Politics and Religion are competing openly under Trump

[Stann]

I don’t think the majority of that 70 million want to be over run by third world illegals. Especially the muslim ones.

Agreed but they don't want the gestapo I place to deal with them either. P.S. Immigration has been high since the 1980's. Arvances in education , transportation and communication all over Latin America told the people they could survive quite well in their own countries but do.even.better in America.

 

[g5000]

You cannot serve two masters, but many "Christian" Trump supporters, in this particular instance Catholics, are being asked to choose: Do you stand with the guy who posts an image of himself as Jesus and attacks the Pope, or do you stand with the leader of your church?

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JD Vance has released his new book which delves into his journey from Protestantism to atheism and ultimately to his conversion to Catholicism in 2019.

That's why you don't see JD Vance on the airwaves stumping for Trump's war on Iran like you did when they bombed Iran's nuclear facilities last year.


Here's an old joke with explains Vance's behavior as a late stage convert to Catholicism:

Communion: Finding My Way Back to Faith by JD Vance​

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[odanny]

Vance is thinking 2028 and how he is going to explain to voters he is a warmonger like Trump.

 

[SaxonJackson]

The REAL Donald Trump

 

[BrokeLoser]

You cannot serve two masters, but many "Christian" Trump supporters, in this particular instance Catholics, are being asked to choose: Do you stand with the guy who posts an image of himself as Jesus and attacks the Pope, or do you stand with the leader of your church?

Considering the track record of both the Catholic church and Trump, it seems best to avoid both.


ROME — After white smoke in the rafters of the Sistine Chapel signaled the rise of a new pope last May, President Donald Trump heralded the first U.S.-born leader of the Catholic Church by declaring the choice “a Great Honor for our Country.”

But now the two most influential Americans on the world stage — Trump, the leader of 340 million Americans, and Pope Leo XIV, with a global flock of 1.4 billion Catholics — are locked in a struggle for hearts and minds that harbors risks for both men.

After a pair of Trump posts Sunday on Truth Social — one, a rambling attack describing Leo as “terrible for Foreign Policy” and “WEAK on crime,” and the other, a Christ-like depiction of the president — Leo responded Monday onboard a papal flight to Algeria, telling journalists he had “no fear of the Trump administration.”

“I don’t want to get into a debate with him” the pope said before appearing to do just that by adding: “I don’t think that the message of the Gospel is meant to be abused in the way that some people are doing.” Later, reflecting on one of Trump’s missives on Truth Social, he said: “It’s ironic — the name of the site itself. Say no more.”

Veteran observers of the Catholic Church say an open war of words between a pope and a U.S. president is unprecedented.

“You have to jump back to the Middle Ages when kings and emperors were shouting against the pope in Rome and calling him false,” said Marco Politi, a longtime Vatican watcher and author. “There is just no other recent example like this.”

The Catholic Church’s moral authority has declined substantially after decades of clerical abuse scandals, and the weight of a pope’s words is not what it once was. But the risk of a direct confrontation with a sitting pope, observers say, is perhaps greater for Trump — who is taking on not only the first pope born in the United States, but a spiritual touchstone for an important, core group of Republican voters: conservative White Catholics. And he is doing so in a midterm congressional election year.

The pushback on Monday included conservative Catholic leaders such as Bishop Robert Barron, who serves on Trump’s Religious Liberty Commission, and called on the president to apologize to Leo. “The statements made by President Trump on Truth Social regarding the Pope were entirely inappropriate and disrespectful.”

WaPo

The Poop continues to assist in keeping the brown third world third world…The dude is a phucking idiot and Trump has/had the balls to let him know…I love it. Time to unsavage the savages and the Poop should help.

 

[Chuz Life]

Politics and Religion are competing openly under Trump​

This is new?

 

[Stann]

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JD Vance has released his new book which delves into his journey from Protestantism to atheism and ultimately to his conversion to Catholicism in 2019.

That's why you don't see JD Vance on the airwaves stumping for Trump's war on Iran like you did when they bombed Iran's nuclear facilities last year.


Here's an old joke with explains Vance's behavior as a late stage convert to Catholicism:

Communion: Finding My Way Back to Faith by JD Vance​

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Religion has always been a bad joke on all of US.

 

[Stann]

The Poop continues to assist in keeping the brown third world third world…The dude is a phucking idiot and Trump has/had the balls to let him know…I love it. Time to unsavage the savages and the Poop should help.

The only thing trump has managed to do is show the whole world what an asshole he is. He really must hate himself.

 

[BrokeLoser]

The only thing trump has managed to do is show the whole world what an asshole he is.

The more of an asshole libs think he is the more we can be sure that he’s kicking ass.

He really must hate himself.

He hates what libs have done to America…just like all good real core Americans do.

 

[Samofvt]

Vance is thinking 2028 and how he is going to explain to voters he is a warmonger like Trump.

Please explain how Iran can

1) take over at least two other countries in the region
2) use them as staging grounds for war against Christianity and Judaism
3) lay mines in international waters to indiscriminately kill people and control world trade
4) slaughter 10's of Thousands of it's own people just for speaking out
5) Chant "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" and "Death to United Kingdom" at it's government meetings
6) Threaten Nuclear Holocaust during "peace" negotiations, then demand continued support for nuclear capabilites

yet you consider Trump (or Vance) a war monger?

Please, please, please explain your rationality.

 

[Stann]

The more of an asshole libs think he is the more we can be sure that he’s kicking ass.


He hates what libs have done to America…just like all good real core Americans do.

I don't know what's sadder trump's delusions or his followers delusions.

 

[Samofvt]

I don't know what's sadder trump's delusions or his followers delusions.

What's sadder is that you follow nothing but lies. And you can't even explain the fundamentals of why you follow the lies.

What principles do you stand for as a human being?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Like his predecessor Francis the talking Pope this new guy also has a big mouth and should just sit down and shut up. Run the church and keep your nose out of politics.

He's the head of a country.

He's political.

Trump should keep his nose out of Hungary, Germany, the UK, Denmark, Canada, but he just can't.

So why should the Pope do what Trump won't do?

 

[Stann]

What's sadder is that you follow nothing but lies. And you can't even explain the fundamentals of why you follow the lies.

What principles do you stand for as a human being?

You are unbelievable
You say that I follow lies and you're following one of the biggest liars that ever lived. The basic principles I live by are live and let live , be careful when you judge others , it's far too easy to come to the wrong conclusions about people you do not know and hate. So I try not to hate. It is not something anyone should embrace. Every person.has rights not just you and yours. Justice works best when it is based on reason , not fears and emotions. Sorry trump stirred all that up in you. It is wrong to manipulate people like that. But that's what con artists do. Good luck in life you're going to need it . You have been dupped. Don't feel bad a lot of other people through the years have fallen for trump's schemes.

 

[Samofvt]

You are unbelievable
You say that I follow lies and you're following one of the biggest liars that ever lived. The basic principles I live by are live and let live , be careful when you judge others , it's far too easy to come to the wrong conclusions about people you do not know and hate.

Great. "Live and Let Live" That's the way it's supposed to be.

This is one of my mantras. I am a flaming liberal. I think anyone should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm others.

So I try not to hate.

But you exhibit hate in several of your posts on this thread.

It is not something anyone should embrace. Every person.has rights not just you and yours. Justice works best when it is based on reason , not fears and emotions. Sorry trump stirred all that up in you.

I think it's the other way around: I stirred that up in Trump. Because of all of the lies the media has been telling us for the last several decades.

It is wrong to manipulate p ople like that.

It is wrong to manipulate people, true. The media has been doing it for decades. I don't think Trump is manipulating anyone. How can I tell? Because he says what he thinks, whether it's popular or not. I do not agree with him on many issues. But I am happy to agree to disagree. It's politicians that try to say things they think are popular that we need to be wary of.

But that's what con artists do. Good luck I life you're going to need it . You have been dupped. Don't feel bad it's of other people through the years have fallen for trump's schemes.

The con artists are the ones controlling the media that you swallow. A few grains of truth? sure. But I will bet money the main reason you feel the way you do about Trump is because of the things you read in the MSM.

In order to make good decisions, any person needs good information. If all the information you get is corrupt or one sided, then you are bound to make bad choices.

That's up to you. Stop using Trump as your scapegoat for everything that ales you.

In conclusion, Democrats are no longer liberal: they are totalitarian. They want to control every aspect of our lives...that is not liberalism. I fear many Republicans in power are not much different, and just push different buttons to achieve the same totalitarian goals. The tail wags the dogs.

 

[Stann]

Great. "Live and Let Live" That's the way it's supposed to be.

This is one of my mantras. I am a flaming liberal. I think anyone should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm others.



But you exhibit hate in several of your posts on this thread.



I think it's the other way around: I stirred that up in Trump. Because of all of the lies the media has been telling us for the last several decades.



It is wrong to manipulate people, true. The media has been doing it for decades. I don't think Trump is manipulating anyone. How can I tell? Because he says what he thinks, whether it's popular or not. I do not agree with him on many issues. But I am happy to agree to disagree. It's politicians that try to say things they think are popular that we need to be wary of.



The con artists are the ones controlling the media that you swallow. A few grains of truth? sure. But I will bet money the main reason you feel the way you do about Trump is because of the things you read in the MSM.

In order to make good decisions, any person needs good information. If all the information you get is corrupt or one sided, then you are bound to make bad choices.

That's up to you. Stop using Trump as your scapegoat for everything that ales you.

In conclusion, Democrats are no longer liberal: they are totalitarian. They want to control every aspect of our lives...that is not liberalism. I fear many Republicans in power are not much different, and just push different buttons to achieve the same totalitarian goals. The tail wags the dogs.

It is late. I need to go to bed. Big day tomorrow . Your reply was lengthy and I would like to address it properly. Sometime tomorrow , not making any promises when ; as I've already said I have a busy day to rrow. Until then.

 

[Samofvt]

It is late. I need to go to bed. Big day tomorrow . Your reply was lengthy and I would like to address it properly. Sometime tomorrow , not make my any promises when ; as I've already said I have a busy day to rrow. Until then.

I'm always happy to have a conversation.

 

[Votto]

You cannot serve two masters, but many "Christian" Trump supporters, in this particular instance Catholics, are being asked to choose: Do you stand with the guy who posts an image of himself as Jesus and attacks the Pope, or do you stand with the leader of your church?

Considering the track record of both the Catholic church and Trump, it seems best to avoid both.


ROME — After white smoke in the rafters of the Sistine Chapel signaled the rise of a new pope last May, President Donald Trump heralded the first U.S.-born leader of the Catholic Church by declaring the choice “a Great Honor for our Country.”

But now the two most influential Americans on the world stage — Trump, the leader of 340 million Americans, and Pope Leo XIV, with a global flock of 1.4 billion Catholics — are locked in a struggle for hearts and minds that harbors risks for both men.

After a pair of Trump posts Sunday on Truth Social — one, a rambling attack describing Leo as “terrible for Foreign Policy” and “WEAK on crime,” and the other, a Christ-like depiction of the president — Leo responded Monday onboard a papal flight to Algeria, telling journalists he had “no fear of the Trump administration.”

“I don’t want to get into a debate with him” the pope said before appearing to do just that by adding: “I don’t think that the message of the Gospel is meant to be abused in the way that some people are doing.” Later, reflecting on one of Trump’s missives on Truth Social, he said: “It’s ironic — the name of the site itself. Say no more.”

Veteran observers of the Catholic Church say an open war of words between a pope and a U.S. president is unprecedented.

“You have to jump back to the Middle Ages when kings and emperors were shouting against the pope in Rome and calling him false,” said Marco Politi, a longtime Vatican watcher and author. “There is just no other recent example like this.”

The Catholic Church’s moral authority has declined substantially after decades of clerical abuse scandals, and the weight of a pope’s words is not what it once was. But the risk of a direct confrontation with a sitting pope, observers say, is perhaps greater for Trump — who is taking on not only the first pope born in the United States, but a spiritual touchstone for an important, core group of Republican voters: conservative White Catholics. And he is doing so in a midterm congressional election year.

The pushback on Monday included conservative Catholic leaders such as Bishop Robert Barron, who serves on Trump’s Religious Liberty Commission, and called on the president to apologize to Leo. “The statements made by President Trump on Truth Social regarding the Pope were entirely inappropriate and disrespectful.”

WaPo

Let's diagnose this post of yours.

“I don’t want to get into a debate with him” the pope said before appearing to do just that by adding: “I don’t think that the message of the Gospel is meant to be abused in the way that some people are doing.” Later, reflecting on one of Trump’s missives on Truth Social, he said: “It’s ironic — the name of the site itself. Say no more.”

How is Trump representing the gospel in any way? Trump is not even a Christian. I discovered this when I heard Trump say that he had never asked God for forgiveness for anything, as he has always just done the best he could in life and left it at that. Well, that is not the gospel message, which is that we have all sinned and need forgiveness from God. Therefore, to infer that anything he posts on truth social has anything to do with the gospel is asinine.

Speaking of the Pope, when is the last time a sitting Pope focused on giving a message about the good news, namely the gospel that Jesus came to deliver humanity from their sins? Instead, the Pope can be seen blessing a block of ice because of his concerns about global warming instead.

Can anyone see Jesus blessing a block of ice? I mean, what the hell?

But the Pope before him criticized Trump as well for "building walls', suggesting that Trump was going to hell for implementing immigration laws, which again, is theologically incorrect. Again, salvation is centered around the cross and your response to the call to embrace the good news, and not on building walls, walls like the Catholic church build around the Vatican to keep people out where they can horde their treasures confiscated from around the globe. It is walls like the prophet Nehemiah was commanded to build to help protect the city of Jerusalem so that the Hebrew people could return to their land.

It is telling that the Pope has no fear in calling out Trump directly. Is Trump not Hitler? Does the Pope not fear for his life like the Popes before him feared Hitler, which his why the Catholic church refused to publicly condemn the Holocaust during WW2 because they knew had they done so,, they would not only have lost their lives, the Nazi regime would have looted the Vatican and destroyed it. So, they chose gold over the souls of people who were misguided by the Nazi regime instead.

Speaking of genocide, when is the last time the Pope even gave a speech about the evils of abortion, which the Catholic church officially has labeled a genocide? They seem to be as silent about that as they were the Holocaust.

Funny that.

The powers that be in the Catholic church are cowering to the Left like they cowered to Hitler, which just goes to show whom they really fear the most.

 

[Mac1958]

You cannot serve two masters, but many "Christian" Trump supporters..

The way they've sold out Christianity to an obvious con man shows that they weren't all that serious about it in the first place.

 

[luiza]

I would imagine that many Christians were not happy with that depiction. Nobody ever said Trump was without flaws. Biden sure wasn’t!

That said, the real question is: is this bad enough to make you sorry you voted for Trump, and wish you voted for the alternative?

Given that the alternative was Kamala, I doubt there are any Christians who regret they didn’t choose her.

IMHO.

You were all told many times beforehand that Trumpfy was a Jewish Deep State member , but the advice was ignored.
Denied by unthinking Munchers and separately by those in Tel Aviv who wanted the Truth hidden .

And if you go blind you must expect to fall over .