Biden And Schumer Voted Against Debt Limit Increases During Unified GOP Government | Republican Leader

 

[BluesLegend]

Senate Republicans are being malicious, petty and irresponsible

Meh, stop borrowing money then the debt ceiling doesn't need to be raised. That's why we have a debt ceiling. See how easy that was.

 

[bendog]

Well Manchin said no go. LOL

The dems have to have an agreement on a bill. But my guess is they are more united in forcing the gop on the debt limit than the gop is on watching a default ... while the dems put ANOTHER bill on the floor to raise the limit

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Racist Austin, lol, sob sob sob.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-10-06/pentagon-warns-of-national-security-fallout-from-debt-ceiling-crisis

 

[bendog]

Biden And Schumer Voted Against Debt Limit Increases During Unified GOP Government | Republican Leader

Obama Said Some Pretty Dumb Things About The Debt Ceiling In 2006

Obama Said Some Pretty Dumb Things About The Debt Ceiling In 2006

www.huffpost.com

Yeah it was stupid, but then is not analogous to now, because in 06 the dem vote did not prevent the gop from raising the debt limit on a simple maj vote
Democrats did not filibuster debt limit increases in 2003, 2004 and 2006, allowing Senate Republicans to raise the debt limit with a simple majority,

Is raising the debt limit usually bipartisan as Biden said?

Facing the prospect of the federal government running out of money to pay its bills in weeks, President Joe Biden said S

api.politifact.com

 

[Rogue AI]

Defaulting on debt is not sustainable

Democrats only have themselves to blame.

 

[bendog]

Democrats only have themselves to blame.

I dunno. If I were a betting man, and I'm not, I would not vote on McConnell as being a good gauge of public opinion. He's a vote counter, and back stabber expert, but he's not even popular in his own state.

 

[Flash]

The Democrats will be responsible for spending more money than we take in. That is pretty damn fiscally irresponsible, isn't it?

 

[Rogue AI]

I dunno. If I were a betting man, and I'm not, I would not vote on McConnell as being a good gauge of public opinion. He's a vote counter, and back stabber expert, but he's not even popular in his own state.

It has nothing to do with popularity. It has everything to do with how Democrats have acted, what they have said, and what Biden himself has said. This isn't something out of the blue, everyone knew the dates, if Democrats didn't prepare, that's on them. Blaming this or even implying it has anything to do with Republicans is disingenuous at best.

 

[JWBooth]

Senate Republicans are being malicious, petty and irresponsible about not sending the sovereign debt investment community the unequivocal message that the United States will never default on its Treasury bonds and Treasury notes debt! I am totally on board with the Senate Republicans "not actually" voting to raise the national debt limit until December 2022 because such raising will facilitate the Democrats passing their Build Back Better Act Reconciliation bill which will saddle America with an abundance of overly expansive social programs that will ultimately end up raising taxes across the board and increase the trajectory growth of the national debt bringing forth significantly earlier than otherwise a Great Recession caused by a national debt crisis! But this is not at issue today the Senate Democrats alone are willing to raise the national debt ceiling, the Republicans will be able to keep clean hands over the matter they will be able to claim they did not support nor vote to raise the debt limit, the issue today is whether or not it is okay for Senate Republicans to use a procedural mechanism, the filibuster, to block the Democrats from having an up or down vote on raising it; and the answer is "absolutely not" America is now getting into territory where arguably if this vote fails America's legislative mechanisms will not allow time for the Democrat majority in the House and Senate to raise the debt limit in time so America can borrow money to pay its principle and interest obligations on outstanding Treasury securities coming due!

Senate Republicans should keep in mind that America is now at the stage where it is sending a message to the world wide Treasury bond investment community that it is willing to toy with defaulting on its debt, it is willing to maneuver America's legislative mechanisms so that the raising the debt process slows to the point where there could be an actual debt default and that is bad because it deters potential buyers and holders of America's Treasury debt. To moderate Republicans your joining in on this obstructing of a vote on voting to raise the debt limit when America has hit the previous debt ceiling gives fertile ground to the far right faction of your Party like Ted Cruz and Mark Levin devotees that believe America doesn't have to raise its debt ceiling the monthly interest on the debt is approximately $44 billion/month and America's tax revenue income is approximately $320 billion/month so America only needs to manage the paying of its bills and prioritize paying Treasury debt at the top of the list which you moderates know is "totally and completely insane" because one cannot indefinitely juggle such inflows and outflows of money and not have a disruption; one cannot count on disruptions of individuals and businesses paying their taxes and paying on America's sovereign debt obligations which requires rolling over the principle on America's debt and sometimes buyers on America's Treasuries lessen in number as other fixed income securities offer better interest rates than U.S. treasuries and/or equity markets offer a clearly better return than bonds. You moderate Republicans know that once America actually defaults on paying its Treasury debt that has come due America will lose its triple AAA credit rating and it will force a lot of holders of U.S. Treasury bonds to have to sell those securities, it will cause a run on Treasury bonds thereby dramatically hurting the financial condition of almost countless institutions that hold treasuries and could cause financial earthquakes throughout the world that could cause a severe world-wide recession! Senate Republican don't gamble with America's future like this allow an up or down vote on raising the nation's debt ceiling!

Cool story bro.
So, who’d you lift this one from without attribution?
The dims have the numbers, hell that‘s how you ended up with Pelosi and Schumer in the leadership positions, so why you hatin‘ on the GOPers?

 

[OKTexas]

Senate Republicans are being malicious, petty and irresponsible about not sending the sovereign debt investment community the unequivocal message that the United States will never default on its Treasury bonds and Treasury notes debt! I am totally on board with the Senate Republicans "not actually" voting to raise the national debt limit until December 2022 because such raising will facilitate the Democrats passing their Build Back Better Act Reconciliation bill which will saddle America with an abundance of overly expansive social programs that will ultimately end up raising taxes across the board and increase the trajectory growth of the national debt bringing forth significantly earlier than otherwise a Great Recession caused by a national debt crisis! But this is not at issue today the Senate Democrats alone are willing to raise the national debt ceiling, the Republicans will be able to keep clean hands over the matter they will be able to claim they did not support nor vote to raise the debt limit, the issue today is whether or not it is okay for Senate Republicans to use a procedural mechanism, the filibuster, to block the Democrats from having an up or down vote on raising it; and the answer is "absolutely not" America is now getting into territory where arguably if this vote fails America's legislative mechanisms will not allow time for the Democrat majority in the House and Senate to raise the debt limit in time so America can borrow money to pay its principle and interest obligations on outstanding Treasury securities coming due!

Senate Republicans should keep in mind that America is now at the stage where it is sending a message to the world wide Treasury bond investment community that it is willing to toy with defaulting on its debt, it is willing to maneuver America's legislative mechanisms so that the raising the debt process slows to the point where there could be an actual debt default and that is bad because it deters potential buyers and holders of America's Treasury debt. To moderate Republicans your joining in on this obstructing of a vote on voting to raise the debt limit when America has hit the previous debt ceiling gives fertile ground to the far right faction of your Party like Ted Cruz and Mark Levin devotees that believe America doesn't have to raise its debt ceiling the monthly interest on the debt is approximately $44 billion/month and America's tax revenue income is approximately $320 billion/month so America only needs to manage the paying of its bills and prioritize paying Treasury debt at the top of the list which you moderates know is "totally and completely insane" because one cannot indefinitely juggle such inflows and outflows of money and not have a disruption; one cannot count on disruptions of individuals and businesses paying their taxes and paying on America's sovereign debt obligations which requires rolling over the principle on America's debt and sometimes buyers on America's Treasuries lessen in number as other fixed income securities offer better interest rates than U.S. treasuries and/or equity markets offer a clearly better return than bonds. You moderate Republicans know that once America actually defaults on paying its Treasury debt that has come due America will lose its triple AAA credit rating and it will force a lot of holders of U.S. Treasury bonds to have to sell those securities, it will cause a run on Treasury bonds thereby dramatically hurting the financial condition of almost countless institutions that hold treasuries and could cause financial earthquakes throughout the world that could cause a severe world-wide recession! Senate Republican don't gamble with America's future like this allow an up or down vote on raising the nation's debt ceiling!

Using the filibuster on the debt ceiling vote is the responsible thing to do. Let the commies do it on their own under reconciliation. BTW it only costs 44 billion a month to service the debt, the government brings in roughly 320 billion a month. There is plenty of money to service the debt.

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[bendog]

It has nothing to do with popularity. It has everything to do with how Democrats have acted, what they have said, and what Biden himself has said. This isn't something out of the blue, everyone knew the dates, if Democrats didn't prepare, that's on them. Blaming this or even implying it has anything to do with Republicans is disingenuous at best.

Are you kidding? This ALL about popularity. The gop was betting on the dems just upping the debt limit in reconcillaiton and even told them to do it, even though the dems have not done that to them.

McConnnell is betting 22 on Americans blaming the dems for shutting down and defaulting when they filibustered a bill to raise the debt ceiling. And default means our home mortgage rates go up, credit cards go up, people don't get soc sec checks ...... Biden is playing with fire, no doubt.

IF I was really cynical (and I am, oh I am LOL) I might even think that Biden might be willing to run the congressional elections on "I got everyone vacced who would get vacced, covid was down, we had 7% growth, and unemployment at 5.5%, and a trillion in infrastucute passed but then MCCONNELL SHUT DOWN THE GOVT AGAIN."

 

[Lesh]

Meh, stop borrowing money then the debt ceiling doesn't need to be raised. That's why we have a debt ceiling. See how easy that was.

That's an argument you have BEFORE you sign the contract.

NOT when the bill comes due.

Blocking the raising of the debt ceiling is the exact OPPOSITE of responsible.

It will lead to default and Recession.

We've had ENOUGH Republican Recessions. The last one was a fucking DOOZY (2008)

 

[Turtlesoup]

Senate Republicans are being malicious, petty and irresponsible about not sending the sovereign debt investment community the unequivocal message that the United States will never default on its Treasury bonds and Treasury notes debt! I am totally on board with the Senate Republicans "not actually" voting to raise the national debt limit until December 2022 because such raising will facilitate the Democrats passing their Build Back Better Act Reconciliation bill which will saddle America with an abundance of overly expansive social programs that will ultimately end up raising taxes across the board and increase the trajectory growth of the national debt bringing forth significantly earlier than otherwise a Great Recession caused by a national debt crisis! But this is not at issue today the Senate Democrats alone are willing to raise the national debt ceiling, the Republicans will be able to keep clean hands over the matter they will be able to claim they did not support nor vote to raise the debt limit, the issue today is whether or not it is okay for Senate Republicans to use a procedural mechanism, the filibuster, to block the Democrats from having an up or down vote on raising it; and the answer is "absolutely not" America is now getting into territory where arguably if this vote fails America's legislative mechanisms will not allow time for the Democrat majority in the House and Senate to raise the debt limit in time so America can borrow money to pay its principle and interest obligations on outstanding Treasury securities coming due!

Senate Republicans should keep in mind that America is now at the stage where it is sending a message to the world wide Treasury bond investment community that it is willing to toy with defaulting on its debt, it is willing to maneuver America's legislative mechanisms so that the raising the debt process slows to the point where there could be an actual debt default and that is bad because it deters potential buyers and holders of America's Treasury debt. To moderate Republicans your joining in on this obstructing of a vote on voting to raise the debt limit when America has hit the previous debt ceiling gives fertile ground to the far right faction of your Party like Ted Cruz and Mark Levin devotees that believe America doesn't have to raise its debt ceiling the monthly interest on the debt is approximately $44 billion/month and America's tax revenue income is approximately $320 billion/month so America only needs to manage the paying of its bills and prioritize paying Treasury debt at the top of the list which you moderates know is "totally and completely insane" because one cannot indefinitely juggle such inflows and outflows of money and not have a disruption; one cannot count on disruptions of individuals and businesses paying their taxes and paying on America's sovereign debt obligations which requires rolling over the principle on America's debt and sometimes buyers on America's Treasuries lessen in number as other fixed income securities offer better interest rates than U.S. treasuries and/or equity markets offer a clearly better return than bonds. You moderate Republicans know that once America actually defaults on paying its Treasury debt that has come due America will lose its triple AAA credit rating and it will force a lot of holders of U.S. Treasury bonds to have to sell those securities, it will cause a run on Treasury bonds thereby dramatically hurting the financial condition of almost countless institutions that hold treasuries and could cause financial earthquakes throughout the world that could cause a severe world-wide recession! Senate Republican don't gamble with America's future like this allow an up or down vote on raising the nation's debt ceiling!

The moral choice is to stop the spending---and claiming well we didn't vote for it is not enough when they can stop it. BUT atlas they are paid off too, so they will probably use your option and claim they are innocent.

 

[bendog]

The moral choice is to stop the spending---and claiming well we didn't vote for it is not enough when they can stop it. BUT atlas they are paid off too, so they will probably use your option and claim they are innocent.

We have to raise the debt ceiling just to pay soc sec and medicare and military pay. It has nothing to do with the dems' bill, that I don't much like, either.

 

[Lesh]

The moral choice is to stop the spending

That's an argument you have BEFORE you sign the contract.

NOT when the bill comes due.