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Zone1 "We Can Hunt Down a 95 YO Holocaust Participant For PERJURY, But Are Unable to Charge a Woman Who Instigated The MURDER of a Black Teenager"

Lisa558

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The prosecution didn't meet their burden of proof of 98% being beyond a reasonable doubt that he was guilty. If you're going to take a person's freedom and/or their life, our criminal justice system wants to be as reasonably sure as possible that the person they're sentencing is actually guilty.

He was held to the same standards as others similarly situation as himself, meaning the same standard as "white folks". He also was a celebrity and a lot of people liked him and refused to believe that he committed this crime.
Explain how Ron Goldman’s blood was found in OJ Simpson’s car.

(Oops….I just remembered: I am not allowed to refer to anyone who happens to be Jewish, or Newsvine pitches a fit and says I have to drag Jews into everything.)
 

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Mark Furhmans lie killed the case. Now you guys want to talk about OJ, but their is a list of murdered blacks going black 400 years wwhereby whites killed blacks and got away with it. There was even a law that allowed it to be done.


And that silly dodge about going back 400 years has no merit since blacks are dying today by mysterious suicides coincidently all by hanging.

Funny how you can remember a juror nobody else ever heard.
No, jury selection killed their case along with Lance Ito. Furman’s remarks would never have allowed by an impartial judge since they had nothing to do with the case. Just like an impartial judge wouldn’t have allowed an ACTOR to “struggle” putting on the glove he murdered two people with. An impartial judge would have forced the dream team to either use a hand mannikin or someone not involved in the case to show the size of the glove.
 

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Mark Furhmans lie killed the case. Now you guys want to talk about OJ, but their is a list of murdered blacks going black 400 years wwhereby whites killed blacks and got away with it. There was even a law that allowed it to be done.


And that silly dodge about going back 400 years has no merit since blacks are dying today by mysterious suicides coincidently all by hanging.

Funny how you can remember a juror nobody else ever heard.
Oh, since whites killed blacks that gives blacks a free pass to kill whites now?
 

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Oh, since whites killed blacks that gives blacks a free pass to kill whites now?
Do you see anything where I have said that? I am pointing out 400 years of whites getting away with killing blacks in contrast to you guuys brining uo OJ all the time.
 

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How did you arrive at the conclusion that her only crime was perjury and that there is inadequate evidence if she admitted she lied?

She was a participant in a conspiracy to commit murder, a murder that was motivated by a lie she told.

If you give your friend a ride to the bank and they come running out yelling at you "GO GO GO!!!" and you take off, even if you didn't know you were driving your friend to the bank to commit an armed robbery, you're still considered the get-away driver.

And if your friend shot and killed someone you can be charged as an accomplice even if you didn't know what your friends plans were or even if your friend didn't actually plan on shooting and killing anyone during the commission of the bank robbery.

What Is The Felony Murder Rule? - Michael A. Gottlieb, P.A.
You have a link for the bold. BTW bitches tell lies everyday that lead to Captain Save a Ho murdering someone.
 

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No, jury selection killed their case along with Lance Ito. Furman’s remarks would never have allowed by an impartial judge since they had nothing to do with the case. Just like an impartial judge wouldn’t have allowed an ACTOR to “struggle” putting on the glove he murdered two people with. An impartial judge would have forced the dream team to either use a hand mannikin or someone not involved in the case to show the size of the glove.
No, Furhman lie killed the case. Thats what a white jury member said.
 

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Explain how Ron Goldman’s blood was found in OJ Simpson’s car.

(Oops….I just remembered: I am not allowed to refer to anyone who happens to be Jewish, or Newsvine pitches a fit and says I have to drag Jews into everything.)
I don't think it was.
 

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No, Furhman lie killed the case. Thats what a white jury member said.
Testimony that should never have been admitted. Fuhrman using the N word while trying to sell a screenplay years before had no bearing on the case.
 

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There are individuals who will go to their graves still denying that there exists any difference in the way Black people in the United States are treated versus the way many White people are treated.

When it comes to crimes, modern day crimes, I have long been documenting the differences in the way a criminal report is [allowed to be] lodged, the allegations investigated, the case referred/recommended for prosecution, then the perpetrator(s) charged, tried and sentenced when the victim is Black and the perpetrator is White.

There is no status of limitations on murder therefore no justice to be had for the family of Emmett Till but our Justice department was able to do this on behalf of the Jewish people, who for the most part are White:

There is a division within the Department of Justice set up to root out in the U.S. participants at any level in the European Holocaust for prosecution. I am intimate with this work: I ran a division at the Justice Department that supported it and pushed for legislation for compensation for Holocaust victims. And that work inspired me to commit to bring similar focus and energy to analogous cases of civil rights murder, including volunteering to help members of the Till family and their supporters draw attention to the history.​
In one example of the prosecutions of Nazis, America extracted a 95-year-old from his home and medevaced him to Germany for lying on his immigration form when he entered the U.S. There was no bureaucratic concern about statutes of limitations on perjury; there was no plea for compassion because of the reach of time, frailty or the possible pressure that these young people endured by Nazi commanders.
I’m proud of this work. The Justice Department’s long-term effort to root out those who supported Germany’s state genocide is among America’s strongest examples of its defense of human and civil rights. And the principle behind it is not retribution but an aspect of declaring “never again”: the forward-looking value that teaches people that ***this evil, even when carried out by the foot soldiers***, cannot be pardoned or explained away***.


Opinion | What hunting Nazis tells us about the case of Emmett Till

Emmett Till had a last chance at justice. And we wasted it.​

What does it say about us — not the woman who accused him — that she has escaped justice?​
Emmett Till lies on his bed in 1954.
Emmett Till in 1954.Bettmann Archive via Getty Images
Aug. 10, 2022, 3:26 PM PDT​
By Robert Raben, former assistant attorney general
Emmett Till, 14, was tortured to death on an August night in 1955 in a sweltering farm shed in Mississippi. His cries and moans went on for hours, heard by the nearby farmers. We know who bludgeoned him to death, since J.W. Milam and Roy Bryant admitted to committing the crime in the story they sold for $4,000 to Look magazine.​
But no one was ever punished.​
Today, hiding in plain sight is the last living person who could be held accountable: Carolyn Bryant Donham, the white woman whose story about Till’s confronting her while she was tending to her store alone at night triggered the monstrous extrajudicial response of her husband and other relatives, lives in North Carolina.​
It can seem like the time for incarcerating her has passed. But justice demands accountability in whatever time is left.​
The revelation this summer of a 1955 warrant for her arrest gave hope to Till’s family that justice might finally be served. But an aide to Mississippi Attorney General Lynn Fitch last month boldly said there was no new evidence to justify her arrest, and it was announced Tuesday that a grand jury had declined to indict her.​
In the years following Till’s death, Donham married twice, took classes at Delta State University and made jewelry that she sold at arts and crafts shows. She popped up on Facebook under an assumed name, tended to her dogs and lived a life devoid of one notable thing: punishment.​
But the debate about whether or not the facts compel her indictment is actually the sideshow; on the main stage is a much harder question: What does it say about us — not her — that she has escaped justice?​
At the time of Till’s death, the Leflore County, Mississippi, sheriff told reporters he did not want to “bother” Donham because she had two young children to care for. Today, she’s in her late 80s, and it can seem like the time for incarcerating her has passed.
But justice demands accountability in whatever time is left. This principle has guided America’s policy in extraditing elderly Holocaust perpetrators back to Europe in the belief that they must pay for their crimes however possible — that if the only punishment left to be meted out is the denial of freedom in old age, than that’s the sentence that must be delivered.

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There is a division within the Department of Justice set up to root out in the U.S. participants at any level in the European Holocaust for prosecution. I am intimate with this work: I ran a division at the Justice Department that supported it and pushed for legislation for compensation for Holocaust victims. And that work inspired me to commit to bring similar focus and energy to analogous cases of civil rights murder, including volunteering to help members of the Till family and their supporters draw attention to the history.​
In one example of the prosecutions of Nazis, America extracted a 95-year-old from his home and medevaced him to Germany for lying on his immigration form when he entered the U.S. There was no bureaucratic concern about statutes of limitations on perjury; there was no plea for compassion because of the reach of time, frailty or the possible pressure that these young people endured by Nazi commanders.​
I’m proud of this work. The Justice Department’s long-term effort to root out those who supported Germany’s state genocide is among America’s strongest examples of its defense of human and civil rights. And the principle behind it is not retribution but an aspect of declaring “never again”: the forward-looking value that teaches people that this evil, even when carried out by the foot soldiers, cannot be pardoned or explained away.​
Image: J.W. Milam,  left, his wife, second left, Roy Bryant, far right, and his wife, Carolyn Bryant, in a courtroom in Sumner, Miss. on  Sept. 23, 1955. Bryant and his half-brother Milam were charged with murder but acquitted in the kidnapping and torture slaying of 14-year-old black teen Emmett Till in 1955 after he allegedly whistled at Carolyn Bryant.
J.W. Milam, left; his wife, second left; Roy Bryant, far right; and his wife, Carolyn Bryant, in a courtroom in Sumner, Miss., on Sept. 23, 1955.AP​
We are not applying this same effort to punishing the white women who played a crucial role in sending Black men to their deaths, however. Donham set in motion the events that led to Till’s ghastly demise. Donham told the court that “this n----- man” had grabbed her hand at the cash register and said, “How about a date, baby?” She testified that she turned around and that Till then, from behind, put his left hand on her waist and his right arm on her hip and said, “What’s the matter baby, can’t you take it?” and uttered a vulgarity.​

But she later said that never happened. Till’s cousins, also teens and present at the time, said that at most he whistled at her, and even that is disputed by others at the scene. Her husband and brother-in-law were acquitted by the jury of their peers after just over an hour of deliberation. Donham did not even have to face that trifling consequence.​
Yet she is as responsible as her husband and kin who bludgeoned the boy to death. Our prisons are filled with Black men (and women) who participated in far less depraved crimes, but we do not have a culture that protects them. To find Donham guilty, though, would mean admitting a terrible flaw in our own culture.
After public pressure, in 2006 a local prosecutor in Leflore County, Mississippi, had a grand jury consider bringing manslaughter charges against her at the conclusion of an FBI investigation that had led nowhere. The grand jury found insufficient evidence, however, so there were no charges.​
After the author Tim Tyson revealed in his 2017 book “The Blood of Emmett Till” that Donham had recanted her testimony, Attorney General Jeff Sessions had the Justice Department reopen the matter to see whether there was any way the federal government could intervene. That, too, fizzled. And this week, again, it was the same story.​
To be clear, this is not a failure of will of the prosecutors. ***This is a cultural failure***.
In 2018 Sessions praised the work of the Justice Department’s best-known Nazi hunter, Eli Rosenbaum, and his team for successfully removing the 68th Nazi from the U.S. The passage of time did not deter the department from fulfilling its moral imperative of seeking justice for the victims of the Holocaust.​
Yet in 2022, in the case of Emmett Till, we hear the silence and our own nation’s complicity. In Western Europe, the mechanisms of the state, civil society and culture are conducting an inquiry into the past and its key perpetrators. In the U.S., we are not owning up to these chronic monstrosities nor holding enough among us accountable.
I'm new around here, so I have to ask: Why are extremely racist screeds by blacks in Zone 1? How are Zone 1 threads determined or disallowed? Is Zone 1 a black privilege?
 

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This poor woman has suffered enough by black people. First the assault, then the harrassment. Justice was served in this case long, long ago.
 

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This poor woman has suffered enough by black people. First the assault, then the harrassment. Justice was served in this case long, long ago.
The woman was assaulted by black people? I didn’t read about that.
 

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The woman was assaulted by black people? I didn’t read about that.
I did not say that. Perhaps you misread. A black person, Emmett Till, assaulted her. "People" refers to Till and those who have publicly slandered and harrassed her since the initial incident.
 
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Do you see anything where I have said that? I am pointing out 400 years of whites getting away with killing blacks in contrast to you guuys brining uo OJ all the time.
None of us have lived for 400 years so you can’t blame what was done in the past on people today. I think any murder is horrendous, you think it’s only bad if black people are killed. You make excuses about blacks killing whites today by referencing the past. The discussion isn’t about the past.
 

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Did You Know? Emmett Till's dad murdered a White woman and raped two other White women. Proves the old adage "Like father, like son," I guess.
 

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What did he do to deserve death?
According to peoples justice at the time, the ramifications of violating social order could be severe. In some situations, in some locations, death could be the penalty — as in Till's case. Times have changed. You can’t blame what was done in the past by today's standards.
 

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