OK then Rabbi,
Both Jews and Christians do celebrate Halloween.
Does that make them Druids?
And Halloween is a Druid holiday?
yes, it is, bubbeleh.
you should get out more.
No, actually it isn't, faygola. You should read more.
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OK then Rabbi,
Both Jews and Christians do celebrate Halloween.
Does that make them Druids?
And Halloween is a Druid holiday?
yes, it is, bubbeleh.
you should get out more.
And Halloween is a Druid holiday?
yes, it is, bubbeleh.
you should get out more.
No, actually it isn't, faygola. You should read more.
Can't answer that one, eh?
Because you know the answer. The answer is the Israelis and the Palestinians are the same race. Ergo it cannot be apartheid.
What it is is the self-preservation of a country inhabited by people who have not enjoyed their own political existence for 2k years and are now under siege by a murderous tribe that thinks nothing of blowing up their own women and children, much less their enemy's. As such it is not comparable to any other conflict.
Thanks for playing. On to the next subject.
So they're both of the Semitic race. No such thing as religious apartheid? Holy CHIT mon! These yahoos invented a brandy new way to skull fuck generations of people. But wait, NOTHING can be done about this injustice without the settling of the proper TERM for such scum buggery! Delay, delay... and meanwhile, lets blame the victims of this international crime for fighting BACK, because fuck knows that no-one else would VIOLENTLY oppose the taking of their lands, the killing of their children, the vicious control of what little economy (not to mention water) was allowed them based on a crime that took place on another fucking CONTINENT and enabled by the new bestest friends of the conquering ARMY.
You're talking about the Israelis, right? Who has had children killed? Israelis. WHo has had their economy impacted by terrorism? Israelis.
No, there is no such thing as "religious apartheid." And if there were, it would not apply to Israel. What religion are the Druse?
You can lay out particular areas where America resembles Cuba. But that doesn't make the comparison valid.International human rights law? You're joking, right? These are the same jokers that consistently get together to condemn Israel while ignoring real human rights violations.
Don't even go there.
You're right...I keep forgetting that Israel is above condemnation by international law...
Anyway, you can define a dog as a cat, but it doesnt make it so. You can define Palestinians as a race separate from teh Israelis, but it doesn't make it so either. Who is playing semantic games now?
I laid out particular areas in which the Israeli/Palestinian situation resembles Aparthied. You consistently ignore it in an attempt to deflect this discussion into an issue of semantics.
What rights do Palestinians in Israel not have that Israelis do have? To serve in the army? Palestinians have exactly the same rights as Israelis. No point pretending otherwise. And Druse as well. What religion and race are the Druse, by the way?
Is it more likeThe Druze are Druze - something akin to a Unitarian version of Islam.
So they're both of the Semitic race. No such thing as religious apartheid? Holy CHIT mon! These yahoos invented a brandy new way to skull fuck generations of people. But wait, NOTHING can be done about this injustice without the settling of the proper TERM for such scum buggery! Delay, delay... and meanwhile, lets blame the victims of this international crime for fighting BACK, because fuck knows that no-one else would VIOLENTLY oppose the taking of their lands, the killing of their children, the vicious control of what little economy (not to mention water) was allowed them based on a crime that took place on another fucking CONTINENT and enabled by the new bestest friends of the conquering ARMY.
You're talking about the Israelis, right? Who has had children killed? Israelis. WHo has had their economy impacted by terrorism? Israelis.
You need to get some facts straight before you flap your lips.
Who has had children killed: Estimates vary, but from 2000 to present, approximately 124 Israeli children and 1441 Palestinian children.
Who has had their economy impacted by terrorism?
The Israeli unemployement is around 7.3%. The Palestinian unemployment is at 18.6% for the West Bank and for 34.8% Gaza (source is CIA factbook).
In Israel has risen, but most economists blame that on the global slowdown that has hit particularly hard in the high-tech areas (which Israel's economy is particularly dependent on). Palestinian unemployment is predominatly due to Israeli policies of closure and trade and movement restrictions that make it nearly impossible to conduct business.
No, there is no such thing as "religious apartheid." And if there were, it would not apply to Israel. What religion are the Druse?
Who is saying it's "religious" apartheid? It's racial according to the the definitions under international law...unless you can address the actual points and make a case for why it *isn't* rather than playing silly word games.
The Druze are Druze - something akin to a Unitarian version of Islam.
You're talking about the Israelis, right? Who has had children killed? Israelis. WHo has had their economy impacted by terrorism? Israelis.
You need to get some facts straight before you flap your lips.
Who has had children killed: Estimates vary, but from 2000 to present, approximately 124 Israeli children and 1441 Palestinian children.
Who has had their economy impacted by terrorism?
The Israeli unemployement is around 7.3%. The Palestinian unemployment is at 18.6% for the West Bank and for 34.8% Gaza (source is CIA factbook).
In Israel has risen, but most economists blame that on the global slowdown that has hit particularly hard in the high-tech areas (which Israel's economy is particularly dependent on). Palestinian unemployment is predominatly due to Israeli policies of closure and trade and movement restrictions that make it nearly impossible to conduct business.
No, there is no such thing as "religious apartheid." And if there were, it would not apply to Israel. What religion are the Druse?
Who is saying it's "religious" apartheid? It's racial according to the the definitions under international law...unless you can address the actual points and make a case for why it *isn't* rather than playing silly word games.
The Druze are Druze - something akin to a Unitarian version of Islam.
Citing a website with an obvious agenda is no way to bolster your case. We can point out the Israeli children were killed by Palestinian terrorists blowing up buses and the like. The Palestinian children were killed because the PLO and Hamas like to wage war in urban areas.
We've already established that Israelis and palestinians are the same race, so no arguing that one anymore.
And Palestinians have more rights in Israel than they do in, say Kuwait. Maybe your ire would be better directed to the Kuwaitis.
And as to the economy: Jordan's unemployment rate is officially at 13% and unofficially at 30%. So it isn't Israel causing their problems. It is government corruption and graft.
Is it more likeThe Druze are Druze - something akin to a Unitarian version of Islam.
Druze is to Islam as Protestant is to Catholic (A)
or
Druze is to Islam as Mormon is to Christian (B)
A simple A or B will suffice.
You need to get some facts straight before you flap your lips.
Who has had children killed: Estimates vary, but from 2000 to present, approximately 124 Israeli children and 1441 Palestinian children.
Who has had their economy impacted by terrorism?
The Israeli unemployement is around 7.3%. The Palestinian unemployment is at 18.6% for the West Bank and for 34.8% Gaza (source is CIA factbook).
In Israel has risen, but most economists blame that on the global slowdown that has hit particularly hard in the high-tech areas (which Israel's economy is particularly dependent on). Palestinian unemployment is predominatly due to Israeli policies of closure and trade and movement restrictions that make it nearly impossible to conduct business.
Who is saying it's "religious" apartheid? It's racial according to the the definitions under international law...unless you can address the actual points and make a case for why it *isn't* rather than playing silly word games.
The Druze are Druze - something akin to a Unitarian version of Islam.
Citing a website with an obvious agenda is no way to bolster your case. We can point out the Israeli children were killed by Palestinian terrorists blowing up buses and the like. The Palestinian children were killed because the PLO and Hamas like to wage war in urban areas.
Agenda or not, there is little dispute that the numbers of children killed is quite disproportionate but it's nice to see you making excuses for the murder of children with the same old tired rhetoric. I guess that somehow makes it ok eh?
Are Businessweek and the CIA Fact Book sources with obvious agendas too?
We've established nothing except that you are playing word games in an effort to dodge the issues.
And Palestinians have more rights in Israel than they do in, say Kuwait. Maybe your ire would be better directed to the Kuwaitis.
We aren't talking about Kuwait. We are talking about Israel and how it's policies resemble apartheid. Please try to keep up.
And as to the economy: Jordan's unemployment rate is officially at 13% and unofficially at 30%. So it isn't Israel causing their problems. It is government corruption and graft.
Source?
Again. We aren't talking about Jordan (who's governance, economy and demographics are completely different than that which exists in Gaza for example). We are talking about the Palestinians and Israel. If you are unable to discuss the topic and prefer to deflect then admit defeat.
I am not condoning murdering children. I think the Palestinians need to suffer consequences for murdering their own children as much as for murdering Israeli children.
The fact that they were willing to sacrifice so many is testament to their lack of compassion. Why would anyone want to negotiate with people who cause the murder of their own children, let alone others'?
You are trying to compare economic conditions in the West Bank/Gaza, which is a 3rd world dictatorship, with Israel, which is a 4th world democracy. A better comparison is with another 3rd world dictatorship, and Jordan fits the bill pretty well.
And my source for Jordan's unemployment rate was the CIA factbook. Same as you.
If you answer anything other than the obvious you have proven yourself a tool of the terrorists.
If I throw your dog in front of a truck, who is responsible for killing your dog, me or the truck? If I claim I did that because you looked bad at me, does that absolve me from all guilt?
If you answer anything other than the obvious you have proven yourself a tool of the terrorists.
If I throw your dog in front of a truck, who is responsible for killing your dog, me or the truck? If I claim I did that because you looked bad at me, does that absolve me from all guilt?
If you answer anything other than the obvious you have proven yourself a tool of the terrorists.
Your logic is flawed. Simply looking at the last conflict within Gaza points that out. White phospherous in an urban center - the most densly populated area on earth?
An Israeli kills an unarmed Palestinian.
A Palestinian kills an unarmed Israeli.
What's the difference?
The fact that you would label anyone who disagrees with you "a tool of the terrorists" shows you up as the joke you are - incapable of honest debate.
If I throw your dog in front of a truck, who is responsible for killing your dog, me or the truck? If I claim I did that because you looked bad at me, does that absolve me from all guilt?
If you answer anything other than the obvious you have proven yourself a tool of the terrorists.
Your logic is flawed. Simply looking at the last conflict within Gaza points that out. White phospherous in an urban center - the most densly populated area on earth?
An Israeli kills an unarmed Palestinian.
A Palestinian kills an unarmed Israeli.
What's the difference?
The fact that you would label anyone who disagrees with you "a tool of the terrorists" shows you up as the joke you are - incapable of honest debate.
While I don't agree with "Rabbi" (far from it in fact), it's not that simple. I would argue there is a big difference between targeting civilians (as the Palestinians do) and some civilians being killed in the context of a military operation (as the Israelis do).
Your logic is flawed. Simply looking at the last conflict within Gaza points that out. White phospherous in an urban center - the most densly populated area on earth?
An Israeli kills an unarmed Palestinian.
A Palestinian kills an unarmed Israeli.
What's the difference?
The fact that you would label anyone who disagrees with you "a tool of the terrorists" shows you up as the joke you are - incapable of honest debate.
While I don't agree with "Rabbi" (far from it in fact), it's not that simple. I would argue there is a big difference between targeting civilians (as the Palestinians do) and some civilians being killed in the context of a military operation (as the Israelis do).
What is the difference in the outcome of each situation?
While I don't agree with "Rabbi" (far from it in fact), it's not that simple. I would argue there is a big difference between targeting civilians (as the Palestinians do) and some civilians being killed in the context of a military operation (as the Israelis do).
What is the difference in the outcome of each situation?
What is the difference between being murdered and dying of natural causes, as the outcome is the same in both situations?
Your logic is flawed. Simply looking at the last conflict within Gaza points that out. White phospherous in an urban center - the most densly populated area on earth?
An Israeli kills an unarmed Palestinian.
A Palestinian kills an unarmed Israeli.
What's the difference?
The fact that you would label anyone who disagrees with you "a tool of the terrorists" shows you up as the joke you are - incapable of honest debate.
While I don't agree with "Rabbi" (far from it in fact), it's not that simple. I would argue there is a big difference between targeting civilians (as the Palestinians do) and some civilians being killed in the context of a military operation (as the Israelis do).
What is the difference in the outcome of each situation?