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[TNHarley]

here is something else to consider.
The human messiah was to complete many prophecies. Jesus didnt.
Christian's claim he will come back a second time. Where is that in the prophecies? How do humans come back to life thousands of years later?

 

[TNHarley]

As if him not being human and not being the seed of David is not enough.

Who says he wasn't descended from the line of David?

He had no father. Jewish tribalism comes from the fathers side.
Besides that, it was supposed to be a human that was a descendant from Solomon. Not nathan like Mary supposedly was.

Mary was a descendant of David, TN. Two different lineages are given in the gospels.

This generation does not refer to generation proper but this Genesis of man.

Through nathan. The prophecy was through Solomon. Besides, Jewish tribalism is through the father.
"Your mothers family is not family. Your fathers family is family" or something to that effect.
He was also supposed to be human...
That is your interpretation of what it meant. The Greek word originally inscribed means a few things.

Except when you are the son of God and the son of man.

Do you really believe an atheist from Tennessee discovered something new that hasn’t already been dissected a thousand times before?

In fact, I’m willing to bet you got this from some atheist website. Amirite?

At some point you have to ask yourself why you even care about this?

Like I said, ignore the prophecy and spin it at your own discretion. So dishonest.

 

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Who says he wasn't descended from the line of David?

He had no father. Jewish tribalism comes from the fathers side.
Besides that, it was supposed to be a human that was a descendant from Solomon. Not nathan like Mary supposedly was.

Mary was a descendant of David, TN. Two different lineages are given in the gospels.

This generation does not refer to generation proper but this Genesis of man.

Through nathan. The prophecy was through Solomon. Besides, Jewish tribalism is through the father.
"Your mothers family is not family. Your fathers family is family" or something to that effect.
He was also supposed to be human...
That is your interpretation of what it meant. The Greek word originally inscribed means a few things.

Except when you are the son of God and the son of man.

Do you really believe an atheist from Tennessee discovered something new that hasn’t already been dissected a thousand times before?

In fact, I’m willing to bet you got this from some atheist website. Amirite?

At some point you have to ask yourself why you even care about this?

Like I said, ignore the prophecy and spin it at your own discretion. So dishonest.

Which prophecy was that again, TN?

Don’t be afraid to say it, brother.

 

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It’s kinda early to be drinking this early even in Tennessee.

 

[Picaro]

As if him not being human and not being the seed of David is not enough.

Who says he wasn't descended from the line of David?

He had no father. Jewish tribalism comes from the fathers side.
Besides that, it was supposed to be a human that was a descendant from Solomon. Not nathan like Mary supposedly was.

Mary was a descendant of David, TN. Two different lineages are given in the gospels.

This generation does not refer to generation proper but this Genesis of man.

Through nathan. The prophecy was through Solomon. Besides, Jewish tribalism is through the father.
"Your mothers family is not family. Your fathers family is family" or something to that effect.
He was also supposed to be human...
That is your interpretation of what it meant. The Greek word originally inscribed means a few things.

And obviously, not all Jews rejected his teachings; in fact the Jewish establishment at the time had managed to alienate more via their racial purity laws than there were orthodox supporters, hence the extreme hatred and violence toward Christians in the 17-18 centuries that followed, including mass murders and providing occupation soldiers and admins for Muslim conquests of Christian countries. People have some bizarre idea that Jews only existed in western Europe for some reason; in fact the vast majority who didn't follow the new teachings lived elsewhere.

 

[Picaro]

here is something else to consider.
The human messiah was to complete many prophecies. Jesus didnt.
Christian's claim he will come back a second time. Where is that in the prophecies? How do humans come back to life thousands of years later?

Do you think that because some Jews thought Cyrus was the Messiah means he was?

 

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TN keeps forgetting that the Jewish prophecy of the Messiah hasn’t been fulfilled yet because that won’t happen until the end of days.

 

[Picaro]

TN keeps forgetting that the Jewish prophecy of the Messiah hasn’t been fulfilled yet because that won’t happen until the end of days.

They keep relying on isolated cites of verses instead of reading the entire texts, never mind 'verses' were themselves a later invention for convenience of study and reference, not the original formats. They are also ignorant of the fact that there are at least four distinct 'voices' commenting, many times on the same topics, and so on. Isolated quotes mean nothing; they have no context, and imply single meanings.

 

[norwegen]

Truly I tell you, this generation certainly will not pass away until all these things have happened.


Clearly all the events in the olivet discourse didn't happen in that generation.
Perhaps this is another reason why jews dismiss jesus as their messiah.

They did happen in that generation.

 

[norwegen]

the verse says heaven and earth will pass away but not my words.

Verse 35 says that, actually. Heaven and earth passed away.

 

[norwegen]

As if him not being human and not being the seed of David is not enough.

Who says he wasn't descended from the line of David?

The Gospels say that.

Mary's betrothal to Joseph was Jesus' inclusion in the house of David.

 

[Indeependent]

As if him not being human and not being the seed of David is not enough.

Who says he wasn't descended from the line of David?

One of the books of the NT traces the ultimate kingship through a son other than Solomon even though David promises Bathsheba that the kingship will go through David, which is what happened.

 

[Picaro]

As if him not being human and not being the seed of David is not enough.

Who says he wasn't descended from the line of David?

The Gospels say that.

Mary's betrothal to Joseph was Jesus' inclusion in the house of David.

And that somehow means he wasn't?

"Matthew 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham."

Matt. I. 1

Not my favorite translation, but it serves its purpose here.

And, Jewish tradition changed by that time, the mother has become the determinant of lines of descent, see Ezra and the post-exilic rules imposed on Jewish 'legitimacy', to exclude most of those Jews who weren't exiled from offices and priesthoods or had married allegedly non-Jewish wives. And, Joseph was of the Davidian line as well.

 

[norwegen]

As if him not being human and not being the seed of David is not enough.

Who says he wasn't descended from the line of David?

The Gospels say that.

Mary's betrothal to Joseph was Jesus' inclusion in the house of David.

And that somehow means he wasn't?

"Matthew 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham."

Matt. I. 1

Not my favorite translation, but it serves its purpose here.

And, Jewish tradition changed by that time, the mother has become the determinant of lines of descent, see Ezra and the post-exilic rules imposed on Jewish 'legitimacy', to exclude most of those Jews who weren't exiled from offices and priesthoods or had married allegedly non-Jewish wives. And, Joseph was of the Davidian line as well.

Yes, Jesus was a son of David. I'm not sure he was of the line of David, though.

 

[TNHarley]

here is something else to consider.
The human messiah was to complete many prophecies. Jesus didnt.
Christian's claim he will come back a second time. Where is that in the prophecies? How do humans come back to life thousands of years later?

Do you think that because some Jews thought Cyrus was the Messiah means he was?

He obviously wasnt the messiah either.
You can ask stupid questions if you want. This comes out of the bible. I'm not twisting it like you.

 

[TNHarley]

TN keeps forgetting that the Jewish prophecy of the Messiah hasn’t been fulfilled yet because that won’t happen until the end of days.

No shit sherlock
It didnt happen and jesus is dead

 

[TNHarley]

TN keeps forgetting that the Jewish prophecy of the Messiah hasn’t been fulfilled yet because that won’t happen until the end of days.

They keep relying on isolated cites of verses instead of reading the entire texts, never mind 'verses' were themselves a later invention for convenience of study and reference, not the original formats. They are also ignorant of the fact that there are at least four distinct 'voices' commenting, many times on the same topics, and so on. Isolated quotes mean nothing; they have no context, and imply single meanings.

Holy fuking shit.
Awareness, meet picaro.

 

[TNHarley]

Truly I tell you, this generation certainly will not pass away until all these things have happened.


Clearly all the events in the olivet discourse didn't happen in that generation.
Perhaps this is another reason why jews dismiss jesus as their messiah.

They did happen in that generation.

Lol. Ok

 

[Picaro]

Also of interest.


Whether Christ Took Flesh of the Seed of David?

Whether Christ Took Flesh of the Seed of David?

Objection 1: It would seem that Christ did not take flesh of the seed of David. For Matthew, in tracing the genealogy of Christ, brings it down to Joseph. But Joseph was not Christ's father, as shown above ([4138]Q[28], A[1], ad 1,2). Therefore it seems that Christ was not descended from David.

Objection 2: Further, Aaron was of the tribe of Levi, as related Ex.6. Now Mary the Mother of Christ is called the cousin of Elizabeth, who was a daughter of Aaron, as is clear from Lk.1:5,36. Therefore, since David was of the tribe of Juda, as is shown Mat.1, it seems that Christ was not descended from David.

Objection 3: Further, it is written of Jechonias (Jer.22:30): "Write this man barren . . . for there shall not be a man of his seed that shall sit upon the throne of David." Whereas of Christ it is written (Is.9:7): "He shall sit upon the throne of David." Therefore Christ was not of the seed of Jechonias: nor, consequently, of the family of David, since Matthew traces the genealogy from David through Jechonias.

On the contrary, It is written (Rom.1:3): "Who was made to him of the seed of David according to the flesh."

I answer that, Christ is said to have been the son especially of two of the patriarchs, Abraham and David, as is clear from Mat.1:1. There are many reasons for this. First to these especially was the promise made concerning Christ. For it was said to Abraham (Gn.22:18): "In thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed": which words the Apostle expounds of Christ (Gal.3:16): "To Abraham were the promises made and to his seed. He saith not, 'And to his seeds' as of many; but as of one, 'And to thy seed,' which is Christ." And to David it was said (Ps.131:11): "Of the fruit of thy womb I will set upon thy throne." Wherefore the Jewish people, receiving Him with kingly honor, said (Mat.21:9): "Hosanna to the Son of David."

A second reason is because Christ was to be king, prophet, and priest. Now Abraham was a priest; which is clear from the Lord saying unto him (Gn.15:9): "Take thee [Vulg.: 'Me'] a cow of three years old," etc. He was also a prophet, according to Gn.20:7: "He is a prophet; and he shall pray for thee." Lastly David was both king and prophet.

A third reason is because circumcision had its beginning in Abraham: while in David God's election was most clearly made manifest, according to 1 Kings 13 "The Lord hath sought Him a man according to His own heart." And consequently Christ is called in a most special way the Son of both, in order to show that He came for the salvation both of the circumcised and of the elect among the Gentiles.

Reply to Objection 1: Faustus the Manichean argued thus, in the desire to prove that Christ is not the Son of David, because He was not conceived of Joseph, in whom Matthew's genealogy terminates. Augustine answered this argument thus (Contra Faust. xxii): "Since the same evangelist affirms that Joseph was Mary's husband and that Christ's mother was a virgin, and that Christ was of the seed of Abraham, what must we believe, but that Mary was not a stranger to the family of David: and that it is not without reason that she was called the wife of Joseph, by reason of the close alliance of their hearts, although not mingled in the flesh; and that the genealogy is traced down to Joseph rather than to her by reason of the dignity of the husband? So therefore we believe that Mary was also of the family of David: because we believe the Scriptures, which assert both that Christ was of the seed of David according to the flesh, and that Mary was His Mother, not by sexual intercourse but retaining her virginity." For as Jerome says on Mat.1:18: "Joseph and Mary were of the same tribe: wherefore he was bound by law to marry her as she was his kinswoman. Hence it was that they were enrolled together at Bethlehem, as being descended from the same stock."

 

[norwegen]

TN keeps forgetting that the Jewish prophecy of the Messiah hasn’t been fulfilled yet because that won’t happen until the end of days.

The age did pass. What age do you think Jesus was executed in?