Best Peace Plan I have heard - From a Palestinian American

[Barb]

We're getting to it. I would ask where you had answered it previously but there's no point going there.
So let's try again: What race are the Israelis?

That's two questions.

Please refer back to my post of what "race" means in terms of international law and human rights and provide a suitable response.

No more freebies.

Can't answer that one, eh?

Because you know the answer. The answer is the Israelis and the Palestinians are the same race. Ergo it cannot be apartheid.
What it is is the self-preservation of a country inhabited by people who have not enjoyed their own political existence for 2k years and are now under siege by a murderous tribe that thinks nothing of blowing up their own women and children, much less their enemy's. As such it is not comparable to any other conflict.
Thanks for playing. On to the next subject.

So they're both of the Semitic race. No such thing as religious apartheid? Holy CHIT mon! These yahoos invented a brandy new way to skull fuck generations of people. But wait, NOTHING can be done about this injustice without the settling of the proper TERM for such scum buggery! Delay, delay... and meanwhile, lets blame the victims of this international crime for fighting BACK, because fuck knows that no-one else would VIOLENTLY oppose the taking of their lands, the killing of their children, the vicious control of what little economy (not to mention water) was allowed them based on a crime that took place on another fucking CONTINENT and enabled by the new bestest friends of the conquering ARMY.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I have to agree with you, Barb. We should not forget that it was the yet to be declared state of Israel that attacked Palestine and began its ethnic cleansing long before it had to "defend itself" from Arab attack. It was Israel that was the aggressive party and still is. There is no defense involved.

 

[The Rabbi]

That's two questions.

Please refer back to my post of what "race" means in terms of international law and human rights and provide a suitable response.

No more freebies.

Can't answer that one, eh?

Because you know the answer. The answer is the Israelis and the Palestinians are the same race. Ergo it cannot be apartheid.
What it is is the self-preservation of a country inhabited by people who have not enjoyed their own political existence for 2k years and are now under siege by a murderous tribe that thinks nothing of blowing up their own women and children, much less their enemy's. As such it is not comparable to any other conflict.
Thanks for playing. On to the next subject.

So they're both of the Semitic race. No such thing as religious apartheid? Holy CHIT mon! These yahoos invented a brandy new way to skull fuck generations of people. But wait, NOTHING can be done about this injustice without the settling of the proper TERM for such scum buggery! Delay, delay... and meanwhile, lets blame the victims of this international crime for fighting BACK, because fuck knows that no-one else would VIOLENTLY oppose the taking of their lands, the killing of their children, the vicious control of what little economy (not to mention water) was allowed them based on a crime that took place on another fucking CONTINENT and enabled by the new bestest friends of the conquering ARMY.

You're talking about the Israelis, right? Who has had children killed? Israelis. WHo has had their economy impacted by terrorism? Israelis.
No, there is no such thing as "religious apartheid." And if there were, it would not apply to Israel. What religion are the Druse?

 

[The Rabbi]

International human rights law? You're joking, right? These are the same jokers that consistently get together to condemn Israel while ignoring real human rights violations.
Don't even go there.

You're right...I keep forgetting that Israel is above condemnation by international law...

Anyway, you can define a dog as a cat, but it doesnt make it so. You can define Palestinians as a race separate from teh Israelis, but it doesn't make it so either. Who is playing semantic games now?

I laid out particular areas in which the Israeli/Palestinian situation resembles Aparthied. You consistently ignore it in an attempt to deflect this discussion into an issue of semantics.

You can lay out particular areas where America resembles Cuba. But that doesn't make the comparison valid.
What rights do Palestinians in Israel not have that Israelis do have? To serve in the army? Palestinians have exactly the same rights as Israelis. No point pretending otherwise. And Druse as well. What religion and race are the Druse, by the way?

 

[del]

"The two situations are nothing alike." -Mother Theresa.

Perhaps it looked that way from Calcutta.

I purposefully quoted individuals and organizations prominent in South Africa or Israel, many of whom experienced apartheid directly. When the architect of the system himself makes his diagnosis, there's simply no denying it. Israel is an apartheid state.

You quoted a bunch of politically interested persons who have a stake in making that connection. That is not proof of anything, other than that people can twist what they want to achieve their ends.
I could go on and on showing the differences but that would be superfluous here. Anyone who is convinced that the two are identical is already too far removed from reality.

translation- "i've shot my wad and a pretty pathetic one it was, too."

 

[The Rabbi]

Perhaps it looked that way from Calcutta.

I purposefully quoted individuals and organizations prominent in South Africa or Israel, many of whom experienced apartheid directly. When the architect of the system himself makes his diagnosis, there's simply no denying it. Israel is an apartheid state.

You quoted a bunch of politically interested persons who have a stake in making that connection. That is not proof of anything, other than that people can twist what they want to achieve their ends.
I could go on and on showing the differences but that would be superfluous here. Anyone who is convinced that the two are identical is already too far removed from reality.

translation- "i've shot my wad."

Translation: I have nothing of intelligence to add so I'll just show my ass instead.

 

[del]

You quoted a bunch of politically interested persons who have a stake in making that connection. That is not proof of anything, other than that people can twist what they want to achieve their ends.
I could go on and on showing the differences but that would be superfluous here. Anyone who is convinced that the two are identical is already too far removed from reality.

translation- "i've shot my wad."

Translation: I have nothing of intelligence to add so I'll just show my ass instead.

well, i'm not going to gainsay the original author, especially since i agree.

you should be exercising more, btw.

 

[del]

It's actually nothing like that, not in history, sociology, economics, or politics.
But keep trying....

"What is not so understandable, not justified, is what it did to another people to guarantee its existence. I've been very deeply distressed in my visit to the Holy Land; it reminded me so much of what happened to us black people in South Africa. I have seen the humiliation of the Palestinians at checkpoints and roadblocks, suffering like us when young white police officers prevented us from moving about."

-Archbishop Desmond Tutu, 2002
(Apartheid in the Holy Land | World news | The Guardian)
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"The Jews took Israel from the Arabs after the Arabs had lived there for a thousand years. Israel, like South Africa, is an apartheid state."

- Hendrik Verwoerd, South African PM and "Architect of Apartheid", 1961​

"Regarding apartheid, the team found that Israel's laws and policies in the OPT fit the definition of apartheid in the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid. Israeli law conveys privileges to Jewish settlers and disadvantages Palestinians in the same territory on the basis of their respective identities, which function in this case as racialised identities in the sense provided by international law. Israel's practices are corollary to five of the six 'inhuman acts' listed by the Convention. A policy of apartheid is especially indicated by Israel's demarcation of geographic ‘reserves' in the West Bank, to which Palestinian residence is confined and which Palestinians cannot leave without a permit. The system is very similar to the policy of ‘Grand Apartheid' in apartheid South Africa, in which black South Africans were confined to black homelands delineated by the South African government, while white South Africans enjoyed freedom of movement and full civil rights in the rest of the country."

- SA academic study finds that Israel is practicing apartheid and colonialism in the Occupied Palestinian Territories​

"The logic of Apartheid is akin to the logic of Zionism... Life for the Palestinians is infinitely worse than what we ever had experienced under Apartheid... The price they (Palestinians) have had to pay for resistance much more horrendous"

-Farid Esack​

"We call upon the Israeli government to cease their activities that are reminiscent of apartheid forced removals and resume negotiations immediately."

-South African Government; Nov 24, 2009
(International Relations and Cooperation on Israeli settlement activities in East Jerusalem)
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"In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day. The Six-Day War's seventh day has transformed us from a moral society, sure of the justice of Israel's creation, into a society that oppresses another people, preventing it from realizing its legitimate national aspirations. The Six-Day War's seventh day has transformed us from a just society into an unjust one, prepared to expand its control atop another nation's ruins. The discarding of our moral foundation has hurt us as a society, reinforcing the arguments of the world's hostile elements and sowers of evil and intensifying their influence."

- Michael Ben-Yair, Israeli Attorney General (1993-1996), 2002
(The war's seventh day - Haaretz - Israel News)​

"As someone who lived in apartheid South Africa and who has visited Palestine I say with confidence that Israel is an apartheid state. In fact, I believe that some of the atrocities committed against the Palestinians pale in comparison to those committed by the erstwhile apartheid regime in South Africa."

-Pres. Willie Madisha on behalf of the Congress of South African Trade Unions, 2006
(South African union joins boycott of Israel - Israel News, Ynetnews)​

"The two situations are nothing alike." -Mother Theresa.

"fucking jews."-mother theresa

 

[The Rabbi]

Now that's entirely possible as a quotation.....

 

[del]

Now that's entirely possible as a quotation.....

it has the exact same provenance as yours-none

 

[Sunni Man]

What religion are the Druse?

Don't try and claim the Druze are muslims.

They don't even consider themselves as muslims.

And no muslims view them as muslims or even Islamic.


5 men say they were attacked by Druze for being Muslim

Muslim youngsters claim they were encircled by angry mob in village of Majdal Shams, assaulted after they admitted being Muslim. 'They were attacked only because they were Muslims visiting a Druze village,' says one of victims' father

Five young Muslim men ended their Eid al-Adha vacation in the emergency room at Ziv hospital in Hedera, after they claimed they were attacked by Druze men from the village of Majdal Shams because of their religion.

"They were attacked only because they were Muslims visiting a Druze village," said the father of one of the victims.

The young men, aged 19 and 20, from the central cities of Tayba, Jatt and Baqa al-Gharbiyye, decided to spend their Eid al-Adha weekend vacation in a trip to the north. After spending the night in Kiryat Shmona, the five arrived Saturday afternoon to a restaurant in the Druze village of Majdal Shams, in the Golan Heights.

According to the young men's' testimony, after they finished eating, they walked back to the car and noticed some local residents were gathered around them.

"During the meal, they noticed something was wrong," said Haled, the father of one of the men who were attacked, "the locals started to curse them and asked whether they were Muslims. When they replied positively, the locals started pushing them and hitting them all over their bodies."

www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3813881,00.ht...

 

[The Rabbi]

Next you'll be telling us Kuwaitis aren't Muslims either:

The Kuwaiti government still insists on blaming the victims. They want the Palestinian Authority to apologize for the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. This is an illogical demand. Actually, the Kuwaiti government should apologize for evicting more than 450,000 Palestinians from the country, in 1991, for no reason other than scoring points against the Palestinian leadership. The Kuwaiti rudeness led to the death of Palestinian leader Faisal Al-Hussaini by heart attack during his visit to Kuwait, in May 2001. He was invited by a group of Kuwaiti activists during a conference about Jerusalem but he was subjected to rude attacks in the media and face to face, which contributed to his death alone in his room in the hotel.

Who should really apologize the Palestinians or Kuwaitis? Hassan El-Najjar

The Druse celebrate Eid al Fitr. Can you name another religion that celebrates Eid? Hmm? No?

 

[Sunni Man]

The Druse celebrate Eid al Fitr. Can you name another religion that celebrates Eid? Hmm? No?

Many Jews in America celebrate Christmas by giving out presents.

Does that make them Christians?

 

[The Rabbi]

The Druse celebrate Eid al Fitr. Can you name another religion that celebrates Eid? Hmm? No?

Many Jews in America celebrate Christmas by giving out presents.

Does that make them Christians?

No Jews in America (except Christians) celebrate Christmas.
But please answer the question: what other religion celebrates Eid?

 

[del]

Next you'll be telling us Kuwaitis aren't Muslims either:

The Kuwaiti government still insists on blaming the victims. They want the Palestinian Authority to apologize for the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. This is an illogical demand. Actually, the Kuwaiti government should apologize for evicting more than 450,000 Palestinians from the country, in 1991, for no reason other than scoring points against the Palestinian leadership. The Kuwaiti rudeness led to the death of Palestinian leader Faisal Al-Hussaini by heart attack during his visit to Kuwait, in May 2001. He was invited by a group of Kuwaiti activists during a conference about Jerusalem but he was subjected to rude attacks in the media and face to face, which contributed to his death alone in his room in the hotel.

Who should really apologize the Palestinians or Kuwaitis? Hassan El-Najjar

The Druse celebrate Eid al Fitr. Can you name another religion that celebrates Eid? Hmm? No?

unitarians celebrate eid.

go get another *quote* from mother theresa; they're very effective.

 

[Sunni Man]

OK then Rabbi,

Both Jews and Christians do celebrate Halloween.

Does that make them Druids?

 

[GHook93]

What religion are the Druse?

Don't try and claim the Druze are muslims.

Why would they? Druze don't and neither do Muslims! The Druze Israeli leadership are the ones that proposed mandatory military conscriptions for the Druze Israeli. In fact they are more patriotic and loyal than many Jewish Israelis.

 

[The Rabbi]

OK then Rabbi,

Both Jews and Christians do celebrate Halloween.

Does that make them Druids?

And Halloween is a Druid holiday?

 

[del]

OK then Rabbi,

Both Jews and Christians do celebrate Halloween.

Does that make them Druids?

And Halloween is a Druid holiday?

yes, it is, bubbeleh.

you should get out more.

 

[Sunni Man]

OK then Rabbi,

Both Jews and Christians do celebrate Halloween.

Does that make them Druids?

And Halloween is a Druid holiday?

Ancient Origins of Halloween

The Celts, who lived 2,000 years ago in the area that is now Ireland, the United Kingdom, and northern France, celebrated their new year on November 1. This day marked the end of summer and the harvest and the beginning of the dark, cold winter, a time of year that was often associated with human death. Celts believed that on the night before the new year, the boundary between the worlds of the living and the dead became blurred. On the night of October 31, they celebrated Samhain, when it was believed that the ghosts of the dead returned to earth. In addition to causing trouble and damaging crops, Celts thought that the presence of the otherworldly spirits made it easier for the Druids, or Celtic priests, to make predictions about the future. For a people entirely dependent on the volatile natural world, these prophecies were an important source of comfort and direction during the long, dark winter.

To commemorate the event, Druids built huge sacred bonfires, where the people gathered to burn crops and animals as sacrifices to the Celtic deities.

During the celebration, the Celts wore costumes, typically consisting of animal heads and skins, and attempted to tell each other's fortunes. When the celebration was over, they re-lit their hearth fires, which they had extinguished earlier that evening, from the sacred bonfire to help protect them during the coming winter.

History of Halloween - History.com