Zone1 Alpha Male vs a Real Man... Are They the Same Thing?

[frigidweirdo]

Disclaimer: The following post is just my opinion. So it's OK if we disagree, I'm not stating this as an objective truth that everyone has to agree with.


Is an "alpha male" and a real man the same thing?

This question came to mind while I was reading another thread where people were describing Trump as an “alpha male.” The premise of that thread seemed to be that women love alpha males…and Trump is an alpha male, so that’s why women love Trump. I was going to reply on that thread, but then I figured this is actually an interesting topic that deserves a thread of its own.


I don’t want this thread to be only about Trump, so the only thing I’ll say about him is this...whether he's an alpha male or not, it always surprises me that people think of Trump as attractive. That got me thinking, what makes a man attractive? Is it simply being an alpha male, or is there something more than that? Then I thought, maybe I don't have the right definition of alpha male in mind.

So I looked up the definition, and here’s what I found:


“In a human context, an ‘alpha male’ is typically defined as a man who is dominant, assertive, and occupies a high social or professional status.”
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Ok, so if an alpha male is simply a man who is dominant, assertive, and has a high social or professional status....that's cool, but to me those qualities alone don’t necessarily make someone attractive. Or a real man, necessarily.

Of course, I can’t speak for all women; I can only speak for myself.


In my view, what good is it to be dominant, confident and assertive...or to have power or social status.…if one doesn’t also have truly admirable qualities like honesty, integrity, honor, and wisdom?


I would say that a real man, and a true leader, is someone who has strength of character, integrity, wisdom, courage, and other qualities that people can genuinely admire and respect....and confidence too. But not the kind of confidence that is pompous or arrogant. I think real confidence is paired with humility. And that may not be a quality that people tend to associate with an "alpha male"...but I would say that a real man or a true leader has humility. I mean, look at Jesus. From a Christian perspective, He is the highest power in the world, the King above all kings, yet he was humble and "lowly." (Matthew 11:29)

So I’m curious to know how other people see this.


Is an “alpha male” the same thing as a real man or a true leader? Or are they two completely different things?

And if you're a woman....is someone being an alpha male all it takes for you, or is there something more that makes a man attractive?

Or is this whole idea of "alpha male" a silly and unimportant concept? lol

An alpha male is clear what it is. It is the dominant male within a group. It's the one who growls and the others feel subdued.

A "real man" is a pain in the ass statement.

There was a thing from China where, after a smoking "ban" had been implemented but totally ignored by the police and the governments, a man smoking in a restaurant was told not to, then lashed out and said "you're not a real man, you don't smoke" as if that allowed him to smoke wherever he liked (and that is generally the view in China, men will smoke to be "real men").

In the US a "real man" might be someone who does what he thinks is "manly". The Mississippi dude at work, he thinks he's a "real man" because he can pick up loads of chairs. He treats his wife like shit, barely looks after his kid, is stoopid. But because he thinks he's "strong" that, for him, is a "real man".

Really for me, a "real man" doesn't exist. Men are all types of people, all types of attitude. I'd say a "good man" is x, y and z, and "bad man" is a, b and c.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I tend to agree that being an alpha male, and being a real man or true leader aren't mutually exclusive. Again I can't speak for all women, but I think it's safe to say that many women would be most attracted to someone who is both...as opposed to someone who is in that first category you described. Thanks.




It's interesting to hear the different thoughts on this, thank you. Good point that real men don't go out aggressively seeking confrontation (like young guys who get into fights for stupid reasons, at the drop of a hat.) I think that self-control is a very important and admirable trait, that is part of being mature and wise. Thanks again.

I think that a "real man" is subjective. It depends on what qualities you think make a "real man" and in fact, it's just a word that is basically meaningless. If you say "I'm a real man" you're not communicating much, you have to explain what you mean by that.

Mostly I think a man who called himself a "real man" would be arrogant.
A woman who calls a man a "real man" would be stating her preferences.

 

[Leo123]

Disclaimer: The following post is just my opinion. So it's OK if we disagree, I'm not stating this as an objective truth that everyone has to agree with.


Is an "alpha male" and a real man the same thing?

This question came to mind while I was reading another thread where people were describing Trump as an “alpha male.” The premise of that thread seemed to be that women love alpha males…and Trump is an alpha male, so that’s why women love Trump. I was going to reply on that thread, but then I figured this is actually an interesting topic that deserves a thread of its own.


I don’t want this thread to be only about Trump, so the only thing I’ll say about him is this...whether he's an alpha male or not, it always surprises me that people think of Trump as attractive. That got me thinking, what makes a man attractive? Is it simply being an alpha male, or is there something more than that? Then I thought, maybe I don't have the right definition of alpha male in mind.

So I looked up the definition, and here’s what I found:


“In a human context, an ‘alpha male’ is typically defined as a man who is dominant, assertive, and occupies a high social or professional status.”
​

Ok, so if an alpha male is simply a man who is dominant, assertive, and has a high social or professional status....that's cool, but to me those qualities alone don’t necessarily make someone attractive. Or a real man, necessarily.

Of course, I can’t speak for all women; I can only speak for myself.


In my view, what good is it to be dominant, confident and assertive...or to have power or social status.…if one doesn’t also have truly admirable qualities like honesty, integrity, honor, and wisdom?


I would say that a real man, and a true leader, is someone who has strength of character, integrity, wisdom, courage, and other qualities that people can genuinely admire and respect....and confidence too. But not the kind of confidence that is pompous or arrogant. I think real confidence is paired with humility. And that may not be a quality that people tend to associate with an "alpha male"...but I would say that a real man or a true leader has humility. I mean, look at Jesus. From a Christian perspective, He is the highest power in the world, the King above all kings, yet he was humble and "lowly." (Matthew 11:29)

So I’m curious to know how other people see this.


Is an “alpha male” the same thing as a real man or a true leader? Or are they two completely different things?

And if you're a woman....is someone being an alpha male all it takes for you, or is there something more that makes a man attractive?

Or is this whole idea of "alpha male" a silly and unimportant concept? lol

All males are born to be alpha. Some males are more alpha than others unless the are beta which is a mental illness for a man, but a highly prized feminine trait.

 

[Dorian Mode]

All males are born to be alpha. Some males are more alpha than others unless the are beta which is a mental illness for a man, but a highly prized feminine trait.

Could be. Then the public school system gets a hold of those alpha males and convinces them to chop off their genitalia to become less toxic and more malleable in order to make sure they vote dumocrap for their whole lives. And losing their genitalia causes all of them to go on public political forums and bash Trump all day long, and obsess over Epstein, both in a very creepy way. Any dumocraps ever wonder why dumocrap politicians always send their children to private schools?

 

[Muhammed]

Cool, trump NEVER admitted to "IT"

Neat. That exonerates him, right? Locker Room talk. Exoneration...right.

Don't you LYNDEN folks have a MORAL clause?
For Fuccckks Sakes, you have a "mowing your lawn" clause. FACT.

There's nothing wrong with grabbing ***** in the first place. Being heterosexual is not illegal.

You probably go around grabbing dicks.

 

[Dorian Mode]

There's nothing wrong with grabbing ***** in the first place. Being heterosexual is not illegal.

What the left refuses to acknowledge is that gold diggers were lining up for country miles to have a chance at Trump, he didn't have to grab anything, all those women were throwing it at him. Most women, and most of them were dumocraps, were obsessed with Trump for a long, long time. And probably secretly still are. And since the arrival of Identity Politics and the ultra-feminization of the dumocrap party, most "men" in the dumocrap party are also obsessed with Trump in a creepy sexual manner as well.

 

[Correll]

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I don’t want this thread to be only about Trump, so the only thing I’ll say about him is this...whether he's an alpha male or not, it always surprises me that people think of Trump as attractive. That got me thinking, what makes a man attractive? Is it simply being an alpha male, or is there something more than that? Then I thought, maybe I don't have the right definition of alpha male in mind.

So I looked up the definition, and here’s what I found:


“In a human context, an ‘alpha male’ is typically defined as a man who is dominant, assertive, and occupies a high social or professional status.”
​

Ok, so if an alpha male is simply a man who is dominant, assertive, and has a high social or professional status....that's cool, but to me those qualities alone don’t necessarily make someone attractive. Or a real man, necessarily.


Of course, I can’t speak for all women; I can only speak for myself.


In my view, what good is it to be dominant, confident and assertive...or to have power or social status.…if one doesn’t also have truly admirable qualities like honesty, integrity, honor, and wisdom?


Considering the way that we have a lot of ALPHA men, in media, or sports, forexample, that go though women like crap though a goose,

it is clear that your liking of Humility, or other admirable qualities, is not a minus to women, generally speaking.

I would say that a real man, and a true leader, is someone who has strength of character, integrity, wisdom, courage, and other qualities that people can genuinely admire and respect....and confidence too. But not the kind of confidence that is pompous or arrogant. I think real confidence is paired with humility. And that may not be a quality that people tend to associate with an "alpha male"...but I would say that a real man or a true leader has humility. I mean, look at Jesus. From a Christian perspective, He is the highest power in the world, the King above all kings, yet he was humble and "lowly." (Matthew 11:29)

So I’m curious to know how other people see this.


Also, you clearly have very strong feelings on Trump. That makes him a terrible example for you to consider this issue. You are unlikely to be able to seperate out your personal feelings on TRUMP, from the general lessons on ALPHA vs REAL.

Is an “alpha male” the same thing as a real man or a true leader? Or are they two completely different things?

And if you're a woman....is someone being an alpha male all it takes for you, or is there something more that makes a man attractive?

Or is this whole idea of "alpha male" a silly and unimportant concept? lol

It is not unimportant.

Alpha is about being dominant, or a leader. A real man is about, imo, taking care of his responsibilities.

A man could be a REAL MAN, ie taking care of his familiy for example, being strong, being respected at work, and by his peers, but without being a leader.

 

[Dorian Mode]

Also, you clearly have very strong feelings on Trump. That makes him a terrible example for you to consider this issue. You are unlikely to be able to seperate out your personal feelings on TRUMP, from the general lessons on ALPHA vs REAL.

People who have strong feelings, especially hate, for Trump really need to ask themselves how this came along, was it natural or did political propaganda create it. For example, women adored Trump for the longest time, but when he beat Hillary Clinton he was demonized by the establishment and the MSM and the flock fell for it. Ditto for the black community. In less than 3 years a sizable proportion of the country is going to need deep psychiatric help to get them to forget about Trump and transfer all of the hate over to Vance. I almost feel bad for the dumocraps and what they are going to have to go through.

 

[Mashmont]

I was going to reply to this post, point by point. But Saxon already said numerous things to you that I agree with. So for now I really don't feel like going over this AGAIN. (I've gone over my thoughts on Trump and why I never got on the Trump train, what feels like hundreds of times on different threads.) I might still reply later, since you misrepresented my reason for not supporting him... and since you said a couple things that were so stunning to me, I just about fell off my chair. Then again, I didn't want this thread to turn into yet another fight about Trump, so....I might not.

You and Saxon are in the 15% minority of the GOP who don’t support Trump. Saxon’s claims are so ridiculous, I like you, haven’t decided if I will respond to him point by point. I’ve done it so often, and laid out the case for Trump so well, it’s just stunning people will try to deny it. But again, it’s just the small minority of Republicans who have let their judgment be clouded and parrot leftwing talking points verbatim.

 

[Mashmont]

Does westwall ever discuss?

Between you westwall (80+ and Stryder50 (75+)
Do you OLD men have anything to offer?

Let's discuss trump being "Moral". Puvvy talk, rape allegations, war crimes, emalumates (SP) crimes, and fricking porn stars. Let's go.

Serious question: Are you a chick or just an androgynous-looking male? Or is your avatar someone else?

 

[braalian]

Serious question: Are you a chick or just an androgynous-looking male? Or is your avatar someone else?

It looks like a child

 

[braalian]

The Mississippi dude at work, he thinks he's a "real man" because he can pick up loads of chairs. He treats his wife like shit, barely looks after his kid, is stoopid. But because he thinks he's "strong" that, for him, is a "real man".

Weirdly specific. Someone you know?

 

[westwall]

Does westwall ever discuss?

Between you westwall (80+ and Stryder50 (75+)
Do you OLD men have anything to offer?

Let's discuss trump being "Moral". Puvvy talk, rape allegations, war crimes, emalumates (SP) crimes, and fricking porn stars. Let's go.

Why bother, you repeat the same old lies everytime. You don't discuss, you spew propaganda.

 

[Mashmont]

I asked because of the mention of Charles Manson, who definitely had influence over his female fan club and convinced them to commit brutal, heinous murders on his behalf, and I was wondering if Luigi Mangione, who also has a female fan club, could be considered an alpha male on the order of Manson.

Like you, I don't see him being an alpha male, and yet women are drawn to him, certainly not for being an alpha male, but perhaps for being a bad boy. And he could probably influence them to do things for him based on their attraction to him, but certainly nothing on the magnitude of Manson, especially since Mangione's act of homicide was targeted and confined rather than part of a large-scale campaign of terror and so-called helter skelter.

But the idea that Mangione is a psyop is fascinating, especially as that begs the question, for what purpose?

You don’t have to be an alpha male to attract women. All the androgynous teen idol singers over the years prove that.

 

[JohnDB]

IDF women are HOT.
Carrying the gun? Not relevant.

 

[Robert W]

A "natural leader" does not necessarily lead their followers in the "right direction". Think Jim Jones or Charles Manson.

I do agree that a "true leader" has intelligence, wisdom, and character. I have met a few alphas in my work. Highly organized, wonderful to work with. Able to assess your skills and abilities quickly, and to bring out the best in those who surround him/her.

There is a law in sales, and I will now reveal it.

People don't buy things, they buy benefits.

Apply that to management.
Great managers operate to get benefits.
Not to show off they were hired as the manager.

 

[Correll]

Why bother, you repeat the same old lies everytime. You don't discuss, you spew propaganda.

You just described pretty much every leftie.

 

[Hafar1014]

There is a law in sales, and I will now reveal it.

People don't buy things, they buy benefits.

Apply that to management.
Great managers operate to get benefits.
Not to show off they were hired as the manager.

Im an alpha male and started 5 businesses. The best way to get workers to do their best is to encourage them especially when they are struggling

 

[Robert W]

Im an alpha male and started 5 businesses. The best way to get workers to do their best is to encourage them especially when they are struggling

Right, you aimed for benefits and perhaps got them.
I enjoy talking to posters like you since you have similar experiences to me. I started companies as well. My workers varied since the companies also varied.

 

[buttercup]

An alpha male is clear what it is. It is the dominant male within a group. It's the one who growls and the others feel subdued.

A "real man" is a pain in the ass statement.

There was a thing from China where, after a smoking "ban" had been implemented but totally ignored by the police and the governments, a man smoking in a restaurant was told not to, then lashed out and said "you're not a real man, you don't smoke" as if that allowed him to smoke wherever he liked (and that is generally the view in China, men will smoke to be "real men").

In the US a "real man" might be someone who does what he thinks is "manly". The Mississippi dude at work, he thinks he's a "real man" because he can pick up loads of chairs. He treats his wife like shit, barely looks after his kid, is stoopid. But because he thinks he's "strong" that, for him, is a "real man".

Really for me, a "real man" doesn't exist. Men are all types of people, all types of attitude. I'd say a "good man" is x, y and z, and "bad man" is a, b and c.

Just because some people have false or ridiculous ideas on what a real man is....doesn't mean that it's entirely subjective. Yes we all have different thoughts and opinions on it... I even stated in the OP that the post is my opinion, I'm not stating it as an objective truth. However.... I think we can all agree on at least SOME things. A real man is not the same thing as a boy, right? And I'm not talking about one's physical body. Let me ask you this. In your view, what differentiates a boy from a man, in the non-physical sense?