Who ruled heaven on this day. God or Satan?

[GreatestIam]

Who ruled heaven on this day. God or Satan?

This quote speaks of God choosing Jesus as a human sacrifice to take our just punishment for our sins. Dogma says that we cannot redeem ourselves from God condemnation. 1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

The above quote shows this as Gods first actual judgement as judge and shows the setting and accepting of a bribe or human sacrifice to corrupt his justice. That justice usually stated that only the punishment of the guilty was acceptable to justice and that it would be unjust to punish the innocent. The corruption of God’s usual justice is what the bribe or sacrifice of Jesus bought. Injustice.

Recognizing that by whatever name you would use, sacrifice, ransom, bribe or payment, would you say such an immoral request and legal injustice would most likely be demanded by a God or by a Satan?

If punishing the innocent is not a just and moral thing to do, I would say that Satan would be the one to ask or demand such a sacrifice.

That would have Satan ruling heaven and not God as a good God would not do such an immoral thing.

Do you agree that Satan is more likely to ask for us to accept an immoral human sacrifice to bail us out than God would?

If you agree, does that indicate that Satan was ruling in heaven and not God on that day?

Regards
DL

 

[Hossfly]

Who ruled heaven on this day. God or Satan?

This quote speaks of God choosing Jesus as a human sacrifice to take our just punishment for our sins. Dogma says that we cannot redeem ourselves from God condemnation. 1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

The above quote shows this as Gods first actual judgement as judge and shows the setting and accepting of a bribe or human sacrifice to corrupt his justice. That justice usually stated that only the punishment of the guilty was acceptable to justice and that it would be unjust to punish the innocent. The corruption of God’s usual justice is what the bribe or sacrifice of Jesus bought. Injustice.

Recognizing that by whatever name you would use, sacrifice, ransom, bribe or payment, would you say such an immoral request and legal injustice would most likely be demanded by a God or by a Satan?

If punishing the innocent is not a just and moral thing to do, I would say that Satan would be the one to ask or demand such a sacrifice.

That would have Satan ruling heaven and not God as a good God would not do such an immoral thing.

Do you agree that Satan is more likely to ask for us to accept an immoral human sacrifice to bail us out than God would?

If you agree, does that indicate that Satan was ruling in heaven and not God on that day?

Regards
DL

God rules heaven. Satan rules the Earth. Obama rules Washington.

 

[GreatestIam]

Who ruled heaven on this day. God or Satan?

This quote speaks of God choosing Jesus as a human sacrifice to take our just punishment for our sins. Dogma says that we cannot redeem ourselves from God condemnation. 1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

The above quote shows this as Gods first actual judgement as judge and shows the setting and accepting of a bribe or human sacrifice to corrupt his justice. That justice usually stated that only the punishment of the guilty was acceptable to justice and that it would be unjust to punish the innocent. The corruption of God’s usual justice is what the bribe or sacrifice of Jesus bought. Injustice.

Recognizing that by whatever name you would use, sacrifice, ransom, bribe or payment, would you say such an immoral request and legal injustice would most likely be demanded by a God or by a Satan?

If punishing the innocent is not a just and moral thing to do, I would say that Satan would be the one to ask or demand such a sacrifice.

That would have Satan ruling heaven and not God as a good God would not do such an immoral thing.

Do you agree that Satan is more likely to ask for us to accept an immoral human sacrifice to bail us out than God would?

If you agree, does that indicate that Satan was ruling in heaven and not God on that day?

Regards
DL

God rules heaven. Satan rules the Earth. Obama rules Washington.

You then agree with God and think it good justice to punish the innocent instead of the guilty. Right?

Regards
DL

 

[Hossfly]

Who ruled heaven on this day. God or Satan?

This quote speaks of God choosing Jesus as a human sacrifice to take our just punishment for our sins. Dogma says that we cannot redeem ourselves from God condemnation. 1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

The above quote shows this as Gods first actual judgement as judge and shows the setting and accepting of a bribe or human sacrifice to corrupt his justice. That justice usually stated that only the punishment of the guilty was acceptable to justice and that it would be unjust to punish the innocent. The corruption of God’s usual justice is what the bribe or sacrifice of Jesus bought. Injustice.

Recognizing that by whatever name you would use, sacrifice, ransom, bribe or payment, would you say such an immoral request and legal injustice would most likely be demanded by a God or by a Satan?

If punishing the innocent is not a just and moral thing to do, I would say that Satan would be the one to ask or demand such a sacrifice.

That would have Satan ruling heaven and not God as a good God would not do such an immoral thing.

Do you agree that Satan is more likely to ask for us to accept an immoral human sacrifice to bail us out than God would?

If you agree, does that indicate that Satan was ruling in heaven and not God on that day?

Regards
DL

God rules heaven. Satan rules the Earth. Obama rules Washington.

You then agree with God and think it good justice to punish the innocent instead of the guilty. Right?

Regards
DL

What? Did I say that?

 

[GreatestIam]

Who ruled heaven on this day. God or Satan?

This quote speaks of God choosing Jesus as a human sacrifice to take our just punishment for our sins. Dogma says that we cannot redeem ourselves from God condemnation. 1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

The above quote shows this as Gods first actual judgement as judge and shows the setting and accepting of a bribe or human sacrifice to corrupt his justice. That justice usually stated that only the punishment of the guilty was acceptable to justice and that it would be unjust to punish the innocent. The corruption of God’s usual justice is what the bribe or sacrifice of Jesus bought. Injustice.

Recognizing that by whatever name you would use, sacrifice, ransom, bribe or payment, would you say such an immoral request and legal injustice would most likely be demanded by a God or by a Satan?

If punishing the innocent is not a just and moral thing to do, I would say that Satan would be the one to ask or demand such a sacrifice.

That would have Satan ruling heaven and not God as a good God would not do such an immoral thing.

Do you agree that Satan is more likely to ask for us to accept an immoral human sacrifice to bail us out than God would?

If you agree, does that indicate that Satan was ruling in heaven and not God on that day?

Regards
DL

God rules heaven. Satan rules the Earth. Obama rules Washington.

You then agree with God and think it good justice to punish the innocent instead of the guilty. Right?

Regards
DL

What? Did I say that?

If I got it wrong then answer the O.P. properly.

Regards
DL

 

[onefour1]

Man in his imperfect immortal state desired to become like God. God, loving his children, also wanted his children to have the opportunity to progress and become like him. Since the intelligent part of God's children have always existed and were in an imperfect state, God couldn't create them out of nothing and make them to be perfect. Ex Nihilo creation is a false concept. So it became imperative that his children take on a body and come to this earth to learn to walk by faith. They needed to learn to do good of their own volition in the face of opposition. Because of their imperfect state of being, God knew that man would make mistakes. But because the law of heaven is an eternal law that demands justice on all who break the law, man would fall from being worthy to be in God's kingdom or presence. This is where a Savior came into the picture. God could not simply allow his children to come back into his kingdom and presence without breaking the law of justice himself. It would have been unjust for God to do so. So out of love for his children, he would send his first born spirit child, Jesus Christ, to the earth, who had reached perfection of spirit before coming to the earth, and have him suffer for all the sins of the world. The key factor in all of this is that Jesus would never sin while on the earth. He would be as a Lamb without blemish. He would then suffer for all the sins of mankind. Jesus was given the opportunity to choose to be the Savior. Because he loves us, he chose to be the Savior. Was it unjust that Christ suffer; He himself being a sinless being? Yes, it was unjust. He didn't deserve to suffer and die. But because he chose to do it, the love of God was made manifest. This great injustice needed to be recompensed. And the recompense was to be as extensive as the suffering and pain that he bore. The recompense was that he was given the right to forgive mankind of his sins if they would repent. And since that suffering was for all the sins of mankind, the extent of his recompense was to cover all mankind. Greater love has not been manifest to us in all eternity. It was the Just for the Unjust. One man, through his eternal love for his brothers and sisters, chose to lay down his life and suffer so that the rest of us could have a chance to progress and live with Him and the Father again. He did it so that we could all have more joy and happiness in eternity. The father himself had to witness the excruciating pain and suffering of his beloved firstborn son in the spirit and only begotten son in the flesh. He allowed Abraham to understand his pain by having him (nearly) sacrifice his son. It was all done for us.

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jesus will forever be revered by all in the eternities for his love for us. The demands of justice were satisfied and the repentant sinner was again allowed to enter the presence of his/her Father and partake of all the blessings of heaven.

 

[GreatestIam]

Man in his imperfect immortal state desired to become like God. God, loving his children, also wanted his children to have the opportunity to progress and become like him. Since the intelligent part of God's children have always existed and were in an imperfect state, God couldn't create them out of nothing and make them to be perfect. Ex Nihilo creation is a false concept. So it became imperative that his children take on a body and come to this earth to learn to walk by faith. They needed to learn to do good of their own volition in the face of opposition. Because of their imperfect state of being, God knew that man would make mistakes. But because the law of heaven is an eternal law that demands justice on all who break the law, man would fall from being worthy to be in God's kingdom or presence. This is where a Savior came into the picture. God could not simply allow his children to come back into his kingdom and presence without breaking the law of justice himself. It would have been unjust for God to do so. So out of love for his children, he would send his first born spirit child, Jesus Christ, to the earth, who had reached perfection of spirit before coming to the earth, and have him suffer for all the sins of the world. The key factor in all of this is that Jesus would never sin while on the earth. He would be as a Lamb without blemish. He would then suffer for all the sins of mankind. Jesus was given the opportunity to choose to be the Savior. Because he loves us, he chose to be the Savior. Was it unjust that Christ suffer; He himself being a sinless being? Yes, it was unjust. He didn't deserve to suffer and die. But because he chose to do it, the love of God was made manifest. This great injustice needed to be recompensed. And the recompense was to be as extensive as the suffering and pain that he bore. The recompense was that he was given the right to forgive mankind of his sins if they would repent. And since that suffering was for all the sins of mankind, the extent of his recompense was to cover all mankind. Greater love has not been manifest to us in all eternity. It was the Just for the Unjust. One man, through his eternal love for his brothers and sisters, chose to lay down his life and suffer so that the rest of us could have a chance to progress and live with Him and the Father again. He did it so that we could all have more joy and happiness in eternity. The father himself had to witness the excruciating pain and suffering of his beloved firstborn son in the spirit and only begotten son in the flesh. He allowed Abraham to understand his pain by having him (nearly) sacrifice his son. It was all done for us.

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jesus will forever be revered by all in the eternities for his love for us. The demands of justice were satisfied and the repentant sinner was again allowed to enter the presence of his/her Father and partake of all the blessings of heaven.

Buddy. If you want me to bother reading what you pasted, answer the O.P. first.

But to John 3;16, if God loved the world then he would not have condemned it and if he would have loved his son, he would have had the balls to step up himself.

Now answer the O.P. or not.

Regards
DL

 

[onefour1]

You do not understand. The Father could not lay down his life because he was already a resurrected immortal being. It had to one who could lay down his life. His son was the only choice. The world was not condemned but placed into a probationary state for man to decide his own fate. God made all the preparation for man to have eternal life. Man only needed to choose it.

 

[onefour1]

Satan has never been the supreme ruler of heaven or earth.

 

[GreatestIam]

You do not understand. The Father could not lay down his life because he was already a resurrected immortal being. It had to one who could lay down his life. His son was the only choice. The world was not condemned but placed into a probationary state for man to decide his own fate. God made all the preparation for man to have eternal life. Man only needed to choose it.

Now you are just making up your own theology.

Show scriptures to show the Father as a resurrected being.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Satan has never been the supreme ruler of heaven or earth.

If Satan did not have dominion over the earth then the temptation of Jesus in the desert was a sham or fraud. Right?

It would have to be a fraud if Satan had nothing to tempt with. Right?

You keep skipping the main issue.

Do you agree that Satan is more likely to ask for us to accept an immoral human sacrifice to bail us out than God would?

Regards
DL

 

[onefour1]

You do not understand. The Father could not lay down his life because he was already a resurrected immortal being. It had to one who could lay down his life. His son was the only choice. The world was not condemned but placed into a probationary state for man to decide his own fate. God made all the preparation for man to have eternal life. Man only needed to choose it.

Now you are just making up your own theology.

Show scriptures to show the Father as a resurrected being.

Regards
DL

Doctrine and Covenants 130:22
22 The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.

Hebrews 1:3
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

John 5:19
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Does this not also include resurrection?

 

[onefour1]

Satan has never been the supreme ruler of heaven or earth.

If Satan did not have dominion over the earth then the temptation of Jesus in the desert was a sham or fraud. Right?

It one thing to be allowed to be a tempter and quite another to be the supreme ruler.

It would have to be a fraud if Satan had nothing to tempt with. Right?

He was given power to tempt man. But not to overpower man's free will. Still doesn't give him power over God.

You keep skipping the main issue.

what exactly is the main issue?

Do you agree that Satan is more likely to ask for us to accept an immoral human sacrifice to bail us out than God would?

Yes, because the priests of Baal offered immoral human sacrifices. These sacrifices availed mankind nothing and were only done to dehumanize man and turn him into a murderous beast.

The voluntary sacrifice of the Son of God was done out love to appease the demands of justice so that God could be a just God and also a merciful God. It brought salvation unto all men and exalted Christ to the highest of honors among the sons of God. It was the greatest act of love and mercy and quite frankly the only way God could grant mercy to fallen man to allow him to both progress and find forgiveness for his mistakes along the way.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Greatestlam,

The above, "Doctrine and Covenants" quote is simply a book of Mormon claptrap. I wouldn't even go there, if I were you.

 

[GreatestIam]

You do not understand. The Father could not lay down his life because he was already a resurrected immortal being. It had to one who could lay down his life. His son was the only choice. The world was not condemned but placed into a probationary state for man to decide his own fate. God made all the preparation for man to have eternal life. Man only needed to choose it.

Now you are just making up your own theology.

Show scriptures to show the Father as a resurrected being.

Regards
DL

Doctrine and Covenants 130:22
22 The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.

Hebrews 1:3
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

John 5:19
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Does this not also include resurrection?

Are those quotes more powerful than what Jesus says?

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

If the Father and Jesus are flesh then they cannot abode in us.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Satan has never been the supreme ruler of heaven or earth.

If Satan did not have dominion over the earth then the temptation of Jesus in the desert was a sham or fraud. Right?

It one thing to be allowed to be a tempter and quite another to be the supreme ruler.

It would have to be a fraud if Satan had nothing to tempt with. Right?

He was given power to tempt man. But not to overpower man's free will. Still doesn't give him power over God.

You keep skipping the main issue.

what exactly is the main issue?

Do you agree that Satan is more likely to ask for us to accept an immoral human sacrifice to bail us out than God would?

Yes, because the priests of Baal offered immoral human sacrifices. These sacrifices availed mankind nothing and were only done to dehumanize man and turn him into a murderous beast.

The voluntary sacrifice of the Son of God was done out love to appease the demands of justice so that God could be a just God and also a merciful God. It brought salvation unto all men and exalted Christ to the highest of honors among the sons of God. It was the greatest act of love and mercy and quite frankly the only way God could grant mercy to fallen man to allow him to both progress and find forgiveness for his mistakes along the way.

You say that human sacrifice is immoral yet adore a Jesus who you say volunteered for one and that that somehow makes it moral.

That and they way you hypocritically answered on the question of Satan and dominion indicate that we cannot really have a decent conversation.

I like straight talk and not what you do so I think we should part now.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Greatestlam,

The above, "Doctrine and Covenants" quote is simply a book of Mormon claptrap. I wouldn't even go there, if I were you.

Mormonism was created the same way all religions were.

This well done clip shows how quite well.



Regards
DL

 

[hortysir]

Satan has never been the supreme ruler of heaven or earth.

If Satan did not have dominion over the earth then the temptation of Jesus in the desert was a sham or fraud. Right?

It one thing to be allowed to be a tempter and quite another to be the supreme ruler.

It would have to be a fraud if Satan had nothing to tempt with. Right?

He was given power to tempt man. But not to overpower man's free will. Still doesn't give him power over God.

You keep skipping the main issue.

what exactly is the main issue?

Do you agree that Satan is more likely to ask for us to accept an immoral human sacrifice to bail us out than God would?

Yes, because the priests of Baal offered immoral human sacrifices. These sacrifices availed mankind nothing and were only done to dehumanize man and turn him into a murderous beast.

The voluntary sacrifice of the Son of God was done out love to appease the demands of justice so that God could be a just God and also a merciful God. It brought salvation unto all men and exalted Christ to the highest of honors among the sons of God. It was the greatest act of love and mercy and quite frankly the only way God could grant mercy to fallen man to allow him to both progress and find forgiveness for his mistakes along the way.

You say that human sacrifice is immoral yet adore a Jesus who you say volunteered for one and that that somehow makes it moral.

That and they way you hypocritically answered on the question of Satan and dominion indicate that we cannot really have a decent conversation.

I like straight talk and not what you do so I think we should part now.

Regards
DL

The entire OT is packed with sacrifice over "blood laws".
Jesus was presented as the Perfect Lamb for the final sacrifice.

Lucifer tried to rule Heaven once.
He failed and he and his cohorts were cast down for it.

To suggest that Satan ever ruled Heaven, even for a day, is remarkably ...... something....... Ignorant isn't the right word..... Wrong, I guess, is the best word I have for it

 

[GreatestIam]

Satan has never been the supreme ruler of heaven or earth.

If Satan did not have dominion over the earth then the temptation of Jesus in the desert was a sham or fraud. Right?

It one thing to be allowed to be a tempter and quite another to be the supreme ruler.

It would have to be a fraud if Satan had nothing to tempt with. Right?

He was given power to tempt man. But not to overpower man's free will. Still doesn't give him power over God.

You keep skipping the main issue.

what exactly is the main issue?

Do you agree that Satan is more likely to ask for us to accept an immoral human sacrifice to bail us out than God would?

Yes, because the priests of Baal offered immoral human sacrifices. These sacrifices availed mankind nothing and were only done to dehumanize man and turn him into a murderous beast.

The voluntary sacrifice of the Son of God was done out love to appease the demands of justice so that God could be a just God and also a merciful God. It brought salvation unto all men and exalted Christ to the highest of honors among the sons of God. It was the greatest act of love and mercy and quite frankly the only way God could grant mercy to fallen man to allow him to both progress and find forgiveness for his mistakes along the way.

You say that human sacrifice is immoral yet adore a Jesus who you say volunteered for one and that that somehow makes it moral.

That and they way you hypocritically answered on the question of Satan and dominion indicate that we cannot really have a decent conversation.

I like straight talk and not what you do so I think we should part now.

Regards
DL

The entire OT is packed with sacrifice over "blood laws".
Jesus was presented as the Perfect Lamb for the final sacrifice.

Lucifer tried to rule Heaven once.
He failed and he and his cohorts were cast down for it.

To suggest that Satan ever ruled Heaven, even for a day, is remarkably ...... something....... Ignorant isn't the right word..... Wrong, I guess, is the best word I have for it

The issue was on the immorality of Christian belief. Not the idiocy of reading a myth like it was history.

Bill Moyers Journal . Watch Listen PBS

Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

Please listen as to what is said about literal reading.

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

Regards
DL

 

[presonorek]

God rules heaven. Satan rules the Earth. Obama rules Washington.

Those are fairly accurate.