Zone1 A Woke Pope?

What Pope Leo said 47's Illegal and Unconstitutional War in Iran is very much in line Catholic Social Teachings. The Illegal and Unconstitutional War in Iran is NOT a "Just War".
Then it is your belief everything Iran was/is involved in doing is right and just. Every other nation believes in supporting Iran, their goals, and their future world view?

This is what you people hate, a Man of Religious Principals stands on his principles and is not afraid to speak out what 47 is dong to the world. Leo is what "Pro-Life" is about. He is opposed to war (YOU are not) he is opposed to state sanctioned murder (YOU are not), he opposes War (YOU do not). The only thing YOU are "Pro-Life" about is abortion. Leo lives his ethics, YOU on the other hand have Transactional Values. When you need them, you use them. Otherwise you toss them aside.
Are you Catholic? If not, is it your objective to become Catholic?
 
This is what you people hate, a Man of Religious Principals stands on his principles and is not afraid to speak out what 47 is dong to the world. Leo is what "Pro-Life" is about. He is opposed to war (YOU are not) he is opposed to state sanctioned murder (YOU are not), he opposes War (YOU do not). The only thing YOU are "Pro-Life" about is abortion. Leo lives his ethics, YOU on the other hand have Transactional Values. When you need them, you use them. Otherwise you toss them aside.
Wow. Harsh but accurate. If only you had such clarity about what YOU do.
 
Then it is your belief everything Iran was/is involved in doing is right and just.
No, but is that the right question? Should it have been handled differently? Do two wrongs make a right? Are there ulterior motives? Is Israel using our ulterior motives to get us to fight their war for them? Is starting a war with Iran really in Israel's best interest? Should Israel have trusted God to handle Iran?
Every other nation believes in supporting Iran, their goals, and their future world view?
No. Not all of them.
 
I dont know if Pope Leo was woke as young man but for me speaking against war is not woke nothing what the Pope said about Trump is woke.
Even better, at the time he was in Cameroon - civil war torn Cameroon. Was not even talking about Trump.
 
Well, the Pope is the highest-ranking official in the Catholic Church globally. They arent going to go against him...
Clearly you don't know the Church. It's a diverse group. Always has been and probably always will be. We have the far left and the far right. We have the left and we have the right and moderates to boot. It is the far right that believes there hasn't been a valid pope since Vatican II. God only knows why they still belong to the Church.
 
Clearly you don't know the Church. It's a diverse group. Always has been and probably always will be. We have the far left and the far right. We have the left and we have the right and moderates to boot. It is the far right that believes there hasn't been a valid pope since Vatican II. God only knows why they still belong to the Church.
You are referring to the people who attend Church. I am referring to the org chart so to speak. The Pope is the head.
and I am VERY familiar with Church...Catholic and Protestant.
 
You are referring to the people who attend Church. I am referring to the org chart so to speak.
I'm referring to both the people and the organization.
The Pope is the head.
and I am VERY familiar with Church...Catholic and Protestant.
Then you must know that the Church (i.e. people and organization) has always had liberal and conservative elements.
 
No, but is that the right question? Should it have been handled differently? Do two wrongs make a right? Are there ulterior motives? Is Israel using our ulterior motives to get us to fight their war for them? Is starting a war with Iran really in Israel's best interest? Should Israel have trusted God to handle Iran?
I pretty much dismiss the war in Iran, and am merely critical of the hypocrisy of pretty much everyone (including me). For example: Pope Leo: Wants to tell the President how to manage disagreements in Iran, when he cannot even unite Orthodox and Catholics to the point of agreeing to celebrate Easter on the same day.

Republicans and Democrats: You both have the answer to settle the quarrels over in around when you cannot even settle the quarrels in House and Senate. Pope Leo again: Take a stand against the US President and stir up heated disagreements among Americans. You are willing to take on President Trump, but if you care for peace so much and think you can do a better job than President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu , why aren't you gathering with Orthodox Patriarchs, Protestant Leaders, Imams and Rabbis to work out a solution that ends the disputes?

The US cannot even agree on voting districts or on one time period instead of going back and forth twice a year. Ever hear of squabbles among beauty contestants who then go out and profess they want world peace? Those non-Catholics heralding Pope Leo aren't signing up in the nearest Catholic Church for initiation classes? How is reunification between Catholics and Protestants coming along?

The sad thing about humanity is the almost universal desire to start a fight about nearly anything. We humans even start fights over what we are fighting about, and Pope Leo is one of the current prime examples of this. So, yes, my attitude about Iran is, ho hum.
 
I pretty much dismiss the war in Iran, and am merely critical of the hypocrisy of pretty much everyone (including me). For example: Pope Leo: Wants to tell the President how to manage disagreements in Iran, when he cannot even unite Orthodox and Catholics to the point of agreeing to celebrate Easter on the same day.

Republicans and Democrats: You both have the answer to settle the quarrels over in around when you cannot even settle the quarrels in House and Senate. Pope Leo again: Take a stand against the US President and stir up heated disagreements among Americans. You are willing to take on President Trump, but if you care for peace so much and think you can do a better job than President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu , why aren't you gathering with Orthodox Patriarchs, Protestant Leaders, Imams and Rabbis to work out a solution that ends the disputes?

The US cannot even agree on voting districts or on one time period instead of going back and forth twice a year. Ever hear of squabbles among beauty contestants who then go out and profess they want world peace? Those non-Catholics heralding Pope Leo aren't signing up in the nearest Catholic Church for initiation classes? How is reunification between Catholics and Protestants coming along?

The sad thing about humanity is the almost universal desire to start a fight about nearly anything. We humans even start fights over what we are fighting about, and Pope Leo is one of the current prime examples of this. So, yes, my attitude about Iran is, ho hum.
I have increasingly come to believe that in such matters trusting God is always the correct course of action.
 
I'm referring to both the people and the organization.

Then you must know that the Church (i.e. people and organization) has always had liberal and conservative elements.
I looked into this a little further, you may be right at the Priest level.
I would think the higher you get up the chain, the more support you will see for the Pope.
Honestly...outside of the war...so many things the Catholic church supports are the same exact things that Trump admin supports.
Pro Life (anti abortion) , Pro 2 sexes only, belief in God.
I am not sure how Liberals are in a Catholic church...Christianity is different than a lot of Liberal beliefs, if you are following the Bible.
 
Opposing an end to civilization is so woke
 
I looked into this a little further, you may be right at the Priest level.
I would think the higher you get up the chain, the more support you will see for the Pope.
Honestly...outside of the war...so many things the Catholic church supports are the same exact things that Trump admin supports.
Pro Life (anti abortion) , Pro 2 sexes only, belief in God.
I am not sure how Liberals are in a Catholic church...Liberalism does not agree with Christianity if you are following the Bible.
Is loving one's neighbor as one loves himself conservative or liberal?
 
I have increasingly come to believe that in such matters trusting God is always the correct course of action.
In a sense, yes. The problem is that doing nothing is also a choice. I still remember vividly of a time in my life where I was in deep prayer over a number of weeks about a choice before me and there was nothing before me--until the day when deep in my heart (after communion) the answer was, "Pick one. I'll be with you whichever you choose." I'm not sure anyone is praying over the situation in Iran. Perhaps more than I can imagine--perhaps some are even listening--so perhaps my own ho hum is that I am trusting God as prayer is all I can offer.
 
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In a sense, yes. The problem is that doing nothing is also a choice. I still remember vividly of a time in my life where I was in deep prayer over a number of weeks about a choice before me and there was nothing before me--until the day when deep in my heart (after communion) the answer was, "Pick one. I'll be with you whichever you choose." I'm not sure anyone is praying over the situation in Iran. Perhaps more than I can imagine--perhaps some are even listening--so perhaps my own ho hum is that I am trusting God as prayer is all I can offer.
Yes, doing nothing is often the starting point for all decisions or at least it should be.

What I will say about Iran is that if Iran had directly attacked Israel, then Israel would have no doubt about the correct course of action. In my mind, that would have been trusting God. Because no one other than God knows what would have happened if Iran never attacked Israel and Israel never attacked Iran. For all we know, Iran would have changed their regime on their own. It's a bit like Rebekah not trusting God to fulfill his prophecy and taking matters into her own hands. Sure, the prophecy was fulfilled but she never saw her favorite son again.
 
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Yes, doing nothing is often the starting point for all decisions or at least it should be.

What I will say about Iran is that if Iran had directly attacked Israel, then Israel would have no doubt about the correct course of action. In my mind, that would have been trusting God. Because no one other than God knows what would have happened if Iran never attacked Israel and Israel never attacked Iran. For all we know, Iran would have changed their regime on their own. It's a bit like Rebekah not trusting God to fulfill his prophecy and taking matters into her own hands. Sure, the prophecy was fulfilled but she never saw her favorite son again.
From the little I can glean, apparently Israel/Us got wind of something (whatever that was) that Iran was planning. Instead of waiting for them to actually launch the plan, they stopped it before it could even start. If so, was this the best course of action? I don't know. I wasn't up to me to make the decision, and I haven't enough information of judge whether or not it was the best decision.
 

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