Zone1 Alpha Male vs a Real Man... Are They the Same Thing?

[MostBoringManInTheWorld]

On a related note~perspective;

Robert A. Heinlein famously stated, "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."

Is there any one human being in the history of mankind who has done or who does all that?

Did Heinlein?

 

[MostBoringManInTheWorld]

Since this thread is about Trump, there are a couple of things to understand about him. His public persona is a bit different from the private Trump.
It is necessary to communicate in a memorable ambiguous way in order to be remembered and not misquoted. Sometimes it will sound blustery and braggadocious. But it’s part of the presentation
Trump is obviously an organized disciplined man to get as far as he’s gotten in life, but yet some will say “he doesn’t have a plan” or “he doesn’t think things through”. That of course is complete nonsense. Just look at his results.
The great Rush Limbaugh said Trump in private talks nothing like the public version. He converses normally, he is a great listener, gets all possible viewpoints, then decides. He brings others into the fold by his decisive action.
He’s an Alpha Man by every definition. He’s also a real man by every definition. He does what he says he’ll do. That’s the #1 measure of authenticity. That’s the message I was trying to get out in my OP about why Trump is do magnetic with women. I hope it’s clear now.

Including grabbing their pussies?

 

[MostBoringManInTheWorld]

But you see, you did want it to be about Trump. You wanted me to respond to your six or seven passive aggressive reactions to my posts in other threads.

I assure you, my approval of Trump is authentic. I like him because he has upheld my conservative values better than any president in my lifetime; lower taxes, roaring economy and stock market, pro-life, removal of DEI, curbing of Democrat cheating in elections, pro-business, removal of regulations, and religious freedom. He has undone so much of the Communist creep going on in our country.

You, on the other hand, claim to be a conservative, yet you have allowed your hatred for Trump cause you to oppose the conservative measures he's implemented, just because you don't like him personally. You objected to ICE doing enforcing immigration law in Minnesota because you don't like Trump. You oppose removal of Iran's nuclear capability because you don't like Trump. You deny the strength of Trump's stock market and the financial benefit to me and my family because you don't like Trump.

Now, to address alpha men versus, real men: Alpha males are those who lead and/or dominate other men and get them to do what they want. You can have good alpha males and bad alpha males. But real men are always good. They do what they say, and have others' best interests at heart. Saddam Hussein was an alpha male, but not a real man. His objective was power and control. Hitler was an alpha male, but not a real man. His objective was power and control. Trump is an alpha man and a real man. He does what he says he will do, and it is for the good of the country. He has all the money he wants, and knows he'll be out of office in three years.

The stock market is currently in decline due to Trump.

 

[MostBoringManInTheWorld]

That's the leftwing media version.

He's a multi-billionaire. He ran a highly organized business. Or he wouldn't be a multi-billionaire. Think.

Each business survived the re-organization plan. Trump is a survivor. First term was a tremendous success.

Trump never assaulted anyone. No evidence he ever did. So what if he called somebody piggy. Big whoop. Nothing compared to what you people call him.

Real women love Trump. The pretty ones who are successful in life, married with children. The blue-haired obese ones? Not so much.

They love him grabbing their pussies?

Do they want to commit adultery with him?

 

[Stryder50]

While there are some who fit your case/example, "time in the military" does guarantee that one will become a good tactician or strategist. Those are different qualities/traits by the way.

History is filled with many generals who should never have been in command and directing the course of the battle/war. As in many fields of human endeavor, often the "politics within the system" is how some rise to be in charge, not skill or merit.

Just noticed I forgot to edit/proofread ...
That should be ... "time in the military" does not guarantee ...

 

[Stryder50]

Is there any one human being in the history of mankind who has done or who does all that?

Did Heinlein?

He came close, as I recall.
Between his fiction and non-fiction it would seem so.
Some of it may have been after 1973 when this was written.
Maybe not "die gallantly" since it was disease that got him. But I wasn't there and don't recall seeing any accounts of such.

I know I've done over half of them. A few I may not get the opportunity before I pass over.
It's an early version of what some would later call a bucket list. The point is the scope of abilities/accomplishments that would be optimal for one to aim for.

 

[westwall]

Is there any one human being in the history of mankind who has done or who does all that?

Did Heinlein?

Nope

 

[Stryder50]

Including grabbing their pussies?

No photos or affidavits, etc. of Trump actually doing that.
It was "locker room bravado" which I'm sure you've engaged similar in your lifetime.

 

[Stryder50]

They love him grabbing their pussies?

Do they want to commit adultery with him?

No photo, evidence, or affidavits he grabbed any pussies.
Now when it comes to the Dems poster boy Biden, lots of photos of him groping women to little girls, in public.

 

[Winco]

No photos or affidavits, etc. of Trump actually doing that.
It was "locker room bravado" which I'm sure you've engaged similar in your lifetime.

Cool, trump NEVER admitted to "IT"

Neat. That exonerates him, right? Locker Room talk. Exoneration...right.

Don't you LYNDEN folks have a MORAL clause?
For Fuccckks Sakes, you have a "mowing your lawn" clause. FACT.

 

[buttercup]

What about Luigi Mangione?

Is he an alpha male?

Haha. I don't know very much about that case...But just based on the little I did see, I would say no. Since you brought it up, I have to say...something about that particular story seems off to me. Like kind of contrived. Interestingly, I'm pretty sure that his story has been echoed in some Hollywood movies. I remember seeing The Running Man (a 2025 movie) a while back, and IIRC there were some parallels with Luigi Mangione. I'm not saying that I agree with this view, but some people I follow on x believe it's a psyop.

Why do you ask, and what do you think?

 

[westwall]

Cool, trump NEVER admitted to "IT"

Neat. That exonerates him, right? Locker Room talk. Exoneration...right.

Don't you LYNDEN folks have a MORAL clause?
For Fuccckks Sakes, you have a "mowing your lawn" clause. FACT.

Trump said, " they will let you grab their pussies", he never said he did it.

And he's correct, women will let rich, powerful men do all sorts of things to them hoping to land that big fish.

 

[Winco]

Don't you LYNDEN folks have a MORAL clause?
For Fuccckks Sakes, you have a "mowing your lawn" clause. FACT.

C;mon. Stryder50
Such weakness on your part.

So you must NOT really live in Lynden, correct? And you LIED?

 

[Stryder50]

Cool, trump NEVER admitted to "IT"

Neat. That exonerates him, right? Locker Room talk. Exoneration...right.

Don't you LYNDEN folks have a MORAL clause?
For Fuccckks Sakes, you have a "mowing your lawn" clause. FACT.

Lynden is my zip code.
I live miles out of town limits.
I'm a transplant to the area, not native ~ born&raised, like many of your Californicators whom come up here to screw up our state/region like they did to CA, though not one of them.

Considering what you Leftist loonie tunes claim and admit I don't see where you have any moral or ethical ground to stand on.
I'm being kind considering the sort of lowlife, immoral, poor character type you've displayed as.

 

[Winco]

Lynden is my zip code.
I live miles out of town limits.
I'm a transplant to the area, not native ~ born&raised, like many of your Californicators whom come up here to screw up our state/region like they did to CA, though not one of them.

Considering what you Leftist loonie tunes claim and admit I don't see where you have any moral or ethical ground to stand on.
I'm being kind considering the sort of lowlife, immoral, poor character type you've displayed as.

Oh aren't you so PURE.
FU and your claim of excellence.
I can respect your intelligence, yet you cannot concur.
Why is that?

 

[buttercup]

But you see, you did want it to be about Trump. You wanted me to respond to your six or seven passive aggressive reactions to my posts in other threads.

I assure you, my approval of Trump is authentic. I like him because he has upheld my conservative values better than any president in my lifetime; lower taxes, roaring economy and stock market, pro-life, removal of DEI, curbing of Democrat cheating in elections, pro-business, removal of regulations, and religious freedom. He has undone so much of the Communist creep going on in our country.

You, on the other hand, claim to be a conservative, yet you have allowed your hatred for Trump cause you to oppose the conservative measures he's implemented, just because you don't like him personally. You objected to ICE doing enforcing immigration law in Minnesota because you don't like Trump. You oppose removal of Iran's nuclear capability because you don't like Trump. You deny the strength of Trump's stock market and the financial benefit to me and my family because you don't like Trump.

Now, to address alpha men versus, real men: Alpha males are those who lead and/or dominate other men and get them to do what they want. You can have good alpha males and bad alpha males. But real men are always good. They do what they say, and have others' best interests at heart. Saddam Hussein was an alpha male, but not a real man. His objective was power and control. Hitler was an alpha male, but not a real man. His objective was power and control. Trump is an alpha man and a real man. He does what he says he will do, and it is for the good of the country. He has all the money he wants, and knows he'll be out of office in three years.

I was going to reply to this post, point by point. But Saxon already said numerous things to you that I agree with. So for now I really don't feel like going over this AGAIN. (I've gone over my thoughts on Trump and why I never got on the Trump train, what feels like hundreds of times on different threads.) I might still reply later, since you misrepresented my reason for not supporting him... and since you said a couple things that were so stunning to me, I just about fell off my chair. Then again, I didn't want this thread to turn into yet another fight about Trump, so....I might not.

 

[Winco]

Does westwall ever discuss?

Between you westwall (80+ and Stryder50 (75+)
Do you OLD men have anything to offer?

Let's discuss trump being "Moral". Puvvy talk, rape allegations, war crimes, emalumates (SP) crimes, and fricking porn stars. Let's go.

 

[MostBoringManInTheWorld]

Haha. I don't know very much about that case...But just based on the little I did see, I would say no. Since you brought it up, I have to say...something about that particular story seems off to me. Like kind of contrived. Interestingly, I'm pretty sure that his story has been echoed in some Hollywood movies. I remember seeing The Running Man (a 2025 movie) a while back, and IIRC there were some parallels with Luigi Mangione. I'm not saying that I agree with this view, but some people I follow on x believe it's a psyop.

Why do you ask, and what do you think?

I asked because of the mention of Charles Manson, who definitely had influence over his female fan club and convinced them to commit brutal, heinous murders on his behalf, and I was wondering if Luigi Mangione, who also has a female fan club, could be considered an alpha male on the order of Manson.

Like you, I don't see him being an alpha male, and yet women are drawn to him, certainly not for being an alpha male, but perhaps for being a bad boy. And he could probably influence them to do things for him based on their attraction to him, but certainly nothing on the magnitude of Manson, especially since Mangione's act of homicide was targeted and confined rather than part of a large-scale campaign of terror and so-called helter skelter.

But the idea that Mangione is a psyop is fascinating, especially as that begs the question, for what purpose?

 

[Dorian Mode]

Is Michelle Obama a man or a woman???? Quick tell us.

Simian male.

 

[braalian]

Simian male.

If Michelle Obama having large hands makes her a man, does Trump having tiny ones make him a woman?