Zone1 A Woke Pope?

[EdwinAMartin]

That part is true. Tariffs are designed to artificially raise market prices to allow less efficient, higher cost companies to compete.

Wrong. They are designed to help local industries and retailers compete with heavily subsidized industries in other countries that allow them to undersell our own industries. In most cases they do so via slave labor as well as protecting their own markets. Try looking up what foreign companies have to do in order to sell in the Red Chinese markets and see if you think they are 'free market' loons.

The 'global markets' mythology is a big lie. American labor working for Red Chinese wages wouldn't be an America you would want to live in.

The US made itself into a global powerhouse under high tariffs. All the off-shoring has recreated the same need to do so again. And we need to rebuild out defense industries as well, and those skills require a lot of redundancy in skills sets throughout the private economy as well. Time to put Wall Street's whining on the back burner again and go back to a producing economy and away from a rent seeking one of servants and gardeners.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

What I can guarantee you, is that as long as the tariffs are in place, you will pay more for your products than if the tariffs were not in place.

Not really. They sell goods for whatever they think consumers will pay, not for how cheap they could sell them. They sold hard drives for $80 because they could, and not $5 re costs plus a 50% profit, for instance. Same with every other product. Houses during booms don't sell cheaper than other houses just because the builders used illegal alien labor at half the costs of legal labor. All that did was drive honest people out of the house building business, is all.

 

[ding]

I never said that, that's a strawman argument.

But that's what you are supporting.

 

[ding]

Wrong. They are designed to help local industries and retailers compete with heavily subsidized industries in other countries that allow them to undersell our own industries. In most cases they do so via slave labor as well as protecting their own markets. Try looking up what foreign companies have to do in order to sell in the Red Chinese markets and see if you think they are 'free market' loons.

The 'global markets' mythology is a big lie. American labor working for Red Chinese wages wouldn't be an America you would want to live in.

The US made itself into a global powerhouse under high tariffs. All the off-shoring has recreated the same need to do so again. And we need to rebuild out defense industries as well, and those skills require a lot of redundancy in skills sets throughout the private economy as well. Time to put Wall Street's whining on the back burner again and go back to a producing economy and away from a rent seeking one of servants and gardeners.

By artificially controlling market prices by raising prices. Real conservative.

 

[ding]

Not really. They sell goods for whatever they think consumers will pay, not for how cheap they could sell them. They sold hard drives for $80 because they could, and not $5 re costs plus a 50% profit, for instance. Same with every other product. Houses during booms don't sell cheaper than other houses just because the builders used illegal alien labor at half the costs of legal labor. All that did was drive honest people out of the house building business, is all.

Yes, really. Tariffs are designed to raise prices. Tariffs are not a free market principle.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Yes, really. Tariffs are designed to raise prices. Tariffs are not a free market principle.

Strawmen. I never said they were 'free market principles'. There has never been any such thing as 'free markets'. Theya re designed to raise prices on imports from unfair competition, and they work like they're supposed to. IF companies want to outsource and buy from regimes engaged in labor racketeering and subsidizing their industries then we need to slap tariffs on them. Whether that satisfies some ideological fantasy or not doesn't matter in real life. They do more to help real free markets than just babbling delusional sophistry dreamed up for propaganda purposes.

"Life isn't fair. Expect to make sacrifices."

 

[EdwinAMartin]

By artificially controlling market prices by raising prices. Real conservative.

When foreign countries are controlling labor prices and subsidizing exports, then yes, they are real conservative practices.

All markets are 'artificial' to greater or lesser extents. That's why all the leading capitalists of the post-civil war era did their best to strangle competition, not increase it. And, they bought judges to keep them safe from free enterprise.

 

[ding]

Strawmen. I never said they were 'free market principles'.

Great, then we are in agreement.

There has never been any such thing as 'free markets'.

So let's make them less free? Great logic.

Theya re designed to raise prices on imports from unfair competition, and they work like they're supposed to.

They are designed to raise prices period.

IF companies want to outsource and buy from regimes engaged in labor racketeering and subsidizing their industries then we need to slap tariffs on them. Whether that satisfies some ideological fantasy or not doesn't matter in real life. They do more to help real free markets than just babbling delusional sophistry dreamed up for propaganda purposes.

What a great moral argument to justify shitting all over free market principles.

"Life isn't fair. Expect to make sacrifices."

100%.

 

[ding]

When foreign countries are controlling labor prices and subsidizing exports, then yes, they are real conservative practices.

All markets are 'artificial' to greater or lesser extents. That's why all the leading capitalists of the post-civil war era did their best to strangle competition, not increase it. And, they bought judges to keep them safe from free enterprise.

I disagree. Welcome to liberalism and big government.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

I disagree. Welcome to liberalism and big government.

Brought to you by Abe Lincoln, Wall Street, and the Republican Party from 1862 to 1934.

 

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Brought to you by Abe Lincoln and the Republican Party from 1862 to 1934.

No. Brought to you by Donald Trump and his populist movement.

 

[StrongAF_2026]

But that's what you are supporting.

No its not. "big government" is not bringing Manufacturing back to the US. Conservatives support that. The "big government" that Conservatives don't support is federal economic regulation, social welfare programs, and providing services. That is a Democrat thing...
And I never said I wanted higher taxes. My taxes have gone down due to the BBB...and i am here for it.

 

[ding]

No its not. "big government" is not bringing Manufacturing back to the US. Conservatives support that. The "big government" that Conservatives don't support is federal economic regulation, social welfare programs, and providing services. That is a Democrat thing...
And I never said I wanted higher taxes. My taxes have gone down due to the BBB...and i am here for it.

You'll swallow anything for the Party. Look at the growing debt. That's big government.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

No. Brought to you by Donald Trump and his populist movement.

lol keep parroting that. He's been pretty successful at it, and will continue to do so. A Trump Republican is leading the polls for Gov in California by almost 20 points for the first time in how many years? And, Israelis can finally resist the terrrorist thugs in their own yards for the first time since 1948.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

No. Brought to you by Donald Trump and his populist movement.

No, it's pretty much a Lincoln and GOP thing, including major Depressions, greenbacks, inflationary financial subsidies for Wall Street, and down the list. Populism is just the result of abuses over decades, is all.

 

[ding]

lol keep parroting that. He's been pretty successful at it, and will continue to do so.

I don't need to parrot it, it is reality.

A Trump Republican is leading the polls for Gov in California by almost 20 points for the first time in how many years?

So what?

And, Israelis can finally resist the terrrorist thugs in their own yards for the first time since 1948.

Got to love Christian Zionists using Israelis and Israelis using Christian Zionists with each laughing at the other behind their backs. I usually have to pay good money for such comedy. But I wouldn't say that the US fighting Israel's war for them is representative of conservative values.

 

[StrongAF_2026]

I don't need to parrot it, it is reality.

So what?

Got to love Christian Zionists using Israelis and Israelis using Christian Zionists with each laughing at the other behind their backs. I usually have to pay good money for such comedy. But I wouldn't say that the US fighting Israel's war for them is representative of conservative values.

How many times are you going to parrot these (incorrect) New York Times/ NPR talking points and still claim to be conservative ?
C'mon now.

 

[ding]

How many times are you going to parrot these (incorrect) New York Times/ NPR talking points and still claim to be conservative ?
C'mon now.

You mean the truth? Yeah, I'll keep stating that tariffs are effectively a tax on the consumer and are the antithesis of conservative values until the cows come home. And despite the propaganda being bandied about, no one is making capital investments based upon tariffs but instead upon sound economic principles that last. And that tariffs are the opposite of free markets. All things conservatives use to value.

What's next? Are you going to tell me fighting Israel's war is good for the US too?

 

[SaxonJackson]

7h

"BREAKING:OVER A DOZEN PRIESTS who have worked alongside Pope Leo have come forward in the wake of his recent comments toward President Trump to allege that during his time as a priest, the now Pope routinely espoused WOKE IDEOLOGY that is antithetical to the Catholic faith, including vocally supporting abortion, divorce, endorsing gender reassignment surgery and even MARRYING GAY COUPLES in the church. These former priest colleagues say that Leo frequently brought politics into the Catholic church and "seemed to care more about bashing President Trump and conservative values than the faith". They have further opined that in no world should this man be a priest yet alone the Pope. Do YOU agree?"

I have a hard time believing a Pope who had this sort of thing in his recent past would have been around this long and it not have come to light before this.

Regardless, I'm not a fan - and not just because he is publicly attacking Trump and Vance.

His predecessor was woke as hell. Seems to be a trend these days.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Three pages and still no one has defined how this Pope is "woke."