Zone1 Alpha Male vs a Real Man... Are They the Same Thing?

[Robert W]

Just because some people have false or ridiculous ideas on what a real man is....doesn't mean that it's entirely subjective. Yes we all have different thoughts and opinions on it... I even stated in the OP that the post is my opinion, I'm not stating it as an objective truth. However.... I think we can all agree on at least SOME things. A real man is not the same thing as a boy, right? And I'm not talking about one's physical body. Let me ask you this. In your view, what differentiates a boy from a man, in the non-physical sense?

A real woman is you. A genuine curious woman that is intelligent and kind. PoliticalChic is also one.

 

[buttercup]

Alpha is about being dominant, or a leader. A real man is about, imo, taking care of his responsibilities.

A man could be a REAL MAN, ie taking care of his familiy for example, being strong, being respected at work, and by his peers, but without being a leader.

Thanks. A lot of people who replied have said that...or something similar. I agree that not all men are "leaders" in the sense of having the skills to be a CEO, or commander-in-chief, or leader of a movement, etc. But in response to your second paragraph...if a man is taking care of his family, raising kids, being a good role model, etc... then that is being a leader, in a way, right? Of course the same can be said about a lot of people, men or women, who have certain responsibilities, or have to manage others. Just kinda thinking out loud here.

 

[buttercup]

A real woman is you. A genuine curious woman that is intelligent and kind. PoliticalChic is also one.

Aw, thank you so much! I try to be civil, because I prefer discussions or debates where people are actually exchanging ideas and listening to what other people have to say, as opposed to just a mud pit of nastiness and ad homs. However, I admit, I don't always succeed, like most of us here, haha. Thanks again for the kind words.

 

[Dorian Mode]

Aw, thank you so much! I try to be civil, because I prefer discussions or debates where people are actually exchanging ideas and listening to what other people have to say, as opposed to just a mud pit of nastiness and ad homs. However, I admit, I don't always succeed, like most of us here, haha. Thanks again for the kind words.

You seem like a decent person, but you are in the wrong place if you want honest political discussion and debates. Those died when the GOP impeached Clinton (the worst political blunder ever). Discussion and debates have been replaced with war. There is no truth in war. Now it is a death fight to the finish. Thank God the GOP has Trump and the dumocraps are on the ropes.

 

[Robert W]

You seem like a decent person, but you are in the wrong place if you want honest political discussion and debates. Those died when the GOP impeached Clinton (the worst political blunder ever). Discussion and debates have been replaced with war. There is no truth in war. Now it is a death fight to the finish. Thank God the GOP has Trump and the dumocraps are on the ropes.

She can't control others but so far as I am reading her, she is doing very well.

 

[buttercup]

You seem like a decent person, but you are in the wrong place if you want honest political discussion and debates. Those died when the GOP impeached Clinton (the worst political blunder ever). Discussion and debates have been replaced with war. There is no truth in war. Now it is a death fight to the finish. Thank God the GOP has Trump and the dumocraps are on the ropes.

I agree that the division and animosity has gotten increasingly worse, to the point we're at now, where it's off the charts. But since you brought it up, I have to say, I see the entire thing very differently than you. I'm not sure I want to get into it though, on this thread. It's a topic in and of itself... and it's something I've shared my thoughts on many times on other threads. But if you or someone else wants to start a new thread on that topic (of the 'war' between left and right) I would probably chime in. Maybe not til late tonight though, cause I have a lot of things I have to do today that I haven't gotten to yet. Thanks.

 

[MarathonMike]

You know so little.

You're very dumb, and you probably think you're an Alpha. However, what works in your favor is many so-called Alpha's have more testosterone than they do brains. We know you're lacking one of those two.

For such an insulting reply, you said nothing to refute what DorianMode stated. He was quite accurate.

 

[MarathonMike]

Getting back to the original discussion, I would differentiate an Alpha man from a Real man this way. Alpha men make great leaders of men as explorers, soldiers, sports teams etc. They often do not make great husbands and Fathers. They actually prefer the camaraderie of being around other Alpha males than the day to day life of marriage and kids. Real men are more patient and compassionate making them better at being Husbands and Fathers.

 

[Hafar1014]

Right, you aimed for benefits and perhaps got them.
I enjoy talking to posters like you since you have similar experiences to me. I started companies as well. My workers varied since the companies also varied.

I hired a lot of family members good luck telling them what to do

 

[Robert W]

I hired a lot of family members good luck telling them what to do

My first two companies I formed had hourly workers, and of course what they did was up to me to manage.
My last two used contract workers and they set their hours and performed appraisals for me and later handled customers who wanted loans.

 

[Stryder50]

Oh aren't you so PURE.
FU and your claim of excellence.
I can respect your intelligence, yet you cannot concur.
Why is that?

"Intelligence" is an attribute and rather difficult to change. Something basically born with and that can not be altered or 'built' upon (easily at least).
Nominally I've considered you "intelligent" to a degree, but misguided, misdirected, and misapplied. i.e. you've squandered and abused the intelligence you were born with. (That is correctable/changeable. )

On the other hand; "lowlife, immoral, poor character type you've displayed as." are traits which can be developed and/or changed (if one desires to).

The fact that you can't/fail to distinguish the difference might be seen as proof you do have 'intelligence' issues/shortcomings.

 

[Stryder50]

My first two companies I formed had hourly workers, and of course what they did was up to me to manage.
My last two used contract workers and they set their hours and performed appraisals for me and later handled customers who wanted loans.

If I understand, you started with those who were paid to just 'punching in the clock' and putting their time in, then transitioned to those who were paid based upon merit and productivity, actually doing something of value.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Just because some people have false or ridiculous ideas on what a real man is....doesn't mean that it's entirely subjective. Yes we all have different thoughts and opinions on it... I even stated in the OP that the post is my opinion, I'm not stating it as an objective truth. However.... I think we can all agree on at least SOME things. A real man is not the same thing as a boy, right? And I'm not talking about one's physical body. Let me ask you this. In your view, what differentiates a boy from a man, in the non-physical sense?

An "alpha male" has a talent/gift for being a leader socially or creating wealth. Has nothing to do with character. Sociopaths and psychopaths can be "alpha males". Jim Jones was an "alpha male ". Yes, Donald Trump is viewed by almost everyone to be an alpha male. That description by itself can be good or bad.

A "real man" has CHARACTER. For me that character is based on God's Law and expressing His character in your daily life.

These are DIFFERENT descriptions of a man

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Those died when the GOP impeached Clinton (the worst political blunder ever).

He was rightfully impeached for lying under oath. Time to accept that and move on

 

[Dorian Mode]

For such an insulting reply, you said nothing to refute what DorianMode stated. He was quite accurate.

Insults by the left is a sign that they have nothing else better to offer.

 

[Crepitus]

Disclaimer: The following post is just my opinion. So it's OK if we disagree, I'm not stating this as an objective truth that everyone has to agree with.


Is an "alpha male" and a real man the same thing?

This question came to mind while I was reading another thread where people were describing Trump as an “alpha male.” The premise of that thread seemed to be that women love alpha males…and Trump is an alpha male, so that’s why women love Trump. I was going to reply on that thread, but then I figured this is actually an interesting topic that deserves a thread of its own.


I don’t want this thread to be only about Trump, so the only thing I’ll say about him is this...whether he's an alpha male or not, it always surprises me that people think of Trump as attractive. That got me thinking, what makes a man attractive? Is it simply being an alpha male, or is there something more than that? Then I thought, maybe I don't have the right definition of alpha male in mind.

So I looked up the definition, and here’s what I found:


“In a human context, an ‘alpha male’ is typically defined as a man who is dominant, assertive, and occupies a high social or professional status.”
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Ok, so if an alpha male is simply a man who is dominant, assertive, and has a high social or professional status....that's cool, but to me those qualities alone don’t necessarily make someone attractive. Or a real man, necessarily.

Of course, I can’t speak for all women; I can only speak for myself.


In my view, what good is it to be dominant, confident and assertive...or to have power or social status.…if one doesn’t also have truly admirable qualities like honesty, integrity, honor, and wisdom?


I would say that a real man, and a true leader, is someone who has strength of character, integrity, wisdom, courage, and other qualities that people can genuinely admire and respect....and confidence too. But not the kind of confidence that is pompous or arrogant. I think real confidence is paired with humility. And that may not be a quality that people tend to associate with an "alpha male"...but I would say that a real man or a true leader has humility. I mean, look at Jesus. From a Christian perspective, He is the highest power in the world, the King above all kings, yet he was humble and "lowly." (Matthew 11:29)

So I’m curious to know how other people see this.


Is an “alpha male” the same thing as a real man or a true leader? Or are they two completely different things?

And if you're a woman....is someone being an alpha male all it takes for you, or is there something more that makes a man attractive?

Or is this whole idea of "alpha male" a silly and unimportant concept? lol

Anyone who claims to be an "alpha male" is the antithesis of one.

 

[Dorian Mode]

He was rightfully impeached for lying under oath. Time to accept that and move on

True, but the old GOP was in the driver's seat already, they controlled most of the swamp and the establishment at the time, and it would have been better for them to keep the uniparty status quo. They underestimated how pissed off the dumocraps can get and unleashed an evil beast that eventually cost them control of the swamp and the gravy train. The evil beast is wounded today, but things change quickly in politics. We are possibly one midterm election away from the dumocraps getting back to power.

 

[buttercup]

An "alpha male" has a talent/gift for being a leader socially or creating wealth. Has nothing to do with character. Sociopaths and psychopaths can be "alpha males". Jim Jones was an "alpha male ". Yes, Donald Trump is viewed by almost everyone to be an alpha male. That description by itself can be good or bad.

A "real man" has CHARACTER. For me that character is based on God's Law and expressing His character in your daily life.

These are DIFFERENT descriptions of a man

Thank you for stating that distinction in a clear way. I agree with your take on it. I was going to illustrate what you said with theoretical examples, but it seems to me that most here who replied on this thread see this in a similar way and have already brought up examples.

Btw, this reminds me of a quote that I used recently for my signature. It's a quote by Fyodor Dostoevsky: “It takes something more than intelligence to act intelligently.” I think something similar could be said in regard to this topic. Like you, I believe it comes down to character and wisdom. (which is different than intelligence, and the good news is it's something that anyone can learn and acquire.)

 

[initforme]

You don’t have to be an alpha male to attract women. All the androgynous teen idol singers over the years prove that.

Young people are becoming more independent and are showing strength by not marrying. A sign of a society getting stronger.

 

[gtopa1]

Good concise answer, thanks. You might ruffle some feathers with that answer... because it seems to me that guys always put the whole idea of an "alpha male" on such a pedestal. But as I already said in the OP, I think there's so much more that makes someone a man who people would want to follow. Thanks again.

"Alpha" is a pretty dumb term really. Usually it's used to mean a boorish self-important oaf without any social graces; a bully even.

Liberty's got it I think.

A "real man" is standardly referred to as a male who takes initiative when needed, strength when called for, and intelligence when dealing with life in general. This has nothing to do with ego and narcissism, but everything to do with self-worth and compassion for others.

imo Real men are finishers.

Greg