Florida Loses $2.4 Billion For High-Speed Trains

[Zander]

Maybe a new word needs to be coined to describe an ideology bereft of ideas. looking backwards and build on a foundation of emotion?

You are describing modern liberalism perfectly.

 

[The T]

Maybe a new word needs to be coined to describe an ideology bereft of ideas. looking backwards and build on a foundation of emotion?

You are describing modern liberalism perfectly.

Exactly.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Or LA to San Francisco, Berkley and San Jose. Or through central California, the vegetable capital of America.

Or all over the East Coast.

High Speed trains are more than 30% more efficient than US trains. They are competitive with airplanes. You can have people commuting to work from over a hundred miles away, which opens up job opportunities everywhere they run.

But right wingers don't see the possibilities. Of course. They can't. They are limited that way. These are people who have no use for science or technology. They want to cut education. They want to include "mysticism" as an alternate and acceptable part of "science". They can't see the difference between a "scientific theory" and a "wild guess".

Let us take a look at high speed rail in one of the favorite places of the left, China.

In his seven years as chief of the Chinese Railways Ministry, Liu Zhijun built a commercial and political colossus that spanned continents and elevated the lowly train to a national symbol of pride and technological prowess.
His abrupt sacking by the Communist Party is casting that empire in a decidedly different light, raising doubts not only about Mr. Liu’s stewardship and the corruption that dogs China’s vast public-works projects, but also, perhaps, the safety, financial soundness and long-term viability of a rail system that has captured the world’s attention.
Mr. Liu, 58, was fired Saturday and is being investigated by the party’s disciplinary committee for “severe violations of discipline,” a euphemism for corruption. His high government rank — minister-level officials are rarely fired under such a cloud — hints at far deeper dissatisfaction with one of China’s most publicized and sweeping domestic initiatives.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/18/world/asia/18rail.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

Seems that all is not well in China.

Tell me something, why would a person who claims to look to the future prefer a mode of transportation that was built by robber barons, is highly prone to corruption and greed, is not flexible enough to get people where they need to go, and generally disenfranchises the poor people who live in rural areas?

Could it be that you have not actually examined the evidence, and just like it because Obama supports it and Republicans do not? Would you be as supportive if Bush had made it a signature of his presidency, and Democrats opposed it?

You are assuming Democrats would not support "common sense". Remember, Democrats don't vote in a block. Their party isn't 90% white and mostly Christian. The majority of scientists are Democrats. You can't really compare the two parties. And Bush didn't believe in "evolution".

No, I am asking you a question. Are you going to answer me, or are you going to dance?

Would you support this if Republicans liked it and Democrats did not? Have you even looked at the data to see what is hype and what is not? Why don't you put that education that you have to good use and do some basic research?

 

[The T]

Oops.

Bullet Trains Around the World

Much of Europe is connected with bullet trains and Asia is catching up fast, while lines are in various stages of planning in South America and the Middle East.

The U.S. is taking far too few and too timid steps to catch up, decades behind many other developed countries.

Bullet Trains Around the World | Midwest High Speed Rail Association

*WE* are the United States Of America and NOT "much of EUROPE" are we?

 

[The T]

Let us take a look at high speed rail in one of the favorite places of the left, China.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/18/world/asia/18rail.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

Seems that all is not well in China.

Tell me something, why would a person who claims to look to the future prefer a mode of transportation that was built by robber barons, is highly prone to corruption and greed, is not flexible enough to get people where they need to go, and generally disenfranchises the poor people who live in rural areas?

Could it be that you have not actually examined the evidence, and just like it because Obama supports it and Republicans do not? Would you be as supportive if Bush had made it a signature of his presidency, and Democrats opposed it?

You are assuming Democrats would not support "common sense". Remember, Democrats don't vote in a block. Their party isn't 90% white and mostly Christian. The majority of scientists are Democrats. You can't really compare the two parties. And Bush didn't believe in "evolution".

No, I am asking you a question. Are you going to answer me, or are you going to dance?

Would you support this if Republicans liked it and Democrats did not? Have you even looked at the data to see what is hype and what is not? Why don't you put that education that you have to good use and do some basic research?

he won't. it's too easy as the liberal he is to deny doing any research.

 

[Zander]

Fuck trains, lets go back to horse and buggy. We can protect the buggy whip makers that wrongfully lost their jobs with the advent of the horseless carriage. We can right a long standing wrong!! Workers unite!! Save the buggy whip makers!! Demand horse and buggy legislation now!!

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Or LA to San Francisco, Berkley and San Jose. Or through central California, the vegetable capital of America.

Or all over the East Coast.

High Speed trains are more than 30% more efficient than US trains. They are competitive with airplanes. You can have people commuting to work from over a hundred miles away, which opens up job opportunities everywhere they run.

But right wingers don't see the possibilities. Of course. They can't. They are limited that way. These are people who have no use for science or technology. They want to cut education. They want to include "mysticism" as an alternate and acceptable part of "science". They can't see the difference between a "scientific theory" and a "wild guess".

Ok genius, if it is such a no-brainer and so economical... why hasn't it been done?

It has been done. And it's being done. Just not in this country.

Why not?

 

[The T]

Fuck trains, lets go back to horse and buggy. We can protect the buggy whip makers that wrongfully lost their jobs with the advent of the horseless carriage. We can right a long standing wrong!! Workers unite!! Save the buggy whip makers!! Demand horse and buggy legislation now!!

This is where the enviro-whackos want to take us while accusing Tech gains of polluting...

 

[The T]

Ok genius, if it is such a no-brainer and so economical... why hasn't it been done?

It has been done. And it's being done. Just not in this country.

Why not?

He Knows...he just doesn't wanna say.

So I'll SAY IT for him...because those countries have been given NO OTHER CHOICE but to accept their LOSS of Liberty...

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

It has been done. And it's being done. Just not in this country.

Why not?

He Knows...he just doesn't wanna say.

So I'll SAY IT for him...because those countries have been given NO OTHER CHOICE but to accept their LOSS of Liberty...

Yup....

 

[Harry Dresden]

The only place high speed rail makes sense is between Washington D.C. and New York City. That's about it.

boston NYC Washington.
La-san diego. maybe even La-San fran.
I could see a Atlanta Miami type rail working.
you also have to note gas is spiking again, people are cutting down on travel. Now if you have a cheap way of going long distances without using your car and gas, people will be more willing to use it.

China doesnt think its a bad idea. And before you knock China, you should note that a lot of US companies are investing there because its booming. In China this just got done.
Fuck the whiners.

Or LA to San Francisco, Berkley and San Jose. Or through central California, the vegetable capital of America.

Or all over the East Coast.

High Speed trains are more than 30% more efficient than US trains. They are competitive with airplanes. You can have people commuting to work from over a hundred miles away, which opens up job opportunities everywhere they run.

But right wingers don't see the possibilities. Of course. They can't. They are limited that way. These are people who have no use for science or technology. They want to cut education. They want to include "mysticism" as an alternate and acceptable part of "science". They can't see the difference between a "scientific theory" and a "wild guess".

hey dipshit........LEFTWINGERS helped vote down a high speed train from LA to Vegas....yea i know it was those rascally Conservative Democrats who voted with those Nasty anti-Technophobes known as Republicans....

 

[The T]

Why not?

He Knows...he just doesn't wanna say.

So I'll SAY IT for him...because those countries have been given NO OTHER CHOICE but to accept their LOSS of Liberty...

Yup....

And he cannot refutr it no matter what he does.

Deany? Jig is up. YOU are unmasked.

 

[Zander]

Seriously though, a mode of transportation that is fixed on rails (the ultimate in inflexibility) and travels over the ground (even at high speed) will lose to air travel for long distances and automobiles for short distances.

Now if a private corporation wants to develop a high speed rail line without tax payer money - GO FOR IT. If it is such a great idea, surely entreprenuers and investors would be lined up to participate, right?

 

[Political Junky]

Seriously though, a mode of transportation that is fixed on rails (the ultimate in inflexibility) and travels over the ground (even at high speed) will lose to air travel for long distances and automobiles for short distances.

Now if a private corporation wants to develop a high speed rail line without tax payer money - GO FOR IT. If it is such a great idea, surely entreprenuers and investors would be lined up to participate, right?

Tell that to Europeans, Japanese, and Chinese.

 

[rdean]

Rail Europe: 20 percent off Eurostar high-speed train – Travel – Sun-Sentinel

The High Speed Rail Revolution is Happening Now « The Telltale Rail

Some people won't fly, ever. The actual travel time is a little more, but the cost will drop as more of the trains are used. There is less hassle than going to an airport.

http://www.johomaps.com/eu/europehighspeed.html

Check out the map of HSTs all over Europe.

Remember, this isn't new technology. Europeans have been building HSTs for years. There is plenty of data for study. And now there is talk of a HSP from China to London.

 

[Zander]

Why trains? If we are going to move backwards with ancient, restrictive technology, why not have a national initiative to invest in rickshaws? They work in CHINA!!! Think of all the jobs!

 

[Political Junky]

Why trains? If we are going to move backwards with ancient, restrictive technology, why not have a national initiative to invest in rickshaws? They work in CHINA!!! Think of all the jobs!

Now, that's the height of conservatism.

 

[rdean]

Why trains? If we are going to move backwards with ancient, restrictive technology, why not have a national initiative to invest in rickshaws? They work in CHINA!!! Think of all the jobs!

Now, that's the height of conservatism.

The conservative definition of "new technology".

 

[JFK_USA]

High speed rail is an economic loser. It has never worked, outside of one or two well traveled corridors. The guv was right. An expensive boondoggle that would have cost taxpayer money for no benefit.

No benefit? How about a 2 hour train ride from Chicago to St. Louis whic takes 5 hours by car. Yeah you're right no benefit.

Government doesn't do things to make a profit. Its not a business. It does things to better society. Think about it (I know hard thing to do, but at least try):

A 2 hour train ride cuts a business cost to travel, meaning less costs meaning they can save or create new jobs, meaning employment rate goes down, economy gets better, American gets better.

Oh and maybe able to save American manufacturing because transportation cost decrease.

But yeah absolutely no benefit.

 

[JFK_USA]

Another thing to add:

The Florida rail from Orlando-Tampa is unnecessary. But other areas like the Midwest (Chicago-St. Louis, Chicago-Cincinatti) and West Coast (LA-San Diego) are needed.