Jesus Was A Capitalist

[Andylusion]

Don't you just love it when the atheistic Militant Secularist suddenly appeal to religion?

So the Mail Order Bride from Hell has it right and the Pope has it wrong?

I don't believe in the Pope. I believe in Jesus.

what does "believe in Jesus" mean?

Believe in Jesus, means that when Jesus said in John 14:6 "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." that you believe that what Jesus said about himself is true.

That what he said is true, that no one.... meaning absolutely no one, can come to the father, except through Jesus. Not through the Pope, or church doctrine, or through confessionals (even if that can serve a purpose), but the only method of reaching G-d the father, is through Jesus Christ alone.

That's what I mean by 'believe in Jesus'. He is the only one that matters. The entire rest of the Bible, only has value in the fact that the words written before Jesus, point to Jesus, and the words written during Jesus life, were about Jesus life, and the words written after Jesus death, point back to Jesus Christ, the Son of the living G-d.

and the only value the words of any pastor, preacher, or religious leader has, is the value of their words preaching and teaching the words of the Bible, which teach of Jesus Christ.

That is what I mean by "Believe in Jesus". If the Pope preaches the words of Christ, or the doctrine of the Bible, then his words have value, not because he is Pope, but because he is teaching the Bible.

If the Pope deviates from the Bible and Christ, then his words have no more value Mien Kampf, Communist Manifesto, or Origin of Species. They are all dust and trash.

The Pope has made numerous statements as of late, that seem to contradict clearly stated Christian Biblical teaching.
The last one that I have read, was a statement “There is no hell, there is a disappearance of the sinful soul” at death.

This is clearly, and undeniably unbiblical. There is no question about it. But this is not unexpected. The Pope is merely a man in a white robe. He is not G-d, not Jesus, and not any different from any other flawed human being.

There is only one Jesus Christ, and G-d made sure to have a book written for us to know what is true and what is not.

oh-----no one know who "john" was------it is a very common Hebrew name----
YOCHANAN It means something like "god is gracious" and was probably
used by lots of people as a "pen name"--------a kinda JOHNSMITH. There is
no historical evidence that the stuff written by a "john" including the book of revulsions------ever met actual living Jesus.

Glad to know your opinion. Thanks, but I don't need your approval of what I said or think. You asked a question, and I answered the question.

Whether you agree with my reply or not, is up to you. I know the living G-d of Heaven, and Jesus his son. I know that G-d exists, as much as I know you exist.

So to put it simply, I am convinced, and believe in Jesus Christ the Lord.

 

[PoliticalChic]

18. So.....is socialism endorsed in the Bible????

Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'…the Bible advocates generosity.



These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.”

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, Liberalism, Progressivism, or Nazism.





And this is the face of government coercion.....

Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.
September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated."


Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.



Yet the same political view is embraced by the major political party, the same political party that once put American citizens in concentration camps.

 

[IM2]

18. So.....is socialism endorsed in the Bible????

Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'…the Bible advocates generosity.



These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.”

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, Liberalism, Progressivism, or Nazism.





And this is the face of government coercion.....

Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.
September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated."


Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.



Yet the same political view is embraced by the major political party, the same political party that once put American citizens in concentration camps.

You do understand the difference between political and economic systems don't you? Totalitarianism is not an economic system.

You might want to try actually studying the bible.

 

[IM2]

Don't you just love it when the atheistic Militant Secularist suddenly appeal to religion?

“The New York Times on Ash Wednesday displayed more sudden respect for religion, at least of the left-wing variety, in an opinion piece by veteran journalist, presidential historian, and former editor-in-chief of Newsweek Jon Meacham, “Jesus May Be the Best Hope Against an Amoral President.” The text box: “Religious history can inspire activists in the Trump resistance.”
Meacham, NY Times Get Religion: ‘Jesus May Be the Best Hope Against an Amoral President’ | NewsBusters


In this era of Bernie and the Socialist Party that he heads, this is an important…revelation: there is no support for socialism/communism in the Bible.


1.Although communism, socialism, Progressivism and Liberalism are all atheistic forms of Militant Secularism, they all use religion to sway the argument for government-as-god, in their favor. At its most basic level, the argument is that government will take care of the poor and the helpless, from cradle to grave, and hence the validity of over-taxation to grow government.

After all…".isn’t that what the Bible says to do?"


2. Let me provide the Bible quotes that the sophists might point to to support the idea that socialism/communism is advanced by scripture.

Luke 3:11 “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.”

1 John 3:17 " But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?"

Communism? Liberalism? Socialism?
Not hardly. An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'

"Some people conclude from these verses that the Bible supports government-enforced wealth redistribution. But what these verses really show is that the Bible advocates generosity.
These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.


3. “To get an accurate answer to our question, we need to define socialism. Socialism is the concentration of power into the hands of government elites to achieve the following purposes: central planning of the economy and the radical redistribution of wealth. Jesus never called for any of that.

4. Nowhere in the New Testament does he advocate for the government to punish the rich – or even to use tax money to help the poor. Nor does he promote the ideas of state ownership of businesses or central planning of the economy. In Luke 12, Jesus is confronted by a man who wants him to redistribute wealth. "Master," the man says to Jesus, "tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me." Jesus replies, "Man, who made me a judge or divider over you?" and then he rebukes the man for being envious of his sibling.” Was Jesus a Socialist?



5.Jesus gives evidence in Luke: 13Someone in the crowd said to Him, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.” 14But Jesus replied, “Man, who appointed Me judge or executor between you?”

15And He said to them, “Watch out! Guard yourselves against every form of greed, for one’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.”…


The Leftists should stick to quoting Marx, Stalin, and Sanders.

You might want to not use the bible in order to express your political beliefs. Because you have butchered the words of Jesus and you might need to seek forgiveness. For Jesus owned no property and had no bank account. And he demanded his followers to give up wealth to come with him. I don't think he advocated any particular economic system, but he did say that we are to do for those in need regardless of the system, be it economic, legal or political.

 

[PoliticalChic]

18. So.....is socialism endorsed in the Bible????

Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'…the Bible advocates generosity.



These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.”

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, Liberalism, Progressivism, or Nazism.





And this is the face of government coercion.....

Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.
September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated."


Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.



Yet the same political view is embraced by the major political party, the same political party that once put American citizens in concentration camps.

You do understand the difference between political and economic systems don't you? Totalitarianism is not an economic system.

You might want to try actually studying the bible.

Would you care to explain that to the hundred million plus that socialism/communism slaughtered, you dunce.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Don't you just love it when the atheistic Militant Secularist suddenly appeal to religion?

“The New York Times on Ash Wednesday displayed more sudden respect for religion, at least of the left-wing variety, in an opinion piece by veteran journalist, presidential historian, and former editor-in-chief of Newsweek Jon Meacham, “Jesus May Be the Best Hope Against an Amoral President.” The text box: “Religious history can inspire activists in the Trump resistance.”
Meacham, NY Times Get Religion: ‘Jesus May Be the Best Hope Against an Amoral President’ | NewsBusters


In this era of Bernie and the Socialist Party that he heads, this is an important…revelation: there is no support for socialism/communism in the Bible.


1.Although communism, socialism, Progressivism and Liberalism are all atheistic forms of Militant Secularism, they all use religion to sway the argument for government-as-god, in their favor. At its most basic level, the argument is that government will take care of the poor and the helpless, from cradle to grave, and hence the validity of over-taxation to grow government.

After all…".isn’t that what the Bible says to do?"


2. Let me provide the Bible quotes that the sophists might point to to support the idea that socialism/communism is advanced by scripture.

Luke 3:11 “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.”

1 John 3:17 " But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?"

Communism? Liberalism? Socialism?
Not hardly. An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'

"Some people conclude from these verses that the Bible supports government-enforced wealth redistribution. But what these verses really show is that the Bible advocates generosity.
These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.


3. “To get an accurate answer to our question, we need to define socialism. Socialism is the concentration of power into the hands of government elites to achieve the following purposes: central planning of the economy and the radical redistribution of wealth. Jesus never called for any of that.

4. Nowhere in the New Testament does he advocate for the government to punish the rich – or even to use tax money to help the poor. Nor does he promote the ideas of state ownership of businesses or central planning of the economy. In Luke 12, Jesus is confronted by a man who wants him to redistribute wealth. "Master," the man says to Jesus, "tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me." Jesus replies, "Man, who made me a judge or divider over you?" and then he rebukes the man for being envious of his sibling.” Was Jesus a Socialist?



5.Jesus gives evidence in Luke: 13Someone in the crowd said to Him, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.” 14But Jesus replied, “Man, who appointed Me judge or executor between you?”

15And He said to them, “Watch out! Guard yourselves against every form of greed, for one’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.”…


The Leftists should stick to quoting Marx, Stalin, and Sanders.

You might want to not use the bible in order to express your political beliefs. Because you have butchered the words of Jesus and you might need to seek forgiveness. For Jesus owned no property and had no bank account. And he demanded his followers to give up wealth to come with him. I don't think he advocated any particular economic system, but he did say that we are to do for those in need regardless of the system, be it economic, legal or political.

"Because you have butchered the words of Jesus ...."


Soooo.....why are you unable to find any examples of same????


Is it because you're a lying low-life???

 

[IM2]

18. So.....is socialism endorsed in the Bible????

Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'…the Bible advocates generosity.



These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.”

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, Liberalism, Progressivism, or Nazism.





And this is the face of government coercion.....

Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.
September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated."


Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.



Yet the same political view is embraced by the major political party, the same political party that once put American citizens in concentration camps.

You do understand the difference between political and economic systems don't you? Totalitarianism is not an economic system.

You might want to try actually studying the bible.

Would you care to explain that to the hundred million plus that socialism/communism slaughtered, you dunce.

Capitalism has slaughtered just as many. And that's just in the Congo. We won't talk about the Raj in India.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Look what just appeared, pretty much the thesis of this thread....


"Socialism 'kills' and is 'incompatible' with Christianity
Monday, March 2, 2020


... the failed system proves fatal to those who are subjugated under it, and that it is utterly incompatible with Christianity.

“[Socialism is] an economy that actually kills,” explained Catholic Answers Press in a news release issued Tuesday. “[There is] total incompatibility between socialist dogma and Christian truth.”

the basic tenets behind socialism must be rejected by all Christians and anyone else seeking prosperity and economic justice.

"Lots of people have no idea what socialism really is," Pakaluk points out. "They think it's about making everything fair and equal or having general concern for the poor, but they're not aware of its horrific consequences throughout history."

“Instead of abandoning private property and handing over the market to a collectivist state, Catholic Social Teaching calls for an economy that truly improves the lives of the poor through markets ‘enriched with virtue.’ while also properly subordinating wealth and material progress to the higher goods of faith, community and family,” the press release impresses."
Socialism 'kills' and is 'incompatible' with Christianity

 

[IM2]

Don't you just love it when the atheistic Militant Secularist suddenly appeal to religion?

“The New York Times on Ash Wednesday displayed more sudden respect for religion, at least of the left-wing variety, in an opinion piece by veteran journalist, presidential historian, and former editor-in-chief of Newsweek Jon Meacham, “Jesus May Be the Best Hope Against an Amoral President.” The text box: “Religious history can inspire activists in the Trump resistance.”
Meacham, NY Times Get Religion: ‘Jesus May Be the Best Hope Against an Amoral President’ | NewsBusters


In this era of Bernie and the Socialist Party that he heads, this is an important…revelation: there is no support for socialism/communism in the Bible.


1.Although communism, socialism, Progressivism and Liberalism are all atheistic forms of Militant Secularism, they all use religion to sway the argument for government-as-god, in their favor. At its most basic level, the argument is that government will take care of the poor and the helpless, from cradle to grave, and hence the validity of over-taxation to grow government.

After all…".isn’t that what the Bible says to do?"


2. Let me provide the Bible quotes that the sophists might point to to support the idea that socialism/communism is advanced by scripture.

Luke 3:11 “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.”

1 John 3:17 " But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?"

Communism? Liberalism? Socialism?
Not hardly. An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'

"Some people conclude from these verses that the Bible supports government-enforced wealth redistribution. But what these verses really show is that the Bible advocates generosity.
These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.


3. “To get an accurate answer to our question, we need to define socialism. Socialism is the concentration of power into the hands of government elites to achieve the following purposes: central planning of the economy and the radical redistribution of wealth. Jesus never called for any of that.

4. Nowhere in the New Testament does he advocate for the government to punish the rich – or even to use tax money to help the poor. Nor does he promote the ideas of state ownership of businesses or central planning of the economy. In Luke 12, Jesus is confronted by a man who wants him to redistribute wealth. "Master," the man says to Jesus, "tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me." Jesus replies, "Man, who made me a judge or divider over you?" and then he rebukes the man for being envious of his sibling.” Was Jesus a Socialist?



5.Jesus gives evidence in Luke: 13Someone in the crowd said to Him, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.” 14But Jesus replied, “Man, who appointed Me judge or executor between you?”

15And He said to them, “Watch out! Guard yourselves against every form of greed, for one’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.”…


The Leftists should stick to quoting Marx, Stalin, and Sanders.

You might want to not use the bible in order to express your political beliefs. Because you have butchered the words of Jesus and you might need to seek forgiveness. For Jesus owned no property and had no bank account. And he demanded his followers to give up wealth to come with him. I don't think he advocated any particular economic system, but he did say that we are to do for those in need regardless of the system, be it economic, legal or political.

"Because you have butchered the words of Jesus ...."


Soooo.....why are you unable to find any examples of same????


Is it because you're a lying low-life???

Well I think I did when I described how Jesus demanded they give up their wealth to follow him. That's pretty well documented in the gospels of the new testament.

 

[PoliticalChic]

18. So.....is socialism endorsed in the Bible????

Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'…the Bible advocates generosity.



These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.”

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, Liberalism, Progressivism, or Nazism.





And this is the face of government coercion.....

Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.
September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated."


Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.



Yet the same political view is embraced by the major political party, the same political party that once put American citizens in concentration camps.

You do understand the difference between political and economic systems don't you? Totalitarianism is not an economic system.

You might want to try actually studying the bible.

Would you care to explain that to the hundred million plus that socialism/communism slaughtered, you dunce.

Capitalism has slaughtered just as many. And that's just in the Congo. We won't talk about the Raj in India.

So you admit you were lying when you said "Because you have butchered the words of Jesus ...."

....and every quote I provided was correct and accurate?


Excellent.

 

[IM2]

Look what just appeared, pretty much the thesis of this thread....


"Socialism 'kills' and is 'incompatible' with Christianity
Monday, March 2, 2020


... the failed system proves fatal to those who are subjugated under it, and that it is utterly incompatible with Christianity.

“[Socialism is] an economy that actually kills,” explained Catholic Answers Press in a news release issued Tuesday. “[There is] total incompatibility between socialist dogma and Christian truth.”

the basic tenets behind socialism must be rejected by all Christians and anyone else seeking prosperity and economic justice.

"Lots of people have no idea what socialism really is," Pakaluk points out. "They think it's about making everything fair and equal or having general concern for the poor, but they're not aware of its horrific consequences throughout history."

“Instead of abandoning private property and handing over the market to a collectivist state, Catholic Social Teaching calls for an economy that truly improves the lives of the poor through markets ‘enriched with virtue.’ while also properly subordinating wealth and material progress to the higher goods of faith, community and family,” the press release impresses."
Socialism 'kills' and is 'incompatible' with Christianity

Onenewsnow is a fake news site that has no credibility.

 

[Andylusion]

In 2 Thessalonians 3:10, Paul said, “If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat”...

..... and one is led, ineluctably, away from socialism, and toward the greatest economic advance in the history of mankind:

capitalism.

the adage makes no sense. -----unless you DEFINE work---------can I steal
potatoes and claim "WORK" if I peel them?

There is definitely something wrong with you.

English is my second language....you appear not to have a first one.

It takes an immense lack of comprehension to be unable to understand this:

Ungleaned fields are left for the poor (Leviticus 19:10).


Again....?

Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor ...

where did I describe the situation any differently------I just left out your idiot
claim "work was demanded of them"---------like the work of opening the
door of the fridge? The work of picking up the stuff left in the field-----
ok-------we all "work" when we get into the car----DRIVE TO THE GROCERY
STORE-------and get the potatoes-----TWICE----earn the money---and the PICK
UP THE POTATOES. When I eat a sandwich -------I CHEW----work?

How would they pick up the fruits sans 'work'?

Are claiming not to understand the word work, you dunce?

And you claimed that picking up the fruit specifically left for the poor is for the landowner.....you're simply lying.

Your limited English is showing-----it was YOU who claimed that foraging on a
planted field is "work" -----not me. There was no benefit to the landowner----
it was IMPOSED CHARITY------something like a tax on land ownership as a
BENEFIT for the poor. --------a variety of socialism------sidewalks upon which
all can WALK -----is also a benefit for the poor

That is a massive leap of logic. To claim that "hey if you drop some grain, don't pick it up. Leave it for the poor", is equal to a tax, and a variety of socialism?

A tax is when you earn all you are going to earn, and the government confiscates part of it. That's a huge difference from leave some for the poor.

That's more like charity, because how much you leave is totally at the discretion of the land owner. The land owner could have a Billion dollars worth of grain, and leave $50 worth on the field, and that would meet that requirement.

Now in the New Testament, which is where Christian doctrine comes from, again we are supposed to help the poor, and we do. Christians are universally more charitable than non-religious people.

But it is still a choice. It's not imposed by government.

By the way, even the old testament law, wasn't really socialized. You didn't have government collecting the grain (from each according to their ability), and they were not doling it out to everyone who had need (to each according to their need). That never happened.

And there was no "wealth redistribution". The land owner was always, and remained the land owner. The poor, if they didn't find a way to earn a living, remained poor.

 

[IM2]

18. So.....is socialism endorsed in the Bible????

Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'…the Bible advocates generosity.



These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.”

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, Liberalism, Progressivism, or Nazism.





And this is the face of government coercion.....

Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.
September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated."


Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.



Yet the same political view is embraced by the major political party, the same political party that once put American citizens in concentration camps.

You do understand the difference between political and economic systems don't you? Totalitarianism is not an economic system.

You might want to try actually studying the bible.

Would you care to explain that to the hundred million plus that socialism/communism slaughtered, you dunce.

Capitalism has slaughtered just as many. And that's just in the Congo. We won't talk about the Raj in India.

So you admit you were lying when you said "Because you have butchered the words of Jesus ...."

....and every quote I provided was correct and accurate?


Excellent.

I admit that you butchered the words of Jesus, which you have.

 

[PoliticalChic]

18. So.....is socialism endorsed in the Bible????

Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'…the Bible advocates generosity.



These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.”

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, Liberalism, Progressivism, or Nazism.





And this is the face of government coercion.....

Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.
September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated."


Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.



Yet the same political view is embraced by the major political party, the same political party that once put American citizens in concentration camps.

You do understand the difference between political and economic systems don't you? Totalitarianism is not an economic system.

You might want to try actually studying the bible.

Would you care to explain that to the hundred million plus that socialism/communism slaughtered, you dunce.

Capitalism has slaughtered just as many. And that's just in the Congo. We won't talk about the Raj in India.

You're lying again.


"On the other hand, let’s take a look at secularism’s rich history of mass murder, and we need not go back a thousand years to make the point. Here are the 800 pound gorilla death totals from some notable secular leaders from the recent past (from the book Death by Government by R.J. Rummel):

Stalin....42,672,000

Mao.....37,828,000

Hitler....20,946,000

Lenin....4,017,000

Pol Pot...2,397,000

Chiang Kaishek...10,214,000

Tojo.....3,990,000

Total......122,064,000


It is Militant Secularism that kills and oppresses......

Only capitalism regards man as a sovereign individual with an inalienable right to his own life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Government recognition and protection of individual rights is the hallmark of a moral, peaceful, productive society.
Sipsey Street Irregulars: The lie before the crime. "Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz" ("The community comes before the individual")



You're pretty stupid, huh?

 

[IM2]

the adage makes no sense. -----unless you DEFINE work---------can I steal
potatoes and claim "WORK" if I peel them?

There is definitely something wrong with you.

English is my second language....you appear not to have a first one.

It takes an immense lack of comprehension to be unable to understand this:

Ungleaned fields are left for the poor (Leviticus 19:10).


Again....?

Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor ...

where did I describe the situation any differently------I just left out your idiot
claim "work was demanded of them"---------like the work of opening the
door of the fridge? The work of picking up the stuff left in the field-----
ok-------we all "work" when we get into the car----DRIVE TO THE GROCERY
STORE-------and get the potatoes-----TWICE----earn the money---and the PICK
UP THE POTATOES. When I eat a sandwich -------I CHEW----work?

How would they pick up the fruits sans 'work'?

Are claiming not to understand the word work, you dunce?

And you claimed that picking up the fruit specifically left for the poor is for the landowner.....you're simply lying.

Your limited English is showing-----it was YOU who claimed that foraging on a
planted field is "work" -----not me. There was no benefit to the landowner----
it was IMPOSED CHARITY------something like a tax on land ownership as a
BENEFIT for the poor. --------a variety of socialism------sidewalks upon which
all can WALK -----is also a benefit for the poor

That is a massive leap of logic. To claim that "hey if you drop some grain, don't pick it up. Leave it for the poor", is equal to a tax, and a variety of socialism?

A tax is when you earn all you are going to earn, and the government confiscates part of it. That's a huge difference from leave some for the poor.

That's more like charity, because how much you leave is totally at the discretion of the land owner. The land owner could have a Billion dollars worth of grain, and leave $50 worth on the field, and that would meet that requirement.

Now in the New Testament, which is where Christian doctrine comes from, again we are supposed to help the poor, and we do. Christians are universally more charitable than non-religious people.

But it is still a choice. It's not imposed by government.

By the way, even the old testament law, wasn't really socialized. You didn't have government collecting the grain (from each according to their ability), and they were not doling it out to everyone who had need (to each according to their need). That never happened.

And there was no "wealth redistribution". The land owner was always, and remained the land owner. The poor, if they didn't find a way to earn a living, remained poor.

You see where this argument fails is when you start talking about how the government isn't supposed to do things. The government is made up of humans. Jesus instructed humans to do things, that means humans who are in government are required to meet the same standards Jesus stated for eligibility for heavenly entry. All in the old testament you see unjust governments being destroyed because they refused to follow gods law.

 

[PoliticalChic]

18. So.....is socialism endorsed in the Bible????

Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'…the Bible advocates generosity.



These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.”

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, Liberalism, Progressivism, or Nazism.





And this is the face of government coercion.....

Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.
September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated."


Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.



Yet the same political view is embraced by the major political party, the same political party that once put American citizens in concentration camps.

You do understand the difference between political and economic systems don't you? Totalitarianism is not an economic system.

You might want to try actually studying the bible.

Would you care to explain that to the hundred million plus that socialism/communism slaughtered, you dunce.

Capitalism has slaughtered just as many. And that's just in the Congo. We won't talk about the Raj in India.

So you admit you were lying when you said "Because you have butchered the words of Jesus ...."

....and every quote I provided was correct and accurate?


Excellent.

I admit that you butchered the words of Jesus, which you have.

Let's check:

“How about Jesus's Parable of the Talents (talents were a form of money in Jesus's day)? A man entrusted three of his workers with his wealth. The two who invested the money and made a profit were praised and the one who buried his share so he wouldn't lose any of it was reprimanded. Sounds a lot more like an endorsement for capitalism than socialism, doesn't it?


Was Jesus promoting a socialist model when he kicked the "moneychangers" out of the Temple in Jerusalem? Again, the answer is no. Note the location where the incident occurred: it was in the holiest of places – God's house. Jesus was not angry at buying and selling in and of themselves; he was angry that these things happened in a house of prayer. He never drove a "moneychanger" from a marketplace or from a bank.”




….Jesus offers his Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard. In it, a landowner hires some laborers to pick grapes. Near the end of the day, he realizes he needs more workers to get the job done.

To recruit them, he agrees to pay a full day's wage for just one hour of work. When one of the laborers who had worked an entire day complains, the landowner answers, "I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn't you agree to work for a denarius? Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money?" That's a testament to the principles of supply and demand, of private property, and of voluntary contracts, not socialism.” Was Jesus a Socialist?



Can I get an "AMEN!!!"

 

[IM2]

18. So.....is socialism endorsed in the Bible????

Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'…the Bible advocates generosity.



These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.”

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, Liberalism, Progressivism, or Nazism.





And this is the face of government coercion.....

Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.
September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated."


Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.



Yet the same political view is embraced by the major political party, the same political party that once put American citizens in concentration camps.

You do understand the difference between political and economic systems don't you? Totalitarianism is not an economic system.

You might want to try actually studying the bible.

Would you care to explain that to the hundred million plus that socialism/communism slaughtered, you dunce.

Capitalism has slaughtered just as many. And that's just in the Congo. We won't talk about the Raj in India.

You're lying again.


"On the other hand, let’s take a look at secularism’s rich history of mass murder, and we need not go back a thousand years to make the point. Here are the 800 pound gorilla death totals from some notable secular leaders from the recent past (from the book Death by Government by R.J. Rummel):

Stalin....42,672,000

Mao.....37,828,000

Hitler....20,946,000

Lenin....4,017,000

Pol Pot...2,397,000

Chiang Kaishek...10,214,000

Tojo.....3,990,000

Total......122,064,000


It is Militant Secularism that kills and oppresses......

Only capitalism regards man as a sovereign individual with an inalienable right to his own life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Government recognition and protection of individual rights is the hallmark of a moral, peaceful, productive society.
Sipsey Street Irregulars: The lie before the crime. "Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz" ("The community comes before the individual")



You're pretty stupid, huh?

Over 100 million Africans died as a result of King Leopold. Over 1 billion in India were killed as a result of the British Raj. You know better than this child. I will embarrass you. I always do.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Look what just appeared, pretty much the thesis of this thread....


"Socialism 'kills' and is 'incompatible' with Christianity
Monday, March 2, 2020


... the failed system proves fatal to those who are subjugated under it, and that it is utterly incompatible with Christianity.

“[Socialism is] an economy that actually kills,” explained Catholic Answers Press in a news release issued Tuesday. “[There is] total incompatibility between socialist dogma and Christian truth.”

the basic tenets behind socialism must be rejected by all Christians and anyone else seeking prosperity and economic justice.

"Lots of people have no idea what socialism really is," Pakaluk points out. "They think it's about making everything fair and equal or having general concern for the poor, but they're not aware of its horrific consequences throughout history."

“Instead of abandoning private property and handing over the market to a collectivist state, Catholic Social Teaching calls for an economy that truly improves the lives of the poor through markets ‘enriched with virtue.’ while also properly subordinating wealth and material progress to the higher goods of faith, community and family,” the press release impresses."
Socialism 'kills' and is 'incompatible' with Christianity

Onenewsnow is a fake news site that has no credibility.

Since I effortlessly destroyed each of your posts, it appears you have no credibility....

True?

 

[PoliticalChic]

18. So.....is socialism endorsed in the Bible????

Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'…the Bible advocates generosity.



These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.”

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, Liberalism, Progressivism, or Nazism.





And this is the face of government coercion.....

Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.
September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated."


Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.



Yet the same political view is embraced by the major political party, the same political party that once put American citizens in concentration camps.

You do understand the difference between political and economic systems don't you? Totalitarianism is not an economic system.

You might want to try actually studying the bible.

Would you care to explain that to the hundred million plus that socialism/communism slaughtered, you dunce.

Capitalism has slaughtered just as many. And that's just in the Congo. We won't talk about the Raj in India.

You're lying again.


"On the other hand, let’s take a look at secularism’s rich history of mass murder, and we need not go back a thousand years to make the point. Here are the 800 pound gorilla death totals from some notable secular leaders from the recent past (from the book Death by Government by R.J. Rummel):

Stalin....42,672,000

Mao.....37,828,000

Hitler....20,946,000

Lenin....4,017,000

Pol Pot...2,397,000

Chiang Kaishek...10,214,000

Tojo.....3,990,000

Total......122,064,000


It is Militant Secularism that kills and oppresses......

Only capitalism regards man as a sovereign individual with an inalienable right to his own life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Government recognition and protection of individual rights is the hallmark of a moral, peaceful, productive society.
Sipsey Street Irregulars: The lie before the crime. "Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz" ("The community comes before the individual")



You're pretty stupid, huh?

Over 100 million Africans died as a result of King Leopold. Over 1 billion in India were killed as a result of the British Raj. You know better than this child. I will embarrass you. I always do.

8 million Africans

Under the reign of terror instituted by King Leopold II of Belgium (who ran the Congo Free State as his personal fief from 1885 to 1908), the population of the Congo was reduced by half -- as many as 8 million Africans (perhaps even 10 million, in Hochschild's opinion) lost their lives.Sep 1, 1998



It's like talking to a child who just makes stuff up.....

...please get lost.

 

[IM2]

You do understand the difference between political and economic systems don't you? Totalitarianism is not an economic system.

You might want to try actually studying the bible.

Would you care to explain that to the hundred million plus that socialism/communism slaughtered, you dunce.

Capitalism has slaughtered just as many. And that's just in the Congo. We won't talk about the Raj in India.

So you admit you were lying when you said "Because you have butchered the words of Jesus ...."

....and every quote I provided was correct and accurate?


Excellent.

I admit that you butchered the words of Jesus, which you have.

Let's check:

“How about Jesus's Parable of the Talents (talents were a form of money in Jesus's day)? A man entrusted three of his workers with his wealth. The two who invested the money and made a profit were praised and the one who buried his share so he wouldn't lose any of it was reprimanded. Sounds a lot more like an endorsement for capitalism than socialism, doesn't it?


Was Jesus promoting a socialist model when he kicked the "moneychangers" out of the Temple in Jerusalem? Again, the answer is no. Note the location where the incident occurred: it was in the holiest of places – God's house. Jesus was not angry at buying and selling in and of themselves; he was angry that these things happened in a house of prayer. He never drove a "moneychanger" from a marketplace or from a bank.”




….Jesus offers his Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard. In it, a landowner hires some laborers to pick grapes. Near the end of the day, he realizes he needs more workers to get the job done.

To recruit them, he agrees to pay a full day's wage for just one hour of work. When one of the laborers who had worked an entire day complains, the landowner answers, "I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn't you agree to work for a denarius? Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money?" That's a testament to the principles of supply and demand, of private property, and of voluntary contracts, not socialism.” Was Jesus a Socialist?



Can I get an "AMEN!!!"

Sorry kiddo, but Jesus owned no property, had no money, had no bank account, stated that it would be easier for a man to ride a camel through the eye of a needle than a rich man enter heaven. None of these things that you selectively choose not to use as scriptural defense indicates that Jesus was either a capitalist or socialist.