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People have been talking about the need for high speed rail from Tampa to Orlando for 20 years. No, it's not a boondoggle. It's a question of raising the money at a time when the states is under huge budgetary pressure.High speed rail is an economic loser. It has never worked, outside of one or two well traveled corridors. The guv was right. An expensive boondoggle that would have cost taxpayer money for no benefit.
The only place high speed rail makes sense is between Washington D.C. and New York City. That's about it.
The only place high speed rail makes sense is between Washington D.C. and New York City. That's about it.Bullshit!!
We need a line that goes from the East Coast....to the West Coast....and, let Corporate America have their subsidized-airlines!!!
BTW.....it's been done.....back, when this Country was run by....
(....As-opposed-to present-day, gutless, "conservative", pussies.)
No government ought not to be run like businesses.
They have entirely different missions so suggesting that one ought to act like the other is silly.
Would you say that corporations ought to act like government?
No of course not.
Their mission is to make a profit for their owners, and that is a good thing.
Government's role is to look after the well being of society. And that is a good thing.
Confusing those roles is the definition of FASCISM.
Many of you cons are really fascists and don't apparently realize that what you believe is exactly what Musssolini, Hitler and Franco believed.
I don't tell you this as an insult, I'm just telling you what the political science word is to describe your beliefs.
The only place high speed rail makes sense is between Washington D.C. and New York City. That's about it.
Yes, and if it was needed elsewhere? The private sector would have already addressed it.
The only place high speed rail makes sense is between Washington D.C. and New York City. That's about it.
Yes, and if it was needed elsewhere? The private sector would have already addressed it.Yeah....I'm sure the airlines lobby, for it, all-the-time....you know....to relieve their congestion....
No government ought not to be run like businesses.
They have entirely different missions so suggesting that one ought to act like the other is silly.
Would you say that corporations ought to act like government?
No of course not.
Their mission is to make a profit for their owners, and that is a good thing.
Government's role is to look after the well being of society. And that is a good thing.
Confusing those roles is the definition of FASCISM.
Many of you cons are really fascists and don't apparently realize that what you believe is exactly what Musssolini, Hitler and Franco believed.
I don't tell you this as an insult, I'm just telling you what the political science word is to describe your beliefs.
That's the problem...politicians.
No government ought not to be run like businesses.
They have entirely different missions so suggesting that one ought to act like the other is silly.
Would you say that corporations ought to act like government?
No of course not.
Their mission is to make a profit for their owners, and that is a good thing.
Government's role is to look after the well being of society. And that is a good thing.
Confusing those roles is the definition of FASCISM.
Many of you cons are really fascists and don't apparently realize that what you believe is exactly what Musssolini, Hitler and Franco believed.
I don't tell you this as an insult, I'm just telling you what the political science word is to describe your beliefs.
That's the problem...politicians.oooooooooooooooooooooooo....what an in-depth analysis.
High speed rail is an economic loser. It has never worked, outside of one or two well traveled corridors. The guv was right. An expensive boondoggle that would have cost taxpayer money for no benefit.
No fucking proof just all talk, shut the fuck up.
From my POV I would not be packing up my car going to find a parking lot to pay for, getting on a train at what ever cost, getting on a train getting off finding and loading a cab to go to a resort when I can do it for less money and in less time less hassle by my own car.
Thats not proof, but it is the fact and you can multiply that by 2 million for the people in my community we may live in florida but we aint stupid.
No fucking proof just all talk, shut the fuck up.
From my POV I would not be packing up my car going to find a parking lot to pay for, getting on a train at what ever cost, getting on a train getting off finding and loading a cab to go to a resort when I can do it for less money and in less time less hassle by my own car.
Thats not proof, but it is the fact and you can multiply that by 2 million for the people in my community we may live in florida but we aint stupid.Lemme guess....you're still not allowed to cross-the-street (on your own), yet....or, leave your backyard (much, at all).....right??
High speed rail is an economic loser. It has never worked, outside of one or two well traveled corridors. The guv was right. An expensive boondoggle that would have cost taxpayer money for no benefit.
No fucking proof just all talk, shut the fuck up.
Always...except ONE that is now in the capable hands of two GIANTS in the Rail Industry...( CSX, And Norfolk Southern)...that split CONRAILHigh speed rail is an economic loser. It has never worked, outside of one or two well traveled corridors. The guv was right. An expensive boondoggle that would have cost taxpayer money for no benefit.
No fucking proof just all talk, shut the fuck up.
it's a fact most government controlled transit system lose money.
No fucking proof just all talk, shut the fuck up.
From my POV I would not be packing up my car going to find a parking lot to pay for, getting on a train at what ever cost, getting on a train getting off finding and loading a cab to go to a resort when I can do it for less money and in less time less hassle by my own car.
Thats not proof, but it is the fact and you can multiply that by 2 million for the people in my community we may live in florida but we aint stupid.
Great. More rail for us in California. I'd much rather travel by train than drive from SF to LA or San Diego. Having traveled throughtout Europe on rail I look forward to the day one can travel from downtown Sacramento or San Francisco to downtown LA without the hassle of gridlock on freeways, $5 a gallon gas and the wear on tires, engine and transmission.
Instead of sitting behind the wheel I can sit and have a meal, read a book, surf the web or play a game of chess; have a cold one in the bar, meet new people and share information on places to go and things to do.
From my POV I would not be packing up my car going to find a parking lot to pay for, getting on a train at what ever cost, getting on a train getting off finding and loading a cab to go to a resort when I can do it for less money and in less time less hassle by my own car.
Thats not proof, but it is the fact and you can multiply that by 2 million for the people in my community we may live in florida but we aint stupid.
Great. More rail for us in California. I'd much rather travel by train than drive from SF to LA or San Diego. Having traveled throughtout Europe on rail I look forward to the day one can travel from downtown Sacramento or San Francisco to downtown LA without the hassle of gridlock on freeways, $5 a gallon gas and the wear on tires, engine and transmission.
Instead of sitting behind the wheel I can sit and have a meal, read a book, surf the web or play a game of chess; have a cold one in the bar, meet new people and share information on places to go and things to do.
Building rail will provide jobs, long term and permanent and save oil by moving people and products around our nation lowering consumer costs for transportation. Anyone who shops for grocery's or any other product knows that the spike in fuel prices raises the cost of everything transported.
Good. You can have it. Most Socialists and their Societies enjoy mass transit payed for by others anyway.
Great. More rail for us in California. I'd much rather travel by train than drive from SF to LA or San Diego. Having traveled throughtout Europe on rail I look forward to the day one can travel from downtown Sacramento or San Francisco to downtown LA without the hassle of gridlock on freeways, $5 a gallon gas and the wear on tires, engine and transmission.
Instead of sitting behind the wheel I can sit and have a meal, read a book, surf the web or play a game of chess; have a cold one in the bar, meet new people and share information on places to go and things to do.
Building rail will provide jobs, long term and permanent and save oil by moving people and products around our nation lowering consumer costs for transportation. Anyone who shops for grocery's or any other product knows that the spike in fuel prices raises the cost of everything transported.
Good. You can have it. Most Socialists and their Societies enjoy mass transit payed for by others anyway.....While "conservatives" prefer the comfort o' packin'-on-the-lard, in their (own) backyard.
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As a Californian I applaud the Gov. of Florida; soon we may benefit from his foolishness if our own pols plan for the future and not seek a return to the past. While I understand editec's belief of the New Right being fascist and generally agree, they're also reactionary. Maybe a new word needs to be coined to describe an ideology bereft of ideas. looking backwards and build on a foundation of emotion?
Yes because California's budget is balanced so they can afford to spend taxpayer money on expensive play toys for the urban middle class. Right?
Florida Loses $2.4 Billion For High-Speed Trains
This is what happens when you have a governor who runs the state like businessman and a very bad one at that, instead of like a politician. There would have been job creation in this but Repugs never promised job creation in their campaigns did they? Its clear they don't fucking care.The project, which would have connected Tampa and Orlando with high-speed trains, was rejected by Florida Gov. Rick Scott, a Republican. He said he didn't want to obligate the state to pay for what could be expensive operating costs for the line.
However, the Florida Department of Transportation on Wednesday released a study showing the line connecting Tampa to Orlando would have had an operating surplus in 2015, its first year of operation.
Florida Loses $2.4 Billion For High-Speed Trains
This is what happens when you have a governor who runs the state like businessman and a very bad one at that, instead of like a politician. There would have been job creation in this but Repugs never promised job creation in their campaigns did they? Its clear they don't fucking care.The project, which would have connected Tampa and Orlando with high-speed trains, was rejected by Florida Gov. Rick Scott, a Republican. He said he didn't want to obligate the state to pay for what could be expensive operating costs for the line.
However, the Florida Department of Transportation on Wednesday released a study showing the line connecting Tampa to Orlando would have had an operating surplus in 2015, its first year of operation.
Do you work hard at being an idiot?
The pro high speed rail group High-Speed Rail in America says that the FDoT study is based on faulty assumptions and overly optimistic ridership projections, and rates the Florida corridor at the bottom in projects to back. The route is way too short, and the train would not move fast enough to compete with cars.
High-Speed Rail in America - America 2050
That is what you get when you let a governor run a state like a business, intelligent and well informed decisions.
As a Californian I applaud the Gov. of Florida; soon we may benefit from his foolishness if our own pols plan for the future and not seek a return to the past. While I understand editec's belief of the New Right being fascist and generally agree, they're also reactionary. Maybe a new word needs to be coined to describe an ideology bereft of ideas. looking backwards and build on a foundation of emotion?
in one of our last Elections, High Speed Rail between L.A. and Las Vegas was shot down by the voters.....maybe its not that popular of an idea out here as well.....
The only way it will work is if there is a need and a demand for it by market forces. Had there been such a need? The Railroads wouldn't have dropped their passenger services in the early 70's.
The only reason why rail passenger travel exists now is by the Government. Witness AMTRAK.
