Britain Canceled Its Wasteful Rail Project. Will California?

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And will the Feds stop shoveling funding for the CA project?


U.K. prime minister Rishi Sunak announced that his government is canceling the second leg of a high-speed rail project because of spiraling costs and years of delays. The High Speed 2 project would have connected London with Manchester, by way of Birmingham. Sunak said that now, only the London-to-Birmingham portion will be built.
The timeline of the project will sound familiar to American ears. A north-south high-speed rail project was first proposed in 2010. Thirteen years later, the project is nowhere near completion, and estimated costs had more than tripled.
A 2012 cost estimate for the proposed route from London to Birmingham, with spurs to Manchester and Leeds, was £32.7 billion. A year later, the government revised it to over £50 billion. In 2015, it rose to £55.7 billion. A 2019 report from the chairman of the body constructing the project said it wouldn’t be completed until 2040 and would cost £88 billion. A January 2020 cost estimate had an upper bound of £98 billion. A February 2020 review said £106 billion.
That was all before construction even began.
Construction of the London-to-Birmingham leg started in September 2020, ten years after the idea was initially proposed. In November 2021, the government canceled the spur to Leeds, leaving the single London-Birmingham-Manchester line. In June 2023, the government estimated that train service between Birmingham and a station outside of central London would begin sometime between 2029 and 2033, and service to Manchester wouldn’t start until as late as 2041.

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Contrary to the conventional wisdom, canceling infrastructure projects is not always a political loser. Republican governors Scott Walker (Wis.), Rick Scott (Fla.), and John Kasich (Ohio) all refused federal funding for high-speed-rail projects in their states, earning ire from commentators for turning down “free money.” The Obama administration gloated that the money would instead be diverted to blue states such as California.
A decade later, we now know that Walker, Scott, and Kasich all won reelection as governor. Florida ended up getting a new intercity rail line anyway: the privately owned and operated Brightline between Miami and Orlando, which began construction in 2014 and carried its first passengers in 2018. And California still has zero miles of track laid on its L̶o̶s̶ A̶n̶g̶e̶l̶e̶s̶-̶t̶o̶-̶S̶a̶n̶ F̶r̶a̶n̶c̶i̶s̶c̶o̶ Merced-to-Bakersfield line.
When will California come to the realization Sunak did and cancel its never-ending project? The state has been throwing good money after bad since 2008, when borrowing for the project was first approved in a referendum. The project is such a mess that French rail operator SNCF gave up on advising California in 2011 to instead work on a different high-speed rail project in a place it viewed as less dysfunctional: Morocco. The 201-mile Al Boraq high-speed rail line between Casablanca and Tangier became operational in 2018.
California is still working on environmental review for parts of its high-speed-rail project. The cost estimate for the 171-mile segment between Merced and Bakersfield, the part that’s easiest to build given the geography and the only part that is currently under construction, is now higher than the 2008 estimate for the entire 500-mile line from Los Angeles to San Francisco. The $33 billion project voters approved in the referendum is now projected to cost $128 billion. And the earliest date any part of the system could carry any passengers is 2030.
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Oh! The train to nowhere! Billions of dollars for nothing!

Light rail would have been viable, but nooooo!

Massive waste of resources and money.

And that's exactly what it was designed to be by Obama. Cloward/Piven strategy.

He's not stupid. He's smart and hostile to the "general welfare" of Americans.
 
And will the Feds stop shoveling funding for the CA project?


U.K. prime minister Rishi Sunak announced that his government is canceling the second leg of a high-speed rail project because of spiraling costs and years of delays. The High Speed 2 project would have connected London with Manchester, by way of Birmingham. Sunak said that now, only the London-to-Birmingham portion will be built.
The timeline of the project will sound familiar to American ears. A north-south high-speed rail project was first proposed in 2010. Thirteen years later, the project is nowhere near completion, and estimated costs had more than tripled.
A 2012 cost estimate for the proposed route from London to Birmingham, with spurs to Manchester and Leeds, was £32.7 billion. A year later, the government revised it to over £50 billion. In 2015, it rose to £55.7 billion. A 2019 report from the chairman of the body constructing the project said it wouldn’t be completed until 2040 and would cost £88 billion. A January 2020 cost estimate had an upper bound of £98 billion. A February 2020 review said £106 billion.
That was all before construction even began.
Construction of the London-to-Birmingham leg started in September 2020, ten years after the idea was initially proposed. In November 2021, the government canceled the spur to Leeds, leaving the single London-Birmingham-Manchester line. In June 2023, the government estimated that train service between Birmingham and a station outside of central London would begin sometime between 2029 and 2033, and service to Manchester wouldn’t start until as late as 2041.

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Contrary to the conventional wisdom, canceling infrastructure projects is not always a political loser. Republican governors Scott Walker (Wis.), Rick Scott (Fla.), and John Kasich (Ohio) all refused federal funding for high-speed-rail projects in their states, earning ire from commentators for turning down “free money.” The Obama administration gloated that the money would instead be diverted to blue states such as California.
A decade later, we now know that Walker, Scott, and Kasich all won reelection as governor. Florida ended up getting a new intercity rail line anyway: the privately owned and operated Brightline between Miami and Orlando, which began construction in 2014 and carried its first passengers in 2018. And California still has zero miles of track laid on its L̶o̶s̶ A̶n̶g̶e̶l̶e̶s̶-̶t̶o̶-̶S̶a̶n̶ F̶r̶a̶n̶c̶i̶s̶c̶o̶ Merced-to-Bakersfield line.
When will California come to the realization Sunak did and cancel its never-ending project? The state has been throwing good money after bad since 2008, when borrowing for the project was first approved in a referendum. The project is such a mess that French rail operator SNCF gave up on advising California in 2011 to instead work on a different high-speed rail project in a place it viewed as less dysfunctional: Morocco. The 201-mile Al Boraq high-speed rail line between Casablanca and Tangier became operational in 2018.
California is still working on environmental review for parts of its high-speed-rail project. The cost estimate for the 171-mile segment between Merced and Bakersfield, the part that’s easiest to build given the geography and the only part that is currently under construction, is now higher than the 2008 estimate for the entire 500-mile line from Los Angeles to San Francisco. The $33 billion project voters approved in the referendum is now projected to cost $128 billion. And the earliest date any part of the system could carry any passengers is 2030.
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CA has a history of having never ending "public improvement" projects. One is Hwy 101 north of Santa Rosa and south of Willets. That stretch has been under construction in one place or another for a solid 50 years. It would be interesting to find out how much CalTrans has spent on that stretch. Another continuous boondoggle is the stretch of CA 1 between Carmel and Monterey--another 50 year mess. Highspeed Rail in the central valley will be a cash cow for the next hundred years--worse than Amtrak.
 
CA is still trying to acquire the right of passage and the property the train tracks will be laid on... not one rail has been set since 2015.... Buuuuaaahahahahaha
They hang their hat on the fact that the design is 96% complete.... LMAO.... Californians are the dumbest people in the continental united states....
 
The California train is nothing but a money laundering scam.
Just like its $600 tax rebate. This was a single source contract to an inside bidder with the proviso that only $500 could be withdrawn at one time. Instant double processing fees!
 

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