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I posted this, earlier:
The faith is Judeo-Christian….not two separate faiths.
The Old Testament laws remain in effect…as per Matthew 5:18 is the eighteenth verse of the fifth chapter of the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament and is part of the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus has just reported that he came not to destroy the law, but fulfil it. In this verse this claim is reinforced.
Matthew 5:17–18 is a key text for interpreting the Sermon on the Mount and the entire gospel of Matthew:
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Here Jesus says that not one iota (jot) or dot (tittle) will pass away from the law. These most likely refer to the smallest strokes of the Hebrew alphabet, indicating that the Old Testament is completely trustworthy, even to the smallest detail. This is consistent with Jesus’ attitude elsewhere. Never do we find Jesus disagreeing with Scripture.
And as for your note about allowing the poor to eat if they worked....absolutely correct.
Every seventh year, all consumer debts are to be abolished (Deuteronomy 15:1-2). Today, debt is one of the primary causes of bankruptcy and entrenched poverty.
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Ungleaned fields are left for the poor (Leviticus 19:10). Wealthy people are not to harvest every last bit of their crops—and poor people are required to work to collect their food." Is God a Socialist?
So....in the Bible we do not find support for communism, nor socialism....but rules that "preserve private incentive. No need for government-enforced wealth redistribution. No need for bureaucrats to decide how much wealth is one’s “fair share.” Ibid.
almost right-----the "gleaners law" ----as Christians express it---DOES NOT REQUIRE working for the benefit of the landholder----it is there for the taking.
You might consider picking the stuff up----"WORK" ??? Nope----it is forage.
ALSO parts of the field are available even outside of the harvest days for foragers. THAT IS THE SOCIALIST PART. Charity in jewish law is not
forced EXCEPT BY SOCIAL CUSTOM-----(pirkei avot----a minhag is stronger
than a din) Charity is ALSO a biggie for social prestige----even back then.
SHEEEEEESH -----you have never met a jew or been in a synagogue?
"almost right-----the "gleaners law" ----as Christians express it---DOES NOT REQUIRE working for the benefit of the landholder----it is there for the taking."
Wrong.....I am perfectly right.
What the heck is wrong with you???
Exactly what I wrote.
ok what sort of "work" did the people who walked OVER A HARVESTED FIELDs
and picked up the left overs do for the landowner "CLEAN UP DETAIL"?----
--it was not only legal foraging-----but REQUIRED TO BE ALLOWED BY LAW AND
CUSTOM------you are wrong. You got the recipe for the abortifacient used
by the Sanhedrin ? It was a trick------a kind of public, albeit----actually
harmless ordeal thing------more a "threat" than a reality. Not only was it
a theoretical ordeal for the woman-----the man got really humiliated by it
You wrote:
"almost right-----the "gleaners law" ----as Christians express it---DOES NOT REQUIRE working for the benefit of the landholder----it is there for the taking."
I wrote:
Ungleaned fields are left for the poor (Leviticus 19:10). Wealthy people are not to harvest every last bit of their crops—and poor people are required to work to collect their food." Is God a Socialist?
No where does that say it is for the benefit of any but the poor.
Work on your comprehension.
my comprehension is fine------you are considering foraging on someone elses
crop to be "WORK" ---------and you accuse me of limited comprehension?
I AM DELIGHTED--------I am taking a trip to apple country (in the fall) -----to
FORAGE AND CALL IT "WORK" ------more news--------even in the USA that is
called "theft"
btw-----in the SOVIET UNION-----foragers in planted fields were sent
to siberia
are you saying that the bible never condoned abortion?
I don't remember anywhere in the bible there being a discussion
of legal abortion
it's in the OT.
numbers 5: 11-31 is all about a husband bringing his wife to a priest... if his wife is even suspected of infidelity ... to consume a concoction that a priest will concoct to bring on a miscarriage; to give her 'the curse'. ever hear that expression ' i got the curse'? that's an expression (however antiquated) means when a female gets her period; & in the bible, it meant to bring on a miscarriage by bleeding.
that is a biblical phrase.
yeah? so? that is not an elective abortion-----it is just a trick
it's was certainly elective on the part of the husband who wasn't the pregnant (or suspected pregnant) one.
& there is no difference between forcing a woman to abort or forcing her to carry to term.
you remain confused-----the purpose of the ordeal was not abortion----the stuff
she drank ----THEORETICALLY ---would kill her. As far as I know-------
this ordeal thing never happened, it was a threat to BOTH husband and wife.
If the POISON did not work------the man was UTTERLY HUMILIATED and could
not even consider divorcing his wife for DA REST OF HIS LIFE. Try to cope
with reality. Abortion was never sanctioned in torah law. Today ------the PHARISEE interpretation prevails in Israel-------abortion to save the life of the
mother IS ALLOWED. If a woman wants an abortion she just CLAIMS----
"if I have another kid, I will kill myself" The man can hang around
holding a pistol to his head-------that strategy would not work
Ungleaned fields are left for the poor (Leviticus 19:10). Wealthy people are not to harvest every last bit of their crops—and poor people are required to work to collect their food." Is God a Socialist?
.
Who does not work should not eat. This runs contrary to Leftist dogma. They will of course bring up people who cannot work, which nobody demands to do what they cannot do. But Leftists are always dishonest. Mendacity is their métier, along with pride.
In 2 Thessalonians 3:10, Paul said, “If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat”...
..... and one is led, ineluctably, away from socialism, and toward the greatest economic advance in the history of mankind:
capitalism.
the adage makes no sense. -----unless you DEFINE work---------can I steal
potatoes and claim "WORK" if I peel them?
Hey dumbass homeschool dropout you cited YOURSELF!!!!!!So you are a home school dropout!and that is one of the main reasons I find conservatives like you so deplorably repulsive
harmonica posted an HONEST and LOGICALLY ACCEPTABLE position; jesus was just another guy
You have every right to disagree.
But instead of engaging in LOGICAL CIVIL debate with him you CHOSE TO MOCK and RIDICULE him!
that is just SOOOOOOOOO conservative.....
ok
now it is time for you to
1. defend your deplorable actions
2. accuse liberals of STARTING it
3. demand an apology from everyone
So you're a government school grad?
"So you're a government school grad?"
Ivy League grad.
And you?
That put a cork in his pie-hole.....
You want me to go away because I made a FOOL of you with your OWN words yet again!Hey dumbass homeschool dropout you cited YOURSELF!!!!!!So you are a home school dropout!So you're a government school grad?
"So you're a government school grad?"
Ivy League grad.
And you?
That put a cork in his pie-hole.....
Go play with the other children....stop wasting the time of the adults.
Ungleaned fields are left for the poor (Leviticus 19:10). Wealthy people are not to harvest every last bit of their crops—and poor people are required to work to collect their food." Is God a Socialist?
.
Who does not work should not eat. This runs contrary to Leftist dogma. They will of course bring up people who cannot work, which nobody demands to do what they cannot do. But Leftists are always dishonest. Mendacity is their métier, along with pride.
In 2 Thessalonians 3:10, Paul said, “If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat”...
..... and one is led, ineluctably, away from socialism, and toward the greatest economic advance in the history of mankind:
capitalism.
the adage makes no sense. -----unless you DEFINE work---------can I steal
potatoes and claim "WORK" if I peel them?
There is definitely something wrong with you.
English is my second language....you appear not to have a first one.
It takes an immense lack of comprehension to be unable to understand this:
Ungleaned fields are left for the poor (Leviticus 19:10).
Again....?
Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor ...
Don't you just love it when the atheistic Militant Secularist suddenly appeal to religion?
So the Mail Order Bride from Hell has it right and the Pope has it wrong?
I don't believe in the Pope. I believe in Jesus.
what does "believe in Jesus" mean?
You want me to go away because I made a FOOL of you with your OWN words yet again!Hey dumbass homeschool dropout you cited YOURSELF!!!!!!So you are a home school dropout!
"So you're a government school grad?"
Ivy League grad.
And you?
That put a cork in his pie-hole.....
Go play with the other children....stop wasting the time of the adults.
Ungleaned fields are left for the poor (Leviticus 19:10). Wealthy people are not to harvest every last bit of their crops—and poor people are required to work to collect their food." Is God a Socialist?
.
Who does not work should not eat. This runs contrary to Leftist dogma. They will of course bring up people who cannot work, which nobody demands to do what they cannot do. But Leftists are always dishonest. Mendacity is their métier, along with pride.
In 2 Thessalonians 3:10, Paul said, “If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat”...
..... and one is led, ineluctably, away from socialism, and toward the greatest economic advance in the history of mankind:
capitalism.
the adage makes no sense. -----unless you DEFINE work---------can I steal
potatoes and claim "WORK" if I peel them?
There is definitely something wrong with you.
English is my second language....you appear not to have a first one.
It takes an immense lack of comprehension to be unable to understand this:
Ungleaned fields are left for the poor (Leviticus 19:10).
Again....?
Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor ...
where did I describe the situation any differently------I just left out your idiot
claim "work was demanded of them"---------like the work of opening the
door of the fridge? The work of picking up the stuff left in the field-----
ok-------we all "work" when we get into the car----DRIVE TO THE GROCERY
STORE-------and get the potatoes-----TWICE----earn the money---and the PICK
UP THE POTATOES. When I eat a sandwich -------I CHEW----work?
being on welfare is WORK too-------stand in line and make the application -----PURE HELL
In 2 Thessalonians 3:10, Paul said, “If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat”...
..... and one is led, ineluctably, away from socialism, and toward the greatest economic advance in the history of mankind:
capitalism.
Don't you just love it when the atheistic Militant Secularist suddenly appeal to religion?
So the Mail Order Bride from Hell has it right and the Pope has it wrong?
I don't believe in the Pope. I believe in Jesus.
what does "believe in Jesus" mean?
Believe in Jesus, means that when Jesus said in John 14:6 "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." that you believe that what Jesus said about himself is true.
That what he said is true, that no one.... meaning absolutely no one, can come to the father, except through Jesus. Not through the Pope, or church doctrine, or through confessionals (even if that can serve a purpose), but the only method of reaching G-d the father, is through Jesus Christ alone.
That's what I mean by 'believe in Jesus'. He is the only one that matters. The entire rest of the Bible, only has value in the fact that the words written before Jesus, point to Jesus, and the words written during Jesus life, were about Jesus life, and the words written after Jesus death, point back to Jesus Christ, the Son of the living G-d.
and the only value the words of any pastor, preacher, or religious leader has, is the value of their words preaching and teaching the words of the Bible, which teach of Jesus Christ.
That is what I mean by "Believe in Jesus". If the Pope preaches the words of Christ, or the doctrine of the Bible, then his words have value, not because he is Pope, but because he is teaching the Bible.
If the Pope deviates from the Bible and Christ, then his words have no more value Mien Kampf, Communist Manifesto, or Origin of Species. They are all dust and trash.
The Pope has made numerous statements as of late, that seem to contradict clearly stated Christian Biblical teaching.
The last one that I have read, was a statement “There is no hell, there is a disappearance of the sinful soul” at death.
This is clearly, and undeniably unbiblical. There is no question about it. But this is not unexpected. The Pope is merely a man in a white robe. He is not G-d, not Jesus, and not any different from any other flawed human being.
There is only one Jesus Christ, and G-d made sure to have a book written for us to know what is true and what is not.
being on welfare is WORK too-------stand in line and make the application -----PURE HELL
What a stupid post.
being on welfare is WORK too-------stand in line and make the application -----PURE HELL
What a stupid post.
being on welfare is WORK too-------stand in line and make the application -----PURE HELL
What a stupid post.
Rosie should know what it's like to stand in line for welfare checks. Gimme, gimme, gimme. Vote Sanders!
Who does not work should not eat. This runs contrary to Leftist dogma. They will of course bring up people who cannot work, which nobody demands to do what they cannot do. But Leftists are always dishonest. Mendacity is their métier, along with pride.
In 2 Thessalonians 3:10, Paul said, “If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat”...
..... and one is led, ineluctably, away from socialism, and toward the greatest economic advance in the history of mankind:
capitalism.
the adage makes no sense. -----unless you DEFINE work---------can I steal
potatoes and claim "WORK" if I peel them?
There is definitely something wrong with you.
English is my second language....you appear not to have a first one.
It takes an immense lack of comprehension to be unable to understand this:
Ungleaned fields are left for the poor (Leviticus 19:10).
Again....?
Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor ...
where did I describe the situation any differently------I just left out your idiot
claim "work was demanded of them"---------like the work of opening the
door of the fridge? The work of picking up the stuff left in the field-----
ok-------we all "work" when we get into the car----DRIVE TO THE GROCERY
STORE-------and get the potatoes-----TWICE----earn the money---and the PICK
UP THE POTATOES. When I eat a sandwich -------I CHEW----work?
How would they pick up the fruits sans 'work'?
Are claiming not to understand the word work, you dunce?
And you claimed that picking up the fruit specifically left for the poor is for the landowner.....you're simply lying.
being on welfare is WORK too-------stand in line and make the application -----PURE HELL
What a stupid post.
actually ------it is a post of GREAT INSIGHT. Have you ever known people
"on welfare" ?
In 2 Thessalonians 3:10, Paul said, “If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat”...
..... and one is led, ineluctably, away from socialism, and toward the greatest economic advance in the history of mankind:
capitalism.
the adage makes no sense. -----unless you DEFINE work---------can I steal
potatoes and claim "WORK" if I peel them?
There is definitely something wrong with you.
English is my second language....you appear not to have a first one.
It takes an immense lack of comprehension to be unable to understand this:
Ungleaned fields are left for the poor (Leviticus 19:10).
Again....?
Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor ...
where did I describe the situation any differently------I just left out your idiot
claim "work was demanded of them"---------like the work of opening the
door of the fridge? The work of picking up the stuff left in the field-----
ok-------we all "work" when we get into the car----DRIVE TO THE GROCERY
STORE-------and get the potatoes-----TWICE----earn the money---and the PICK
UP THE POTATOES. When I eat a sandwich -------I CHEW----work?
How would they pick up the fruits sans 'work'?
Are claiming not to understand the word work, you dunce?
And you claimed that picking up the fruit specifically left for the poor is for the landowner.....you're simply lying.
Your limited English is showing-----it was YOU who claimed that foraging on a
planted field is "work" -----not me. There was no benefit to the landowner----
it was IMPOSED CHARITY------something like a tax on land ownership as a
BENEFIT for the poor. --------a variety of socialism------sidewalks upon which
all can WALK -----is also a benefit for the poor
