Zone1 Alpha Male vs a Real Man... Are They the Same Thing?

[initforme]

Depends on who you are talking to, doesn't it? Dumocraps are so anti-biology it is scary. Everyone else can accept the fact that we are biological organisms dedicated to maintaining Life. One of the fundamental tenets of Life is that it desperately wants to reproduce itself. People that deny basic biology are the ones that end up so miserable. Life is not about same sex relationships, worshipping a political party and killing offspring before they ever take their first breath. I am so glad my wife and I were able to have a daughter and watch her grow up to adulthood. There is no bigger satisfaction in the universe. But, if dumocraps want to do everything possible to avoid that satisfaction and instead dedicate their lives to hating Trump, that's fine. The world needs less leftists anyway.

People are just getting smarter and holding off on marriage and other until they are more financially sound. In todays america thats a wise move. Starting from scratch with nothing is no longer applicable.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Not really. Look at the trend and how its growing. Increasing numbers of people arent getting married or having kids. They are figuring out thats its not wise to rush into a marriage until they are older and wiser. The old days of starting out with nothing doesnt work in this day and age.

That is NOT a good thing on any level

 

[Dorian Mode]

People are just getting smarter and holding off on marriage and other until they are more financially sound. In todays america thats a wise move. Starting from scratch with nothing is no longer applicable.

Or is that people, especially the middle class, are being politically manipulated/forced to put their careers first before they can eventually afford to have children? Cui bono? The elite globalists who get filthy rich from our labor, probably. Why is humanity more obsessed with money than basic biology and Life? An interesting mental exercise that few will ever do is to actually think about what a miracle it is that we are born. Biology is extremely complex and the billions of things that must happen in perfect succession to be conceived and ultimately born is mind boggling. Life is truly a miracle. And it is really short. So what do we do with this short-lived miracle? We waste it on everything that matters less than Life. I am so glad I did this mental exercise and got my priorities straight.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

This thread is showing that we're obviously not all on the same page as to the definition of ‘alpha male.’

Dragonlady is going by a very positive definition.

According to the online dictionaries I went to, the definition is more neutral:

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"A male individual that is dominant among others" (Oxford English Dictionary)​

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"the most dominant, powerful, or assertive man in a particular group." (Dictionary.com)​

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But the whole idea of 'alpha male' is relatively recent, and from what I'm gathering, it's said to be pseudo-science. At least when it's applied in a human context. I think it's more of a pop culture phrase.

Dragonlady, I'm not saying you're wrong, but it seems to me that what you're describing is a true LEADER. This is just my view on it, because even the word 'leader' is neutral... someone's leadership can be good or bad. But in my view, a TRUE leader is someone who leads people in the right direction, and has many of the qualities that some of us have been attributing to a real man. Strength of character, responsibility, trustworthiness, wisdom, courage, humility, etc. So I think what you're doing is defining 'alpha' in the way I define true leader.

If you look at the example of Jesus He was confident enough to actually SERVE His flock not be served.

We call our elected leader public servant, but in reality they are not. They get rich at my expense

 

[initforme]

That is NOT a good thing on any level

Well good or bad since it costs $ to live and in most all cases it takes two solud middle class incomes to barely hang on i am confident the trend is only going to grow faster. Theres no reversing it.

 

[Dorian Mode]

If you look at the example of Jesus He was confident enough to actually SERVE His flock not be served.

We call our elected leader public servant, but in reality they are not. They get rich at my expense

One of the biggest con jobs in human history is the idea that our government works FOR us. The role of the government is to make the rich richer and to protect the rich from being eaten by the poor. Everything else is political propaganda to achieve those goals.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Well good or bad since it costs $ to live and in most all cases it takes two solud middle class incomes to barely hang on i am confident the trend is only going to grow faster. Theres no reversing it.

And the "smart" white race will be breeded out of existence in our own land while brown and black single mother ghetto dwellers will breed like rats at YOUR expense

 

[Carl in Michigan]

One of the biggest con jobs in human history is the idea that our government works FOR us. The role of the government is to make the rich richer and to protect the rich from being eaten by the poor. Everything else is political propaganda to achieve those goals.

Well, I agree that's what it has become, but it is a bastardization of what was created.

 

[Dorian Mode]

Well, I agree that's what it has become, but it is a bastardization of what was created.

This was discussed in the Federalist Papers. Throughout human history our elite leaders held little regard for the common people. This was also true in 1776. It is also true today.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

We call our elected leader public servant, but in reality they are not. They get rich at my expense

Nobody likes to hear it but this is the fault of the voters and the culture they create.

 

[initforme]

And the "smart" white race will be breeded out of existence in our own land while brown and black single mother ghetto dwellers will breed like rats at YOUR expense

Capitalism is the greatest system on earth. One is free to live how they want and earn as much as they can. Perhaps more people are waking up to this fact and are going after wealth instead of just scraping by to have the traditional route. So be it thats what the system is all about. Can we ask them to take a different route? No.

 

[Dragonlady]

Why would I tire since I have long known what salesmen do?

When you pay for a car, do you deny you pay for benefits? It is easy to name some of them. Getting to places much faster. Being comfortable as you travel. And some want cars for prestige. All benefits.

If not for benefits, any car would do. IT would not matter at all if you had a junk car or a new car.

Your mind is completely warped. People buy cars for reliable transportation. To get to work and home safely, cheaply, and reliably. Junk cars are neither cheap, nor reliable. Function, not benefit.

Your "benefits" are not considerations for anyone but the most moronic of consumers. Getting places faster - speed laws limit that "benefit". Comfort as you travel may be a consideration, but that's a necessity, not a benefit. Prestige - only for vain and wealthy people.

 

[Dragonlady]

And the "smart" white race will be breeded out of existence in our own land while brown and black single mother ghetto dwellers will breed like rats at YOUR expense

The word is "bred", not "breeded". The rest of your post is racist bullshit since poor women have FEWER children than the wealthy.

 

[Robert W]

Your mind is completely warped. People buy cars for reliable transportation. To get to work and home safely, cheaply, and reliably. Junk cars are neither cheap, nor reliable. Function, not benefit.

Your "benefits" are not considerations for anyone but the most moronic of consumers. Getting places faster - speed laws limit that "benefit". Comfort as you travel may be a consideration, but that's a necessity, not a benefit. Prestige - only for vain and wealthy people.

You will argue that a fly on your forehead is merely loving you. You cited benefits. Why are you stubborn.

 

[d0gbreath]

There may be such a thing as an alpha male, but in a nation full of guns, it seems kind of silly.

 

[Woodznutz]

Disclaimer: The following post is just my opinion. So it's OK if we disagree, I'm not stating this as an objective truth that everyone has to agree with.


Is an "alpha male" and a real man the same thing?

This question came to mind while I was reading another thread where people were describing Trump as an “alpha male.” The premise of that thread seemed to be that women love alpha males…and Trump is an alpha male, so that’s why women love Trump. I was going to reply on that thread, but then I figured this is actually an interesting topic that deserves a thread of its own.


I don’t want this thread to be only about Trump, so the only thing I’ll say about him is this...whether he's an alpha male or not, it always surprises me that people think of Trump as attractive. That got me thinking, what makes a man attractive? Is it simply being an alpha male, or is there something more than that? Then I thought, maybe I don't have the right definition of alpha male in mind.

So I looked up the definition, and here’s what I found:


“In a human context, an ‘alpha male’ is typically defined as a man who is dominant, assertive, and occupies a high social or professional status.”
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Ok, so if an alpha male is simply a man who is dominant, assertive, and has a high social or professional status....that's cool, but to me those qualities alone don’t necessarily make someone attractive. Or a real man, necessarily.

Of course, I can’t speak for all women; I can only speak for myself.


In my view, what good is it to be dominant, confident and assertive...or to have power or social status.…if one doesn’t also have truly admirable qualities like honesty, integrity, honor, and wisdom?


I would say that a real man, and a true leader, is someone who has strength of character, integrity, wisdom, courage, and other qualities that people can genuinely admire and respect....and confidence too. But not the kind of confidence that is pompous or arrogant. I think real confidence is paired with humility. And that may not be a quality that people tend to associate with an "alpha male"...but I would say that a real man or a true leader has humility. I mean, look at Jesus. From a Christian perspective, He is the highest power in the world, the King above all kings, yet he was humble and "lowly." (Matthew 11:29)

So I’m curious to know how other people see this.


Is an “alpha male” the same thing as a real man or a true leader? Or are they two completely different things?

And if you're a woman....is someone being an alpha male all it takes for you, or is there something more that makes a man attractive?

Or is this whole idea of "alpha male" a silly and unimportant concept? lol

The Alpha male, along with other such designations, is a mythical social construct that has several definitions. However, the basis is of course the dominant male wolf. What role does he play in the pack? Basically, he maintains the hierarchy with himself at its head, along with his mate the alpha female.

Regarding character qualities in the human iteration, these are not applicable as alpha maleness doesn't require them.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

The Alpha male, along with other such designations, is a mythical social construct that has several definitions. However, the basis is of course the dominant male wolf. What role does he play in the pack? Basically, he maintains the hierarchy with himself at its head, along with his mate the alpha female.

Regarding character qualities in the human iteration, these are not applicable as alpha maleness doesn't require them.

LOL
Ignores reality ^^

 

[odanny]

Sometimes the Alpha male can ruin the group when they compete for the top role. A true Alpha was a gladiator named Spartacus, who kicked the ass of a superior fighting force, defeating Roman Legions before another Alpha named Crixus would not take orders any longer and took over 20,000 to 30,000 troops on his own, only for all of them to be slaughtered in a brave last stand.

Had this force stayed together under Spartacus they could have held out much longer and racked up more victories.

 

[Woodznutz]

LOL
Ignores reality ^^

Alpha's, Omega's, Sigma's, etc. are not 'reality'.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Alpha's, Omega's, Sigma's, etc. are not 'reality'.

That is ridiculous.
On one hand, I agree that there are way too many variations to this "label".
But that doesn't mean alpha's are not real, or don't exist. They exist in all primate species, why would we be any different?
If mankind was still living in small groups, there would be "lead males" in each group - 100%.
In modern human civilization, there is no need for alpha males to lead small groups, security/rules etc. are all enforced through systems rather than individuals.
But they still exist, and the characteristics are pretty universal.