Jake Tapper (CNN) just said that the super-secret crime that turns the bookkeeping misdemeanor into a felony is:

Is Trump's NDA with Stormy Daniels illegal by hiding information from voters?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 10.5%
  • No

    Votes: 17 89.5%

  • Total voters
    19

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Mods: Just saw this on TV, so there may not be a link yet.

Jake was talking to two judges and said that the crime that turns the bookkeeping misdemeanor into a felony is "hiding information from voters".

That makes no sense to me. I thought that "Non-Disclosure Agreements" were always perfectly legal.

Is there an exception for Federal election candidates?

Can states enforce Federal election laws? Or, is NY misinterpreting Federal election law?

"So this is the case: A serial perjurer used to convert a dead state misdemeanor into a felony based on an alleged federal election crime that was rejected by the Justice Department.

But Bragg then used the alleged federal crime to bootstrap a defunct misdemeanor charge into a felony in the current case. He is arguing that Trump intentionally lied when his former lawyer Michael Cohen listed the payments as retainer costs rather than a payment — to avoid reporting it as a campaign contribution to himself."

Is the $130,000 paid to Stormy a campaign contribution from Trump to Trump's campaign?

So Jake Tapper's interpretation may be wrong? Bragg should have specifically listed the "secret crime" that turned the misdemeanor into a felony on the Bill of Particulars, but he didn't.
Was the secret crime:
Hiding info from voters?
Or not reporting a $130,000 campaign contribution (to Stormy) from himself to himself?
 
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Mods: Just saw this on TV, so there may not be a link yet.

Jake was talking to two judges and said that the crime that turns the bookkeeping misdemeanor into a felony is "hiding information from voters".

That makes no sense to me. I thought that "Non-Disclosure Agreements" were always perfectly legal.

Is there an exception for Federal election candidates?

Can states enforce Federal election laws? Or, is NY misinterpreting Federal election law?

"So this is the case: A serial perjurer used to convert a dead state misdemeanor into a felony based on an alleged federal election crime that was rejected by the Justice Department.

But Bragg then used the alleged federal crime to bootstrap a defunct misdemeanor charge into a felony in the current case. He is arguing that Trump intentionally lied when his former lawyer Michael Cohen listed the payments as retainer costs rather than a payment — to avoid reporting it as a campaign contribution to himself."

Is the $130,000 paid to Stormy a campaign contribution from Trump to Trump's campaign?

So Jake Tapper's interpretation may be wrong? Bragg should have specifically listed the "secret crime" that turned the misdemeanor into a felony on the Bill of Particulars, but he didn't.
Was the secret crime:
Hiding info from voters?
Or not reporting a $130,000 campaign contribution (to Stormy) from himself to himself?
Fake Tapper is a joke.
 

Thanks for that link, These are the "secret crimes" that don't appear on the Billn of particulars.
"The first two theories argue that the Daniels payoff constituted an illegal contribution to Trump’s campaign in violation of federal and state election law, respectively.
The third theory alleges that Trump intended to violate New York tax law by inflating and falsely characterizing the reimbursement to Cohen to manipulate its tax consequences."

1. The 1st two theories, ("theories" since Bragg won't officially specify them) are wrong since the USSC already said that there are no limits on contributing to your own campaign, i.e. its "free speech". So first off paying for an NDA is NOT a campaign contribution, its a private business transaction. The FEC and DOJ already looked at this and did not pursue.

2. How could Trump violate NY tax law by paying more in taxes? If he paid Stormy cash there would be much less tax paid.

So those are two more plausible "secret crimes" that Bragg could charge Trump with, in addition to "keeping info from voters" and not reporting a "campaign contribution" for the Stormy NDA.
 
Thanks for that link, These are the "secret crimes" that don't appear on the Billn of particulars.
"The first two theories argue that the Daniels payoff constituted an illegal contribution to Trump’s campaign in violation of federal and state election law, respectively.
The third theory alleges that Trump intended to violate New York tax law by inflating and falsely characterizing the reimbursement to Cohen to manipulate its tax consequences."

1. The 1st two theories, ("theories" since Bragg won't officially specify them) are wrong since the USSC already said that there are no limits on contributing to your own campaign, i.e. its "free speech". So first off paying for an NDA is NOT a campaign contribution, its a private business transaction. The FEC and DOJ already looked at this and did not pursue.

2. How could Trump violate NY tax law by paying more in taxes? If he paid Stormy cash there would be much less tax paid.

So those are two more plausible "secret crimes" that Bragg could charge Trump with, in addition to "keeping info from voters" and not reporting a "campaign contribution" for the Stormy NDA.
You can claim anything you want “counselor” but the legal system sees it differently.

And for the record

A. What Trump did is at the very least a misdemeanor. Misdemeanors are CRIMES my friend. Often resulting in jail time for “regular” folks

B. What Trump did was done to hide the CRIMES that Cohen was convicted of.

That all by itself turns that misdemeanor into a felony.

The “underlying crime” need not be committed by the person charged. If it was committed to cover someone else’s crime… it becomes a felony

You up to speed now junior?
 
Bragg will get his conviction because of the corrupt NY system, but that same corrupt system will get bitchslapped once this sham gets to a real court.
That same “corrupt system” is going to convict Menendez
 
That same “corrupt system” is going to convict Menendez

Prolly, Barack Hussein promised retribution for Menendez's criticism of Obama's Cuba Policy
and The Iran Deal.

Hussein really hated Menendez on the Iran deal.
 

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