DOW Closing In On 25,000.Who Will Dems/Liberals/Liberal Hosts Give All Credit To?

[hadit]

They're close enough for idiots to fight over. The rest of us, not so much.

No, they're not. You all made wild claims about the market gains under Trump. Claims that are completely false and wrong. And even when you try to redefine the parameters and move the goalposts, you still end up being wrong.

At this point, it's time to pack it in and give up.

I made no claims about market gains under Trump. You might want to look that up.

 

[hadit]

You picked a time frame that did include a recession that did skew the numbers

How? The market was dropping when Obama took office. So even with the market dropping, in the middle of the recession that wouldn't end until AUGUST OF 2009, Obama still had better market growth than Trump through JULY OF 2009.

So Obama had grown the market by more than Trump did, in the middle of a recession.

because it causes the market to tumble, then recover to a certain extent.

You fucking clueless, lying shitbag. The market was tumbling when Obama entered office. In fact, the market didn't reach bottom until March 2009; TWO MONTHS INTO OBAMA'S TERM. And even with that, he still had better market growth than Trump.

You then proceeded to rub paint on your face and dance around the campfire, certain that you had managed to rehabilitate the abysmal Obama economic record from certain oblivion.

Obama's record doesn't need rehabilitation. He grew the economy more than Bush the Dumber did. He created 11.7M jobs, Bush the Dumber lost 400,000. He grew the market by 31% in his first year; Trump grew it by 25%. He reduced the deficit by 2/3 from where you assholes left it. He got the uninsured rate down to an historic low. And he did all that with no help from Conservatives. Now you're trying to take credit for the strong economy and tightened job market Trump inherited all to make yourself feel better on an internet message board? Fuck you. You don't get that credit. In fact, you get the blame for creating the fewest jobs since 2012, and for weaker market growth than Obama had in his first year.

What you fail to acknowledge, however, is that whatever you think Obama did to cause the market to rebound, Trump has done as well, and Trump didn't have the advantage of an artificially low starting point. One would have expected Obama to have ignited an economic boom, much as Reagan did, that would have put the recession in the nation's collective rear view mirror. Instead, he managed to drag everyone through painful daily reminders of poor economic conditions, IE the slowest economic recovery ever.

Trump has done NOTHING to help grow the economy, which is why job creation reached its lowest rate since 2012, and the market grew by 25% when in Obama's first year, it grew by 31%.

Secondly, Reagan didn't produce any economic boom. In fact, you probably don't remember because you were just a baby, but Reagan's presidency ended with the S&L Scandal which resulted in the largest taxpayer-funded bailout until Bush the Dumber's TARP, a deficit twice as large as the one he inherited, a near-tripling of the national debt (growing it more than any President before him...twice over), and the 1990-91 recession which was only fixed when Bush the Elder and Clinton raised taxes.

Reagan didn't create any conditions for an economic boom. He created conditions for a recession...and that's precisely what happened once he left office.

So dance around your campfire while the rest of the nation enjoys the renewed economic optimism that will benefit Trump quite a lot.

Trump has Obama to thank for this economy and job market.

The funny thing is, you can twist and shout however much you want, but presidents get credit and blame for what happens when they're in office. Reagan kicked off an incredible boom and got credit for it. Obama reigned over dismal times and got blame for that. Trump is in office now, when things are picking up, and he'll get credit for that. All five of you can mumble back and forth to each other all day long about how democrats are to blame for nothing and cause all good things to happen, but it won't help your cause.

 

[Moonglow]

Job Gains In 2017 Lag 2016 Numbers By An Average Of 13,000 Per Month, Agency Says : The Two-Way U.S. jobs growth has averaged 174,000 per month so far in2017, compared to an average monthly gain of 187,000 in 2016, the Bureau of Labor Statistics says.Dec 8, 2017
November Jobs Report: Economy Adds 228,000 Jobs; Unemployment Steady

Study some calculus and learn about limits.

If you are a 99 yards from the end zone, and get 1/2 way there on every succeeding play, will you ever get a touchdown? No. Eventually you'll get to a 4th down and have to punt, kick a field goal, or turn it over on downs.

The jobs numbers have to go down the closer we get to 0% unemployment. You can't hire people who are not looking for work.

Unemployment is so low in my area that wages are starting to creep up. Manufacturing jobs that once started at about $9.00 an hour are now paying $11.00 to start and that has happened in just the last few months. Anybody who wants to work can get a job.

Sooooooooo...then the words you're looking for are "thanks, Obama".

I do believe that is what he is saying covertly....

 

[Rexx Taylor]

So I guess there was a lot of confidence under Obama, since the stock market gained so much during his 2 terms. Right?

Wrong. Recovery is not gain. Business was so regulated under Obama that actual growth was impossible.

Trump is not responsible for the current rise, but the fact of his election.

we have gone from 8 years of 0.1% growth under Obama to 3.0 under Trump, and yet the left is giving Obama most of the credit? may as well give Nixon the credit as well !!

The job reports are higher under Oblama's last 5 years than Trump's first...But it's still good nudes....Except the energy and ag industries are struggling because of deflation...

You have pictures? Let's see!

I was wondering when that would snag an eyeball..

how can you create jobs on BORROWED TRILLIONS?

 

[Meathead]

Thank you President Obama and your administration for all the hard work. It is paying off .

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This is my prediction. Some point after the DOW surpasses 25,000. We will hear from Joe Biden, and he will speak of the Stimulus, Obama-Care, and a three letter word. J O B S. Yes, thanks to the stimulus, we are having a killer economy producing 500,000 jobs a month!

Obama was a most eloquent President in a most in-eloquent time. Even with the obstacles, his Presidency was certainly a success. He would have won a third term too if he could have run.

Sorry. Obama was faggish and a failure.

The contrast with Trump could not possibly be starker. It's Carter-Reagan again.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Wrong. Recovery is not gain. Business was so regulated under Obama that actual growth was impossible.

Trump is not responsible for the current rise, but the fact of his election.

we have gone from 8 years of 0.1% growth under Obama to 3.0 under Trump, and yet the left is giving Obama most of the credit? may as well give Nixon the credit as well !!

The job reports are higher under Oblama's last 5 years than Trump's first...But it's still good nudes....Except the energy and ag industries are struggling because of deflation...

You have pictures? Let's see!

I was wondering when that would snag an eyeball..

how can you create jobs on BORROWED TRILLIONS?

Good question. Since this tax bill borrows trillions, how do you expect jobs to be created?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You picked a time frame that did include a recession that did skew the numbers

How? The market was dropping when Obama took office. So even with the market dropping, in the middle of the recession that wouldn't end until AUGUST OF 2009, Obama still had better market growth than Trump through JULY OF 2009.

So Obama had grown the market by more than Trump did, in the middle of a recession.

because it causes the market to tumble, then recover to a certain extent.

You fucking clueless, lying shitbag. The market was tumbling when Obama entered office. In fact, the market didn't reach bottom until March 2009; TWO MONTHS INTO OBAMA'S TERM. And even with that, he still had better market growth than Trump.

You then proceeded to rub paint on your face and dance around the campfire, certain that you had managed to rehabilitate the abysmal Obama economic record from certain oblivion.

Obama's record doesn't need rehabilitation. He grew the economy more than Bush the Dumber did. He created 11.7M jobs, Bush the Dumber lost 400,000. He grew the market by 31% in his first year; Trump grew it by 25%. He reduced the deficit by 2/3 from where you assholes left it. He got the uninsured rate down to an historic low. And he did all that with no help from Conservatives. Now you're trying to take credit for the strong economy and tightened job market Trump inherited all to make yourself feel better on an internet message board? Fuck you. You don't get that credit. In fact, you get the blame for creating the fewest jobs since 2012, and for weaker market growth than Obama had in his first year.

What you fail to acknowledge, however, is that whatever you think Obama did to cause the market to rebound, Trump has done as well, and Trump didn't have the advantage of an artificially low starting point. One would have expected Obama to have ignited an economic boom, much as Reagan did, that would have put the recession in the nation's collective rear view mirror. Instead, he managed to drag everyone through painful daily reminders of poor economic conditions, IE the slowest economic recovery ever.

Trump has done NOTHING to help grow the economy, which is why job creation reached its lowest rate since 2012, and the market grew by 25% when in Obama's first year, it grew by 31%.

Secondly, Reagan didn't produce any economic boom. In fact, you probably don't remember because you were just a baby, but Reagan's presidency ended with the S&L Scandal which resulted in the largest taxpayer-funded bailout until Bush the Dumber's TARP, a deficit twice as large as the one he inherited, a near-tripling of the national debt (growing it more than any President before him...twice over), and the 1990-91 recession which was only fixed when Bush the Elder and Clinton raised taxes.

Reagan didn't create any conditions for an economic boom. He created conditions for a recession...and that's precisely what happened once he left office.

So dance around your campfire while the rest of the nation enjoys the renewed economic optimism that will benefit Trump quite a lot.

Trump has Obama to thank for this economy and job market.

The funny thing is, you can twist and shout however much you want, but presidents get credit and blame for what happens when they're in office. Reagan kicked off an incredible boom and got credit for it. Obama reigned over dismal times and got blame for that. Trump is in office now, when things are picking up, and he'll get credit for that. All five of you can mumble back and forth to each other all day long about how democrats are to blame for nothing and cause all good things to happen, but it won't help your cause.

The DJI went from the 6000s to the 19,000s under Obama, how is that dismal?

The unemployment rate went from a start of 7.8 to 4.8 under Obama, how is that dismal?

The last 4 years under Obama job creation averaged 214 thousands a month under Obama, 33 thousand more a month than under Trump so far, how is that dismal?

 

[BluesLegend]

Confidence and attitude. No "who".

So I guess there was a lot of confidence under Obama, since the stock market gained so much during his 2 terms. Right?

Wrong, Obama tried his best to undermine the economy with regulations and stupid shit liberal policies, the market rose in spite of Obama. Now that we got rid of that moron the market has taken off under pro business Trump.

But I was just told that the stock market goes up and down because of confidence. The stock market rose tremendously under Obama, so that must mean confidence was.......

I'll let you fill in the blank.

You liars cannot escape the fact that we can point to Obama's anti business policies, and Trump's pro business policies.

yet you havent named one.

Keystone pipeline HELLO

 

[The Derp]

The funny thing is, you can twist and shout however much you want

No, no. Hold on. Back up. Before you try to scamper off, we have to first address your wrongness. We can't move forward until you come to terms with the facts.

You screeched like a barnyard animal that it was unfair to start counting Obama's growth in the market from day one because the recession "skews" the numbers. How? You don't say. So then when I shorten the window to the first six months of Obama, what ends up being revealed is that Obama grew the market more than Trump did in that time frame, while the economy was in a recession. A recession that ended in August 2009. Yet, Obama's first six months take him through to July 20th, 2009. So Obama grew the market more than Trump did, during a recession.

Secondly, the market was tumbling when Obama took office and continued to tumble for about 2 more months until it finally reached its bottom in March of 2009. So you need to own up to the fact that you were spreading bullshit and arguing bullshit with me, even though you are well aware or capable of learning and knowing the facts.

Thirdly, you said Obama's record was "abysmal". You offer no specifics, you just state it as a statement of fact even though it's clearly not factual and is just your bullshit, unearned, entitled opinion. I provided you with metrics that, when compared to your guy Bush the Dumber, indicate anything by an "abysmal record", and in fact rivals that of your beloved Ronald Reagan, who only created three million more jobs than Obama, even though he tripled the debt and doubled the deficit, and left office in the midst of the S&L Scandal which would end up tanking the economy, causing a recession, and leading to the largest bailout until...Bush's TARP.

So we can't move forward in this discussion until you come to terms with reality and that your message is flawed, false, and bullshit.

Reagan kicked off an incredible boom and got credit for it.

What "boom"? All the perceived boom during Reagan was wiped out by the 1990-91 recession caused by the S&L Scandal, which Reagan was doing everything he could to encourage. Reagan didn't set the stage for the Clinton years. Reagan set the stage for the 1990-91 recession. Conservatards always skip over Bush the Elder. Apparently, you all think it went Reagan for 8 years, then Clinton for 8 years. It's like you pretend 1989-1992 never happened. Which is weird. Really weird.

Obama reigned over dismal times and got blame for that

So here's the problem with this statement; the economy is virtually the same now as it was in 2013-6, when Obama was President. So you can't say that he's responsible for the dismal times when there weren't dismal times. And what was the cause of the dismal times? Bush the Dumber's economic collapse and the morally and intellectually bankrupt Conservatives who put party before country and tried to obstruct everything Obama did. Why? Because if Conservatives had taken part in the recovery it would be a tacit admission that the policies they supported during Bush caused the economy to be recovered. And Conservatives are too cowardly and prideful to admit their governing ideologies are bullshit. So they obstructed Obama and appealed to America's deplorable racist know-nothings, and to Russia for help. The great embarrassment to modern American politics; Conservatism.

Trump is in office now, when things are picking up, and he'll get credit for that. All five of you can mumble back and forth to each other all day long about how democrats are to blame for nothing and cause all good things to happen, but it won't help your cause.

First of all, this is quite the different take you had before I provided you with some facts. Why is that? Do you always change debate tactics mid-stream like that?

 

[Meathead]

we have gone from 8 years of 0.1% growth under Obama to 3.0 under Trump, and yet the left is giving Obama most of the credit? may as well give Nixon the credit as well !!

The job reports are higher under Oblama's last 5 years than Trump's first...But it's still good nudes....Except the energy and ag industries are struggling because of deflation...

You have pictures? Let's see!

I was wondering when that would snag an eyeball..

how can you create jobs on BORROWED TRILLIONS?

Good question. Since this tax bill borrows trillions, how do you expect jobs to be created?

The idea is that the jobs that will be created will be generating wealth instead of consuming it. It may be a concept that government workers and free-loaders don't get.

 

[Rexx Taylor]

at least Trump didnt have to borrow 10 Trillion dollars last year to create a few million jobs! it was cutting the regulations that did it

 

[The Derp]

Sorry. Obama was faggish and a failure..

Homophobia is soooooooooooooooooo 2004. I bet you still have a Razr flip phone or a Blackberry, don't ya?

And if Obama's a "failure", then I guess that makes Trump and Bush the Dumber whatever is worse than a failure; I guess that makes Trump and Bush the Dumber you.

he contrast with Trump could not possibly be starker. It's Carter-Reagan again.

Reagan ended his term with the S&L Scandal, the largest bailout of all time (until TARP), the Iran-Contra scandal, and a recession that would hit a year later in 1990.

 

[The Derp]

at least Trump didnt have to borrow 10 Trillion dollars last year to create a few million jobs! it was cutting the regulations that did it

The federal deficit for 2017 is going to be above $1T and it's going to stay that high until a Democrat is elected and lowers it, like what happened last time.

 

[The Derp]

Keystone pipeline HELLO

What you don't realize about KXL is the ignorance its supporters bank on.

We already get Alberta Tar Sands sludge, and it already comes into the US via a pipeline. We bring in so much Tar Sands sludge, that it's actually oversupplied and is causing a price discount. KXL removes that price discount by opening up access for Tar Sands sludge to be piped down to the Gulf, where it will be sold on the global markets for a higher price than Midwest refineries currently pay due to the oversupply. So if the surplus is removed, then the price discounts midwest refineries enjoy will disappear, and the price of oil will rise. And what happens when oil prices rise? TransCanada makes billions, but you pay more at the pump.

 

[The Derp]

The idea is that the jobs that will be created will be generating wealth instead of consuming it. It may be a concept that government workers and free-loaders don't get.

Reagan created more government jobs than Obama did.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The idea is that the jobs that will be created will be generating wealth instead of consuming it. It may be a concept that government workers and free-loaders don't get.

Reagan created more government jobs than Obama did.

I am pretty sure that Reagan created more government jobs than anybody, ever.

 

[Meathead]

Reagan ended his term with the S&L Scandal, the largest bailout of all time (until TARP), the Iran-Contra scandal, and a recession that would hit a year later in 1990.

About the same time when the walls of your bleoved commusnism in Europe came tumbling down. You losrt then and yet again.

 

[BluesLegend]

Keystone pipeline HELLO

What you don't realize about KXL is the ignorance its supporters bank on.

We already get Alberta Tar Sands sludge, and it already comes into the US via a pipeline. We bring in so much Tar Sands sludge, that it's actually oversupplied and is causing a price discount. KXL removes that price discount by opening up access for Tar Sands sludge to be piped down to the Gulf, where it will be sold on the global markets for a higher price than Midwest refineries currently pay due to the oversupply. So if the surplus is removed, then the price discounts midwest refineries enjoy will disappear, and the price of oil will rise. And what happens when oil prices rise? TransCanada makes billions, but you pay more at the pump.

Thousands of jobs, good paying union jobs, axed by Obama suck it. What do you wish to discuss next the brand new coal mine Obama killed soon after he took office? More jobs lost. The Dem senators from West Virginia were livid with Obama and sent him a scathing letter for all the good it did.

 

[Meathead]

The idea is that the jobs that will be created will be generating wealth instead of consuming it. It may be a concept that government workers and free-loaders don't get.

Reagan created more government jobs than Obama did.

I am pretty sure that Reagan created more government jobs than anybody, ever.

Nah. that would be Obama.

 

[The Derp]

About the same time when the walls of your bleoved commusnism in Europe came tumbling down. You losrt then and yet again.

Walls that came tumbling down due to two things: Perestroika and Afghanistan. We had little to nothing to do with that.

The Red Sox broke the curse in 2004, are you going to give Bush credit for that?

Seriously.